RE: PH meets: Mike Cross

RE: PH meets: Mike Cross

Monday 7th January 2013

PH meets: Mike Cross

The science of flow, discussed with Jaguar's Mike Cross



If clichéd, over-simplified descriptions of 'soft' or 'sporty' handling by journalists annoy Jaguar's Mike Cross he's far too patient and/or polite to say. Even when invited. "I wouldn't want to criticise..." he says, gently. Feel free, I say. Hero status assured. But he's far too tactful. Sorry.

'Vehicle integrity' sounds like a serious job...
'Vehicle integrity' sounds like a serious job...
The invitation to spend some time with Mike followed a blog on flow last year. It got a great response but the one that stood out was from Mike, inviting me over for a drive some time to discuss the subject in more depth.

The 'I've been out with Mike Cross' story is a rite of passage for many a car hack, yours truly included. It usually involves breathless descriptions of heroic amounts of tyre smoke and oversteer, all delivered with trademark calmness and precison. But our drive today rarely sees us above 50mph and, bar one cheeky dab of oppo for the camera, is conducted at a languid and relaxed pace, the better to chat about how you actually engineer flow into a car.

Sideways glances
Mike's formal training as an engineer came at Coventry Poly and then a period as a student apprentice at Land Rover. The informal bit from the cars he owned at the time. He muses on a back catalogue that'd have any PHer green with envy. "I had an Escort Mexico, RS2000, Sunbeam Lotus, Chevette HS, a couple of Capris..." he muses. "You must have had a taste for-" I begin. "Oversteer?" he grins.

...but it obviously has its perks too!
...but it obviously has its perks too!
So, a background in sideways-friendly cars and mechanical engineering, which brings us to the role he's held since 2000 - Chief Engineer, Vehicle Integrity at Jaguar Land Rover. In short his role is to turn those wishy-washy adjectives into objective data.

Surely though, the days of seat of the pants chassis engineering are long gone? Mike disagrees. "Ultimately that's how customers judge their cars," he points out. "We look at what you guys write and we look at customer satisfaction data so we have those feedback loops." Gawd. So all that florid dab of oppo nonsense actually gets listened to?

And I spanked it
"I suppose we'd use words like immediate, connected, linear," replies Mike thoughtfully. "Probably pretty dull language really but initially it's a verbal statement of intent." Competitor comparisons and objective analysis - specific, repeatable test track exercises in other words - follow before a list of quantifiable benchmarks underpinned by the brand DNA. If the car meets these Mike's got something to work with. Which basically involves driving. Lots and lots of driving.

All-round ability needed for roads like this
All-round ability needed for roads like this
The classic British B-road remains at the heart of it too, which brings us back to flow. Mike's local shakedown roads have it all, often in the space of a couple of miles. Even in a 500hp-plus Jaguar XFR Speed Pack Mike has a very light touch, all finger tip steering, minimal inputs and classic, drama-free 'making progress'.

So how do you engineer flow into a car? "The immediacy of the steering is a really key communicator," he says, decisively. "Richard Parry-Jones said you could always make your mind up about a car in the first 50 metres and I think he was right about that."

Feelsome
Nice to know we're not the only ones obsessed with steering feel then. "Linearity of response, especially when you're going back and forth across centre like on this bit of road, is important," he says as we weave along one favourite snaking section of local back road.

Making a fast car fun to drive slowly is the challenge
Making a fast car fun to drive slowly is the challenge
And electric steering? "I actually think the electric steering in the new Range Rover feels better than the hydraulic system in the old car," he says decisively. In short there's more to it than how the assistance is delivered. "A surprising amount of steering feel, a larger amount than you might think, comes from the rear suspension," he says.

But how do you make a near-two tonne car with over 500hp and capable of nearly 200mph flow on a road where 50-60mph might be all you'd sensibly carry? "It's about how the car works with the road," he says. "It's perhaps easier with a lighter car but I like to think even with the XFR we've achieved that too. You need to be able to interact with a car at all speeds. If a car is only really capable when you're flat out it's unsatisfying."

Does 500hp-plus destroy flow?
Does 500hp-plus destroy flow?
Too much of a good thing
Going back to cars like the Sunbeam Lotus he reflects that, by the standards of the day, 150hp and 150lb ft made it a quick car. "It was twitchy though," he recalls. "Probably quite a lot slower ultimately but approaching the limit of a car is the satisfying bit and in some ways the level of that limit is irrelevant." Has he driven a GT86? No, but he'd like to.

And he's right, of course. Making fast cars fun to drive slowly too is a real art and why his brand of subjective analysis remains a vital skill. And one involving some unexpected new developments. "NVH is an interesting one," he says. "There's unwanted NVH but there's actually an increasing emphasis now on making a car sound good so there's a positive sound quality too." Going by the recent F-Type teaser vid something Jaguar has been working hard on. Engine noise through the speakers then, Mike? A polite smile from a man who spends a lot of time on PH and is aware of the collective view on such fakery.

Mike in the office he spends half his time in
Mike in the office he spends half his time in
One could spend all day discussing this stuff but we've already taken up half of Mike's, and he has to disappear back into the heart of the JLR machine. This flow thing might sound like an abstract notion but among the neverending tech onslaught new cars throw at us it's nice to know it matters to those building them, as well as those driving them.

 

 

 


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moribund

Original Poster:

4,031 posts

214 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Great article. Both Mike Cross and Richard Parry-Jones are heroes of the modern motor industry and deserve much wider recognition.

Shaw Tarse

31,543 posts

203 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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moribund said:
Great article. Both Mike Cross and Richard Parry-Jones are heroes of the modern motor industry and deserve much wider recognition.
Indeed they do.

TonyHetherington

32,091 posts

250 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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moribund said:
Great article.
yes

Eviltad

1,320 posts

179 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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I need to work harder to transfer from interior trim to vehicle integrity at JLR.

monthefish

20,441 posts

231 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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moribund said:
Great article. Both Mike Cross and Richard Parry-Jones are heroes of the modern motor industry and deserve much wider recognition.
yes

I'm priveledged enough to have worked with them both.

the article said:
the role he's held since 2000 - Chief Engineer, Vehicle Integrity at Jaguar Land Rover.
Interesting that, unlike many people in the 'executive' positions in large companies, he hasn't strived for any other roles/promotion, and has stayed in the same role for 12 years (I would take it that it is because he enjoys the job so much.)
I don't think there can be any doubt that the JLR product range has benefittted hugely as a result of this, and I hope the powers that be currently at the top of the JLR tree, realise and appreciate this.



Gorbyrev

1,160 posts

154 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Thanks Dan, comes across as a humble guy. He is responsible for some great cars - thanks Mike!

Chickentonight

49 posts

144 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Briliant article, and seeing those pics of tyre smoking jags put a fat smile on my face biggrin

coleclough

13 posts

189 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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That was a a beautiful piece of writing ..You got what he believes and you made it understandable.

I own one of his cars and it floats .It is much cleverer than I am and it just takes you into a different level than any thing else .

Well done

J

Shaw Tarse

31,543 posts

203 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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I love pic #4 !

SprintSpeciale

432 posts

145 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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I worry about the direction of this site. Harris blogs about a gearbox and 130 odd people comment. Dan talks to a legend about one of the key things that define a great car and fewer than 10 have anything to say. I have nothing against Chris, but whose insights really matter??

moribund

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4,031 posts

214 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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I wondered the same, but it's probably more to do with "Features & Roadtests" being something you have to scroll down the homepage to find?

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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SprintSpeciale said:
I worry about the direction of this site.
No need to - Chris posed a provocative question and people are enjoying discussing it, this told a story and doesn't necessarily inspire debate in the same way. Plenty of folk reading it though and, hopefully, enjoying it too. Totally different types of story and one of the great things about the site that we get to do both.

All good in my book!

Enjoy...

Oh, and while I'm here a hat tip to all the folk Mike works with too. It's a team effort of course.

Dan

W124

1,517 posts

138 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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"If a car is only really capable when you're flat out it's unsatisfying." - how right can you be? I must confess the XF left me cold, but the XJ? Amazing thing...

Dimski

2,099 posts

199 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Enjoyed reading that, thank you.

I found both my X350 XJR and XF to be brilliant, especially to drive. I'd love to be back in a Jag.

DJRC

23,563 posts

236 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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Legend.

Dear British motor industry (or whats left of it) can we have a car produced by Cross, Becker and Kershaw?

s m

23,219 posts

203 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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Dimski said:
Enjoyed reading that, thank you.
Me too

Hope you can do more articles like this

Krikkit

26,515 posts

181 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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SprintSpeciale said:
I worry about the direction of this site. Harris blogs about a gearbox and 130 odd people comment. Dan talks to a legend about one of the key things that define a great car and fewer than 10 have anything to say. I have nothing against Chris, but whose insights really matter??
Or is it just that the article is so complete there's little left to be said?

Fantastic cars, obviously developed by people who care and know their stuff, let's hope it stays that way. biggrin

FWDRacer

3,564 posts

224 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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SprintSpeciale said:
I worry about the direction of this site. Harris blogs about a gearbox and 130 odd people comment. Dan talks to a legend about one of the key things that define a great car and fewer than 10 have anything to say. I have nothing against Chris, but whose insights really matter??
I'll give you a clue. The sort of living dead that will tyre kick their way around Autosports this weekend are very big fans of Harris. The rest would rather listen to what Mike Cross has to say. Gentlemen... we are in the minority on PH now.

Welsh Road/Southam and a streaming wet journey in that Green XKR. Mike Cross <salutes>.

Mark Benson

7,509 posts

269 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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Dan Trent said:
Plenty of folk reading it though and, hopefully, enjoying it too. Totally different types of story and one of the great things about the site that we get to do both.
That's good then, this kind of story is why I keep coming back to PH after all these years.

It's also heartening to know there are still people in the industry that care how a far feels to the driver and know that there's a section of buyers who aren't blinded to a car's shortcomings by a nice interior.

DJRC

23,563 posts

236 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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FWDRacer said:
SprintSpeciale said:
I worry about the direction of this site. Harris blogs about a gearbox and 130 odd people comment. Dan talks to a legend about one of the key things that define a great car and fewer than 10 have anything to say. I have nothing against Chris, but whose insights really matter??
I'll give you a clue. The sort of living dead that will tyre kick their way around Autosports this weekend are very big fans of Harris. The rest would rather listen to what Mike Cross has to say. Gentlemen... we are in the minority on PH now.

Welsh Road/Southam and a streaming wet journey in that Green XKR. Mike Cross <salutes>.
Some lovely roads around Southam smile
Ive come across Mike and his crew in various JLR products around the area a few times over the yrs. You can usually spot the development cars as various bits n bobs are out of place to your eye and if you see into the interior they are randomly different, stripped out, ripped apart or stuffed with stuff. Sometimes you come across a Jag that looks normal but it going at a pace across country that is just...different. Its not hooning, but its progress is invariably very very swift and so utterly smooth. The smoothness always catches the eye. You can bet the house that such a time its Cross or one of his chaps. Quite uncanny, lovely to watch and all with a far defter hand than I can manage.