RE: Ringside Seat: silly season
Friday 11th January 2013
It’s the time of the year that we Nurburgring folk normally refer to as the silly season. But our silly season isn’t about record transfer fees and football teams. It’s about the new rules, the new prices and the new politicking over at the Nurburgring’s offices.
Rules apply to everyone, well, almost everyoneSack everybody, you’re all hired
Walking into the office of the Nurburgring, you’ll notice it’s now called Nurburgring Betriebsgesellschaft mbH. It was previously called Nurburgring Automotive GmbH and run by the notorious Lindner and Richter. Well, all the staff on the ground are the same faces as last year, but their bosses are now the state again. Interestingly, when Lindner and Richter took their golden handshake and vacated in the direction of Dusseldorf they also kept the rights to run the F1 GP...
New year, new rules - and a new crackdownYou! With the racecar! Get off our racetrack!
In a bid to confuse Nurburgring public session fans even further, the latest rules of the ‘ring were published to key forums in December. Amongst the normal sounding rules were some pretty draconian measures about roll cages, bucket seats and snap-off steering wheels being banned. Well, I’m pleased to say that behind the scenes these rules have been cleared up as follows:
Road legal race cars no longer welcomeIt sounds bad, but there’s already a bunch of banning reasons you won’t find written down anywhere, stuff like wings made of aluminium (except for Porsche 997 GT3 RS Mk2s), rotary-release harness clasps (except for those on Porsches) and any wings or canards that protrude beyond the width of the body (except for those on the Porsche GT3.RS 4.0). Obviously these rules are there to try and keep the race cars out of the public traffic, and there’s an official notice period on the enforcement of them until April 30 allegedly...
Ringside Seat: silly season
'New' owners, new rules and new uncertainties - happy new year from the Nurburgring!
So let me bring you up to speed with the happenings over Christmas...
Rules apply to everyone, well, almost everyone
Walking into the office of the Nurburgring, you’ll notice it’s now called Nurburgring Betriebsgesellschaft mbH. It was previously called Nurburgring Automotive GmbH and run by the notorious Lindner and Richter. Well, all the staff on the ground are the same faces as last year, but their bosses are now the state again. Interestingly, when Lindner and Richter took their golden handshake and vacated in the direction of Dusseldorf they also kept the rights to run the F1 GP...
The F1 GP is off. The F1 GP is back on... no, it’s off. Wait...
Maybe the continued presence of L&R explains why the F1 GP still hasn’t been confirmed at the Nurburgring for 2013. The whole schedule of trackdays, public days and VLN races is hanging in limbo right now as Bernie and the boys back and forth over the details. They’re aiming for the first week of July, but God only knows if they’ll actually make it work.
New year, new rules - and a new crackdown
In a bid to confuse Nurburgring public session fans even further, the latest rules of the ‘ring were published to key forums in December. Amongst the normal sounding rules were some pretty draconian measures about roll cages, bucket seats and snap-off steering wheels being banned. Well, I’m pleased to say that behind the scenes these rules have been cleared up as follows:
- Bucket seats with ‘ears’ (as the Germans delightfully refer to them) are not allowed. Those are the seats with wrap-around head restraints.
- The famous Hans device neck-restraint is also banned from public driving.
- Roll cages with doorbars that restrict access are banned.
- Roll cages must be padded. Not with proper FIA crash-absorbing materials. Nobody will check that. Just any old foam will do.
- Aftermarket snap-off steering wheels are also verboten.
Road legal race cars no longer welcome
250 euros drifting penalty
Yes, they’ve put it in writing at last. No drifting. And they’re even backing up all of these rules with a 250 euros fine that you’re supposed to have agreed to pay simply by reading the contract and driving the track. Much like we all read the End User License Agreement on every new piece of software we install or phone that we buy.
So with no opening times published, and no way to drive a ‘proper’ car on the track anymore, and a 250 euros fine if I go sideways, you’d think I’d be pretty angry right now. But I’m not. It’s the silly season. It’s supposed to be silly!
Discussion
Dale you are now buggered! No more drifting!
Thats my best memories of The Ring sat in your old MX5 drifting around the inside of skylines on most corners!
LOL
At least the place isnt closing down.
BRING ON 2013
SO looks like we will have to take the door bars out of the E30 track slag prior to bringing it over then.
What rules on the stripping of interiors and tearing the car apart / lightening of it?
Thats my best memories of The Ring sat in your old MX5 drifting around the inside of skylines on most corners!
LOL
At least the place isnt closing down.
BRING ON 2013
SO looks like we will have to take the door bars out of the E30 track slag prior to bringing it over then.
What rules on the stripping of interiors and tearing the car apart / lightening of it?
PascalBuyens said:
No drifting.
So if your car oversteers and you try to save it by powering out of it, you get a 250 fine...
That IS silly.
I think they have things like this in mind when they mean they ban drifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuptIrexfpgSo if your car oversteers and you try to save it by powering out of it, you get a 250 fine...
That IS silly.
Notice the ring taxi at 0:46
Krikkit said:
Lol. No winged buckets, no quick-release wheels, no door bars, no rotary-buckled harnesses. That's probably a large wodge of track cars out then!
It's not that bad:Winged buckets - bolt in a cheap out of date seat from Ebay
No quick release wheels - a standard momo/omp/sparco boss is a cheap and easy replacement
No rotary bucket harness - again raid ebay for a cheap out of date harness
It's the door bars that's the deal breaker as it rules out pretty much all weld-in cages. Bolt-in jobs should be ok as most have detachable door bars.
I'm more worried about the banning of HANS devices tbh. I'm doing my dissertation on them, and have dug up some unnerving info, like the fact your neck can snap in a 45mph impact!
You're basically better off with a 3 point belt and airbags than a full harness if you're not allowed a HANS!
You're basically better off with a 3 point belt and airbags than a full harness if you're not allowed a HANS!
chris_sw said:
PascalBuyens said:
No drifting.
So if your car oversteers and you try to save it by powering out of it, you get a 250 fine...
That IS silly.
I think they have things like this in mind when they mean they ban drifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuptIrexfpgSo if your car oversteers and you try to save it by powering out of it, you get a 250 fine...
That IS silly.
Notice the ring taxi at 0:46
EDIT: Totally off topic, but why does every car video have that s
tty Audi in the recommended section?I haven't too much interest in the actual lap offerings from the 'Ring before, but in light of these rules would it be reasonable to assume that they are just going to re-classify sessions? So there'll be less 'public' session (involving these rules and more or less standard cars), but more 'track' sessions where anything goes. Thereby splitting out the more, er, committed enthusiasts from the type that just fancies going round so they can justify their sticker?
Chrisw666 said:
Caractacus said:
Bugger.
That's my E28 banned from the public sessions, then.
Door bars!
Does this car have a thread of its own? If not why?That's my E28 banned from the public sessions, then.
Door bars!
I'll pop something up in Readers Cars this evening (I'd never thought anyone would be overly interested, tbh!)On the subject of door bars, I'm wondering if it comes down to who you'd get on the day and if they fell out of bed on the wrong side? If not, and it's just the higher bars, I can wipe the look of concern off my face! )
Cheers,
C.
ohtari said:
I'm more worried about the banning of HANS devices tbh. I'm doing my dissertation on them, and have dug up some unnerving info, like the fact your neck can snap in a 45mph impact!
You're basically better off with a 3 point belt and airbags than a full harness if you're not allowed a HANS!
I'm sure I'm not alone in perhaps hearing a slightly more expanded version of your findings You're basically better off with a 3 point belt and airbags than a full harness if you're not allowed a HANS!
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