Golf Mk5 rear tyre "saw-tooth" wear/noise
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Hi,
I'm sure this has been covered before, but last year I brought a stunning Mk5 Golf GT Tdi 140 on a 58 plate from a USELESS VW main dealer. Its only now done 14k miles but suffers from the well known issue of excess tyre noise caused by "saw tooth" wear to the inner edges of the rear tyres. Its driving me nuts. My questions are these - before it drives me up the wall and the car back through the showroom window......:-
1. Is there a tyre brand/model that is less prone to wearing this way?? and....
2. Apparently, according to VW, there are revised camber geometries for the rear of these cars that reduces the wear - does anyone have these figures?? - ideally the full set of geometry figures for the car front and rear so I can get the car set up correctly before I replace the tyres and knacker them too?? I've lost confidence in the main dealers here to do it properly and know a specialist company that will set it up accuratly, but neither of us can get the revised figures??
Thank you for your help!!
I'm sure this has been covered before, but last year I brought a stunning Mk5 Golf GT Tdi 140 on a 58 plate from a USELESS VW main dealer. Its only now done 14k miles but suffers from the well known issue of excess tyre noise caused by "saw tooth" wear to the inner edges of the rear tyres. Its driving me nuts. My questions are these - before it drives me up the wall and the car back through the showroom window......:-
1. Is there a tyre brand/model that is less prone to wearing this way?? and....
2. Apparently, according to VW, there are revised camber geometries for the rear of these cars that reduces the wear - does anyone have these figures?? - ideally the full set of geometry figures for the car front and rear so I can get the car set up correctly before I replace the tyres and knacker them too?? I've lost confidence in the main dealers here to do it properly and know a specialist company that will set it up accuratly, but neither of us can get the revised figures??
Thank you for your help!!
911ked said:
Hi,
I'm sure this has been covered before, but last year I brought a stunning Mk5 Golf GT Tdi 140 on a 58 plate from a USELESS VW main dealer. Its only now done 14k miles but suffers from the well known issue of excess tyre noise caused by "saw tooth" wear to the inner edges of the rear tyres. Its driving me nuts. My questions are these - before it drives me up the wall and the car back through the showroom window......:-
1. Is there a tyre brand/model that is less prone to wearing this way?? and....
2. Apparently, according to VW, there are revised camber geometries for the rear of these cars that reduces the wear - does anyone have these figures?? - ideally the full set of geometry figures for the car front and rear so I can get the car set up correctly before I replace the tyres and knacker them too?? I've lost confidence in the main dealers here to do it properly and know a specialist company that will set it up accuratly, but neither of us can get the revised figures??
Thank you for your help!!
Generally tyres with big open tread block patterns will be worse, next I'm moving from bridgestone to mitchelin for that reasonI'm sure this has been covered before, but last year I brought a stunning Mk5 Golf GT Tdi 140 on a 58 plate from a USELESS VW main dealer. Its only now done 14k miles but suffers from the well known issue of excess tyre noise caused by "saw tooth" wear to the inner edges of the rear tyres. Its driving me nuts. My questions are these - before it drives me up the wall and the car back through the showroom window......:-
1. Is there a tyre brand/model that is less prone to wearing this way?? and....
2. Apparently, according to VW, there are revised camber geometries for the rear of these cars that reduces the wear - does anyone have these figures?? - ideally the full set of geometry figures for the car front and rear so I can get the car set up correctly before I replace the tyres and knacker them too?? I've lost confidence in the main dealers here to do it properly and know a specialist company that will set it up accuratly, but neither of us can get the revised figures??
Thank you for your help!!
I discussed this with one of the chief technicians at Supertracker in Southamption, the day after I'd seen a horrifc example in the workshops of an independent VW Specialist. Caused by a combination of excessive (negative) rear camber, soft damping and exacerbated by long tread blocks on the tyres. Proper geo adjustment and/or firmer rear dampers should deal with it..
I think what people are missing is the crux of the OP. Does anyone have the revised settings? Not can the geometry be realigned.
I had very similar wear with my 530d. Turns out one of the wheels was a little out of factory settings so it was brought back in line, but I had considered going outside of those settigns after advice from someone else on a forum.
In the end, I wanted to keep it OEM as you never know what effect it might have on the stability of the car. And I'd rather trust BMW with their multi-million pound R&D budgets than some randon stranger on t'internet.
Is there not another VW dealer near you that you could use?
I had very similar wear with my 530d. Turns out one of the wheels was a little out of factory settings so it was brought back in line, but I had considered going outside of those settigns after advice from someone else on a forum.
In the end, I wanted to keep it OEM as you never know what effect it might have on the stability of the car. And I'd rather trust BMW with their multi-million pound R&D budgets than some randon stranger on t'internet.
Is there not another VW dealer near you that you could use?
I had the very same only two weeks ago. Took it to Peter Cooper Southampton who said simply "change the tyre". No "it's because of this or that" just change the tyre. This has kind of Pi**ed me off a little as they wanted somewhere in the region of £140 for the tyre.
So I took it to Micheldever tyres to get new tyre and alignment checked. The alignment figures came back slightly different from what they were, but enough to cause this ??
Time will tell
p.s the tyres are Goodyear Eagle F1.
So I took it to Micheldever tyres to get new tyre and alignment checked. The alignment figures came back slightly different from what they were, but enough to cause this ??
Time will tell
p.s the tyres are Goodyear Eagle F1.
jack frost 993 said:
I had the very same only two weeks ago. Took it to Peter Cooper Southampton who said simply "change the tyre". No "it's because of this or that" just change the tyre. This has kind of Pi**ed me off a little as they wanted somewhere in the region of £140 for the tyre.
So I took it to Micheldever tyres to get new tyre and alignment checked. The alignment figures came back slightly different from what they were, but enough to cause this ??
Time will tell
p.s the tyres are Goodyear Eagle F1.
What machine did they use to measure it?So I took it to Micheldever tyres to get new tyre and alignment checked. The alignment figures came back slightly different from what they were, but enough to cause this ??
Time will tell
p.s the tyres are Goodyear Eagle F1.
Hello there
I have a MK5 105 with fairly fat tyres. The noise from the rear sounded pretty horrific when I bought the car. At first I thought it could be a bearing, but the noise was there even in a straight line.
On the local motorway it sounded as if I had a buckled wheel!
The car was fitted with fairly cheap V-tread Nexen tyres, sawtooth was evident on the inside of the left rear tyre in particular.
After replacing with asymmetric michelins the problem has gone away and the car sounds a lot better. Apparently symmetrical/ v-cuts, especially cheaper brands are prone to this problem.
Now I just have to get the warm-start problem fixed....
I have a MK5 105 with fairly fat tyres. The noise from the rear sounded pretty horrific when I bought the car. At first I thought it could be a bearing, but the noise was there even in a straight line.
On the local motorway it sounded as if I had a buckled wheel!
The car was fitted with fairly cheap V-tread Nexen tyres, sawtooth was evident on the inside of the left rear tyre in particular.
After replacing with asymmetric michelins the problem has gone away and the car sounds a lot better. Apparently symmetrical/ v-cuts, especially cheaper brands are prone to this problem.
Now I just have to get the warm-start problem fixed....
Its caused by the way the rear suspension is set up on these cars and the way the tyre wears out through use - Passats are known for it too apparently - although our similar aged Passat doesn't do it at all!! Its basically uneven wear on the individual blocks of tread on the (rear) tyres on their inside edge. If you run your fingers over the tread on the inside of the tyre its fairly easy to feel the surface that contacts the road - it feels like the blocks literally have sharp edges on one side - visually if you take the wheel off and look at it from behind it looks like the profile of the teeth on a saw (for chopping up wood etc) albeit you have to look pretty close
Hi Guys i actually work for a Vw dealer, This is very common and i do ALOT if not all steering geometry's in our workshop. This is very common and personally i dont think its to do wit the camber, iv done many steering geo's on cars for have 'sawtooth' wear and every one has had the rear 'toe' out. I Think this is wear it scrubs the inside edges and because of the tyre compounds it causes the sawtooth wear. Iv seen it on scirroco's. CC's, Passat, and golf models. The harder compound tyres dont seem to do it as much because they dont heat up as much and therefore the 'scrubbing' doesnt have so much effect.
WHY CAN'T THE BIG MOTOR COMPANIES RECOGNISE THIS FAULT AN TELL THEIR DEALERS HOW TO FIX IT
I have had some problem with 06 plate Seat Leon tdi.
Bought second hand Jan 2010 from main Seat dealer in Southampton fitted with cheap tyres. I don't drive the car often , but after about a year I realised there was LOADS of road noise, like a wheel bearing problem.
MY local friendly garage took a look and straight away spotted both rear tyres had horrible "saw tooth" type wear, which they said was causing the noise.
Took the car to Holders, Seat dealer, in Congresbury, N Somerset. Their technician identified the problem as soon as I described it and took one look at the car to confirm.. it's the rear wheel tracking/camber out of alignment and causing drastically uneven wear. They partly blamed the cheap tyres.
They supposedly put it right and put on two new more expensive tyres.
5k miles later ...same problem. Holders were not sympathetic to the idea that they had failed to fix the original problem.
I contacted Seat customer relations . They weer good at getting in touch and asked me to take the car to a Seat Dealer to be checked. I took it to Blade Seat In Bristol.
They said the camber/alignment needed adjusting.
They did this and charged me for more new tyres. They said you had to have the right make of tyre fitted (even tho they had been fitted by Seat at Holders).
They fitted Uniroyals and said that's what they recommend.
NOW just over a year on, the noise and the bad wear is back... in fact the car failed its MoT because the wear was so bad. And we're fitting ANOTHER paid of tyres.
It seems crazy and expensive on a front wheel drive car to have to keep changing the rear tyres.
ALSO the car itself is superb... brilliant fuel economy, punchy 140bhp TDi and great DSG auto box... ruined by nasty tyre wear road noise.
I have had some problem with 06 plate Seat Leon tdi.
Bought second hand Jan 2010 from main Seat dealer in Southampton fitted with cheap tyres. I don't drive the car often , but after about a year I realised there was LOADS of road noise, like a wheel bearing problem.
MY local friendly garage took a look and straight away spotted both rear tyres had horrible "saw tooth" type wear, which they said was causing the noise.
Took the car to Holders, Seat dealer, in Congresbury, N Somerset. Their technician identified the problem as soon as I described it and took one look at the car to confirm.. it's the rear wheel tracking/camber out of alignment and causing drastically uneven wear. They partly blamed the cheap tyres.
They supposedly put it right and put on two new more expensive tyres.
5k miles later ...same problem. Holders were not sympathetic to the idea that they had failed to fix the original problem.
I contacted Seat customer relations . They weer good at getting in touch and asked me to take the car to a Seat Dealer to be checked. I took it to Blade Seat In Bristol.
They said the camber/alignment needed adjusting.
They did this and charged me for more new tyres. They said you had to have the right make of tyre fitted (even tho they had been fitted by Seat at Holders).
They fitted Uniroyals and said that's what they recommend.
NOW just over a year on, the noise and the bad wear is back... in fact the car failed its MoT because the wear was so bad. And we're fitting ANOTHER paid of tyres.
It seems crazy and expensive on a front wheel drive car to have to keep changing the rear tyres.
ALSO the car itself is superb... brilliant fuel economy, punchy 140bhp TDi and great DSG auto box... ruined by nasty tyre wear road noise.
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