Golf Mk5 rear tyre "saw-tooth" wear/noise

Golf Mk5 rear tyre "saw-tooth" wear/noise

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va1o

16,032 posts

208 months

Tuesday 10th September 2013
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I had mine balanced and aligned the other day at a tyre place. They did a geometry check and it was out by a fair margin. The difference is like night and day, on the motorway its now seriously relaxed and quiet with no steering wheel vibrations. Makes it far too easy to end up doing silly speeds! I'm hoping it will also cure the uneven wear.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

250 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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The noise on my golf is horrendous. Do you have to change the geo from the manufacturer's setting?

si_xsi

1,193 posts

196 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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anonymous said:
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What was this and is there any way of telling if it has been fixed or not?


JollyGrnMonster

887 posts

198 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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you wont fix it.. its a vag thing, certain models worse than others, can see it occurring even on my audi a4 quattro..

you need to rotate the tyres.. or live with the noise

cuprabob

14,657 posts

215 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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si_xsi said:
What was this and is there any way of telling if it has been fixed or not?
The.symptom is the ESP light does not go out when you start the car and stays on. The ESP On/Off button has no affect.

Fault is G201 sensor within the Teves60 ABS Pump.

Originally VW replaced the complete pump but now have a repair kit.






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Edited by cuprabob on Sunday 5th January 21:57

si_xsi

1,193 posts

196 months

Sunday 5th January 2014
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great thanks

jack frost 993

39 posts

165 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Just an update on this. Had Alignment done just over a year ago when I had new tyres fitted - and now I still have the same problem. I have recently been to someone else to have it redone but their limits were different to those the previous place had used!

Does anyone know where I can find the proper VW suspension specifications ?

Silver940

3,961 posts

228 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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My Mk4 Golf used to do this, found the Falken FK452's lasted much longer than F1's. The F1's went downhill when they started making them in China, the German ones lasted better. Micheldever tyres said they see it on lots of smaller vehicles fitted with bigger wheels, Alfa's apparently bad for it.

You can stretch the wear out by swapping the tyres on the back before it gets too bad but I doubt you'll get rid. Micheldever one of the best places I've used for Geo setup.

jack frost 993

39 posts

165 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Silver940 said:
My Mk4 Golf used to do this, found the Falken FK452's lasted much longer than F1's. The F1's went downhill when they started making them in China, the German ones lasted better. Micheldever tyres said they see it on lots of smaller vehicles fitted with bigger wheels, Alfa's apparently bad for it.

You can stretch the wear out by swapping the tyres on the back before it gets too bad but I doubt you'll get rid. Micheldever one of the best places I've used for Geo setup.
It was Micheldever Tyres that did the alignment last year and didn't fix the problem. I have hunted high and low on tinternet for absolute figures but cannot find anything. I can understand tyres wearing out quicker if production is moved to another plant and the compound is changed. I cannot understand why one brand of car would be more prone to this "saw tooth" effect than another - surely the alignment/geo is to remove any errors in the wheel running true?

Glosphil

4,360 posts

235 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Get the alignment checked, and if necessary adjusted, on a Hunter rig. Provides a print out of initial settings and most places charge for each change required. Cost me 45 to have my Octavia vRS sorted and it made a considerable difference to noise from rear. Tyres are Conti 2s.

Silver940

3,961 posts

228 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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jack frost 993 said:
It was Micheldever Tyres that did the alignment last year and didn't fix the problem. I have hunted high and low on tinternet for absolute figures but cannot find anything. I can understand tyres wearing out quicker if production is moved to another plant and the compound is changed. I cannot understand why one brand of car would be more prone to this "saw tooth" effect than another - surely the alignment/geo is to remove any errors in the wheel running true?
Point is you won't fix it, the falkens lasted pretty well, drive as well as f1's and are cheap. About the best fix I found.

Solved it now, bought a BMW

MX51ROD

2,749 posts

148 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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It took a VOSA intervention to make VW admit there was an injector problem on the early B5 (2005/6)Passats and in fact all VAG vehicles fitted with the PD engine with Siemens injectors, leading to a recall for the injectors to be changed , our 2006 Passat had saw tooth wear on rear tyres leading me to first think rear wheel bearings had failed , VW never did sort it , my Sons Mk4 R32 also suffers .
What will it take to make VW own up to this problem , perhaps a class action legal challenge

Edited by MX51ROD on Saturday 24th May 18:20

sleep envy

62,260 posts

250 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Yearly tracking checks, hardly the end of the world and not bad practice if you want a car that handles well.

Hubris

156 posts

138 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Tracking does only the front wheels. You need 4 wheel alignment doing on a hunter machine.

Avoid the cheap tyre fitting places, as they don't know/can't be bothered to take the time to set them up correctly. Toe, camber, castor, thrust angle all need setting, which takes more time than your average tyre fitter can be arsed with.

Get it done somewhere reputable and your problems will disappear.

catso

14,788 posts

268 months

Sunday 25th May 2014
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Hubris said:
Get it done somewhere reputable and your problems will disappear.
Indeed, my A3 chewed the inside edge of the tyres from new - after 6 months they were knackered, yet still had loads of tread on the rest of the tyre. Audi 'goodwilled' an alignment (but wouldn't contribute to new tyres).

Now I get the alignment checked whenever I fit new tyres and have had no more problems, except after I ran over a Badger and didn't think to get the alignment checked for a few months, resulting in front tyres wearing excessively on the inside edge.

It seems these cars are very sensitive to the wheel alignment.

TypeRTom

504 posts

158 months

Friday 30th May 2014
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I have a 2002 Octavia VRS. When I bought the car it had Goodyear Optigrip tyres on the back which had saw toothed wear and sounded like the rear wheel bearings were knackered. I had the alignment checked and it was fine. I've since run Hankook S1 Evos, Hankook Ventus Prime 2 and Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 tyres on the back with no problems, though I now rotate them front to rear occasionally.

It's not possible to adjust the alignment on the rear of my car unless you go taking it to bits and adding spacers/washers.

Glosphil

4,360 posts

235 months

Friday 30th May 2014
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TypeRTom said:
I have a 2002 Octavia VRS. When I bought the car it had Goodyear Optigrip tyres on the back which had saw toothed wear and sounded like the rear wheel bearings were knackered. I had the alignment checked and it was fine. I've since run Hankook S1 Evos, Hankook Ventus Prime 2 and Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 tyres on the back with no problems, though I now rotate them front to rear occasionally.

It's not possible to adjust the alignment on the rear of my car unless you go taking it to bits and adding spacers/washers.
Are you sure about that? I thought the suspension bolts in the rear centre member had bolts incorporating an elliptical section to allow adjustment. I have a photo somewhere but can't find it at the moment.

rich83

14,241 posts

139 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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jack frost 993 said:
Just an update on this. Had Alignment done just over a year ago when I had new tyres fitted - and now I still have the same problem. I have recently been to someone else to have it redone but their limits were different to those the previous place had used!

Does anyone know where I can find the proper VW suspension specifications ?
Rear.
-1,45 camber
0,05 toe

Front
0,05 toe

JollyGrnMonster

887 posts

198 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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You won't fix it. Just rotate the tyres more often.

JollyGrnMonster

887 posts

198 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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You won't fix it. Just rotate the tyres more often.