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ibroker
Original Poster
359 posts
127 months
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JUst strarting to restore a 1987 350i
The engine is fairly tatty and I am considering replacing it with a small block chevy 5.7 350bhp. For the cost of the new unit against a refurb of the old Rover and detailing it makes sense to go for the Chevy.
Thoughts?
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pwd95
7,066 posts
107 months
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Chilliman
3,408 posts
30 months
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ibroker said: JUst strarting to restore a 1987 350i
The engine is fairly tatty and I am considering replacing it with a small block chevy 5.7 350bhp. For the cost of the new unit against a refurb of the old Rover and detailing it makes sense to go for the Chevy.
Thoughts? My thoughts are that once again we see the pure logic and beauty of our bestest friend Man Maths. Has to be done i'd say 
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330p4
422 posts
99 months
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I would go with the LS motor rather than the old iron blocks due to weight Ian
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ibroker
Original Poster
359 posts
127 months
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The LS? do you have any idea on cost. The chevy is £2500
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pwd95
7,066 posts
107 months
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Really not worth the hasstle of converting for a cheap old iron block 5.7 IMHO. It'll cost you a fortune to get everything converted properly & the car will be almost undrivable. The weight distribution isn't great with the light RV8!!!!! You'd be better with a decent 2nd hand good RV8 bottom end & slapping a supercharger on it. Been done a few times. 
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TA14
7,891 posts
127 months
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ibroker said: The LS? do you have any idea on cost. The chevy is £2500 LS is a Chevvy. Have a chat with Thorpy for the conversion.
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nawarne
1,655 posts
129 months
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TA14 said: ibroker said: The LS? do you have any idea on cost. The chevy is £2500 LS is a Chevvy. Have a chat with Thorpy for the conversion. Chap with a Cerb got a 2nd hand LS1 or 2 from the US a few years ago for £3300. Came complete with engine loom and 6 speed gearbox. Price above included hire of van to pick up from Felixstowe customs IIRC. Nick
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bionicjim
233 posts
8 months
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I'm not up on the rv8 much But you could try some of those super flowing heads from the states They recon they will push 400bhp and they are lighter than the standard heads But with HUGE valves
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ibroker
Original Poster
359 posts
127 months
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pwd95 said: Really not worth the hasstle of converting for a cheap old iron block 5.7 IMHO. It'll cost you a fortune to get everything converted properly & the car will be almost undrivable. The weight distribution isn't great with the light RV8!!!!! You'd be better with a decent 2nd hand good RV8 bottom end & slapping a supercharger on it. Been done a few times.  Thats why i love thses forums. Ok so I will put my hands up and say I am not good with the spanners and as such sometimes what I want is not practicle as stated above. I presume the RV8 as mentioned refers to the original engine? On the assumption that it would cost a fortune to repalce all the other bits to match the chevy, surely I can gey the RV8 tuned? Its a big lump and must be capable of more than 190hp. Where or who would do that?
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bionicjim
233 posts
8 months
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You could try Chris at Devon racing By all accounts he can work wonders with the RV8 01404891175 01722323423 I'm sure I saw a 4.8 RV8 last time I was there you've got nothing to lose by asking
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Chilliman
3,408 posts
30 months
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ibroker said: pwd95 said: Really not worth the hasstle of converting for a cheap old iron block 5.7 IMHO. It'll cost you a fortune to get everything converted properly & the car will be almost undrivable. The weight distribution isn't great with the light RV8!!!!! You'd be better with a decent 2nd hand good RV8 bottom end & slapping a supercharger on it. Been done a few times.  Thats why i love thses forums. Ok so I will put my hands up and say I am not good with the spanners and as such sometimes what I want is not practicle as stated above. I presume the RV8 as mentioned refers to the original engine? On the assumption that it would cost a fortune to repalce all the other bits to match the chevy, surely I can gey the RV8 tuned? Its a big lump and must be capable of more than 190hp. Where or who would do that? It really is very simple to up the capacity! I looked into this when I had my BGT V8, basically all the anicilliaries and the heads will fit, for example, a 3.9 block. I believe the 4.6 heads flow better than the 3.9/4.0 heads. Typically all these parts can be had cheap off fleabay, and the bigger capacity short engine will bolt straight onto your existing bellhousing. you'd need to be wary over certain components though as not ALL bits are compatible.. Advice from a good RV8 builder would be advisable, PM me if you need pointing in the right direction... Chilli 
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B-Reight
383 posts
71 months
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pwd95 said: Really not worth the hasstle of converting for a cheap old iron block 5.7 IMHO. It'll cost you a fortune to get everything converted properly & the car will be almost undrivable. The weight distribution isn't great with the light RV8!!!!! You'd be better with a decent 2nd hand good RV8 bottom end & slapping a supercharger on it. Been done a few times.  Good point with the weight distribution, i had mine measured and it came out at 1120kgs total with 55:45 F:R weight distribution, i expect handling would be bloody awful with all the weight of an iron block and iron heads!
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B-Reight
383 posts
71 months
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ibroker said: On the assumption that it would cost a fortune to repalce all the other bits to match the chevy, surely I can gey the RV8 tuned? Its a big lump and must be capable of more than 190hp. Where or who would do that? How much power are you actually after? The ballpark figures for maximum achievable power outputs on a sensible budget and maintaining road driveability from a Rover V8 are roughly; 3.5 litre - 220-230bhp 3.9/4.0 litre - 270bhp 5.0 litre - ??? help me out here guys A chap on the v8forum got 230bhp out of a 3.9 with just a cam swap, i've got 250bhp out of the same capacity with a kent h214 & flowbench developed heads (on small/standard valves tho'). If you're after much more than 350bhp, forced induction is probably the best option.
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KelWedge
847 posts
54 months
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A couple of places to get some info Rover parts international on www.v8engines.com or v8 developments on www.v8developments.co.ukI considered the chev engine for a day or two and didn't go that way. Still cost lots £ but you have to, don't you. 
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ibroker
Original Poster
359 posts
127 months
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Forced induction meaning a supercharger? Like that idea
I would like to achive 300-350 bhp, am I aiming to high retaing the original 3.5?. That said I dont want to compromise the handling of the car by changing the weight distribution.
Changing the direction slightly. Ther car heads over to Cambridge tomorrow for work to start getting it running, are there any "Must Do" jobs that I need to get done in the restoration. I dont want to get to a TVR gathering and someone say, "I assume you upgraded this" you know missing the obvious?
Cheers Andy
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Chilliman
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30 months
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ibroker said: am I aiming to high retaing the original 3.5?. Cheers Andy Yes. There's also the question of the strength of the standard bottom end on the earlier 3.5 (IMO) This site will give you an idea of what you can expect in terms of capacity/BHP http://www.sc-power.co.uk/pages/sc-power-superchar...Chilli
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B-Reight
383 posts
71 months
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ibroker said: Forced induction meaning a supercharger? Like that idea
I would like to achive 300-350 bhp, am I aiming to high retaing the original 3.5?. That said I dont want to compromise the handling of the car by changing the weight distribution.
Changing the direction slightly. Ther car heads over to Cambridge tomorrow for work to start getting it running, are there any "Must Do" jobs that I need to get done in the restoration. I dont want to get to a TVR gathering and someone say, "I assume you upgraded this" you know missing the obvious?
Cheers Andy IIRC the lt77 gearbox is only rated for 280lb-ft of torque, a supercharged engine of 300-350bhp would no doubt have 300+ lb-ft of torque. The wedge also has a rear suspension setup where the driveshaft acts as the top wishbone, and the UJ's take a hammering as standard. You'd be wise asking the same question in the wedge forum. Someone has a supercharged 3.5 on there.
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TA14
7,891 posts
127 months
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B-Reight said: IIRC the lt77 gearbox is only rated for 280lb-ft of torque, a supercharged engine of 300-350bhp would no doubt have 300+ lb-ft of torque. There would be a great many problems with this project but the gearbox is not likely to be one of them. Steve H for example never had any trouble with that amount of torque. In short I don't think that this is the right car to do this conversion on.
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TA14
7,891 posts
127 months
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ibroker said: I would like to achive 300-350 bhp, am I aiming to high retaing the original 3.5?. That said I dont want to compromise the handling of the car by changing the weight distribution. Why is this not in the wedge section? Realistically I think either fit a tuned 4.6 RV8 at say 260bhp or do the work on another car, maybe a 420SE. I think that 260 is pushing it for a 350i, you'd want everything to be in tip top condition and maybe fit better front brakes. For 350bhp I'd think that you be looking at nearer £15K for perhaps a tuned 5.0 RV8, stiffer springs, matching shocks, uprated suspension arms, rose jointing, half shafts, UJs, wheels, tyres, modified bodywork, brakes, etc.
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