RE: Driven: SEAT Ibiza Cupra

RE: Driven: SEAT Ibiza Cupra

Tuesday 29th January 2013

2013 SEAT Ibiza Cupra | PH Review

SEAT has facelifted its hottest Ibiza - but will that give people enough reason to want to buy it?


Around a decade ago, SEAT's was one of the most extrovert hot hatch ranges around. Finished in eye-watering shades of lemon yellow, lime green or... er... orange orange, they left you in no doubt of what SEAT stood for: loud, proud Latin exuberance.

The product usually didn't disappoint, either. From the Ibiza GTI, which offered the chunky build of a Polo in an altogether more exciting package, to the Leon Cupra R, which was managed to be everything the Mk4 Golf GTI should have been, SEAT earned itself a reputation for producing good value, well built and genuinely exciting hot hatches with a bit of Mediterranean flair.

But today, Skoda's vRS range has encroached on SEAT's old stomping ground. It's there that many people are turning these days if they want a fast VW without the associated price. The new Octavia vRS looks like being better value than the upcoming Leon Cupra, much the same car under the skin. Meanwhile, the Fabia vRS is just as quick as the Ibiza Cupra, and costs a grand less. It even comes in yellow these days.

Up the creek
So where does that leave the Ibiza? Up the creek without a paddle, it would seem. Indeed, the latest iteration of the Cupra has struggled to capture the British public’s imagination in the way previous generations have. So, with the aid of a mid-life facelift, can it still make a case for itself?

On styling alone, the answer is ‘yes’. The tweaked front and rear bumpers with cleaner, sharper lines, new HID headlamps, and new 17” wheels result in a punchy-looking little car that feels more at ease with its slightly offbeat creases and chunky shoulders. A classic beauty it still ain’t – but it’s undoubtedly sporty and, refreshingly, looks more like a proper hatch than some of the current, mini-MPV-ish crop.

The engine and gearbox remain largely unchanged, so you’ll still get a 1.4-litre twin-charged unit with 180hp and a seven-speed DSG for your cash. And it’s here that things start to get tricky for the Cupra, as that gearbox has its flaws. It struggles to respond quickly enough under harder driving conditions, and even in manual mode it’ll change gear for you when you reach the red line. But worst of all, our test car consistently failed to downshift when we asked it to, leaving us both having to brake harder to counter the lack of expected engine braking into a corner, as well as in too high a gear for the exit. Bung it in auto mode, and it’s smooth and capable, but in manual mode, when you really want it to be involving, it can fall short.

Heart of the matter
Fortunately, the engine goes some way towards making up for the gearbox’s pitfalls, providing a solid wall of torque no matter where you are in the rev range – ideal if the downshift hasn’t happened and you do find yourself leaving the corner with 2,000rpm on the clock. 0-62 comes up in 6.9sec, and the Cupra maxes out at 142mph. It makes a great noise, too, with a hint of supercharger whine audible through a warbly, induction-heavy engine note. It might just be the best part of the car.

The chassis, too, is excellent. Tweaks to the rear suspension have resulted in a mature, sure-footed feeling that’s instantly engaging, and leaves you happy to throw the little Ibiza around. The XDS electronic diff system works well, providing plenty of front end grip, even if you hoof the throttle out of a sharp corner. The ESP can be a touch heavy-handed, though, and even with it ‘off’, still cuts in to prevent any sort of tail-out behaviour or throttle adjustability. Which is a shame, as beneath it all the chassis feels like it wants to entertain, with a sharp turn-in and plenty of feel - but before it can show you what it’s truly capable of, the electro-nanny pops in to spoil the fun.

The steering, though, could be better – it's a touch on the light side, and while it provides just about enough feel to keep the Cupra involving, it does have a mushy quality that’s slightly offputting at first. Bear with it, and you get used to it, but it still doesn’t offer the same level of feedback as, say, a Ford or Renault hot hatch. 'Mushy' is a term that could be applied to the brake pedal feel, too; while a hefty stomp will stop the car, the squidginess on the way there isn't exactly confidence-inspiring.

Interference fit
It's not a bad car, this. Those who want some pace and some style, but aren’t really hardcore edge of the, er, SEAT driving enthusiasts, will find it perfectly adequate. It’s a very pleasant place to be, with great ride quality, a high-quality, tactile interior, and plenty of toys. What it isn’t, however, is the next great driver’s hot hatch. But the pity of it all is that beneath the layers of electronics, the Ibiza feels as though it has the makings of an excellent driver’s car.

So, SEAT, what better way to show us some of that Latin tempestuousness than by ditching the acronyms and selling us a limited-run, cut-price, Cup-style version that’s pared to the bone? Do that, and we suspect the Ibiza would suddenly find itself with a compelling raison d'etre. Until then, though, as pleasant as it is, it’s hard to find a reason to choose the SEAT over the Skoda or VW equivalents when the former is cheaper, the latter will hold its value better, and both offer a very similar driving experience.


SPECIFICATION | SEAT IBIZA CUPRA

Engine: 1,390cc 4-cyl, direct injection
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch auto, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 180@6,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 184@2,000rpm
0-62mph: 6.9sec
Top speed: 142mph
Weight: 1,259kg
MPG: 47.9mpg (combined)
CO2: 139g/km
Price: £18,570

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Discussion

Andy ap

Original Poster:

1,147 posts

172 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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So theyve improved the ride quality then.....about time. I think these look great although the original 6j version is still my favorite. Owning the previous 6l cupra means i hope theyve ironed out its foibles but it seems like theyve made some others worse. I think the 6l's esp even in 'off' mode is very subtle and flattering. although you do still know its there. And my cars chassis got criticized for not being complete but i think the sus is more the failing. now it seems its gone the other way.

dukebox9reg

1,570 posts

148 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Its a common theme with SEAT, for every face lift they soften the suspension. The facelift Leon is sooo much nicer to drive than the pre-FL.

It's a shame that the Ibiza doesn't distance itself a bit more against the Polo and Fabia in the same way SEAT does with the Leon by offering a little bit more power than their cousins. Would be the only way that it could really battle the Skoda's price advantage and VW's perceived build quality.

Baryonyx

17,995 posts

159 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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SEAT have lost the character they had ten years ago. Look at the now, they look like bland Audi/Skoda-ish offerings. Inevitable, but a shame when they used to make this:



CedricN

820 posts

145 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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I stood with the choice of chosing this or the skoda as a company leasing car. AFter driving both the choice was easy, the skoda just felt grey and boring inside and out (price difference were very small /month, dont need the high hat room you got in the skoda). The Seat always looks like a really nice car every time you leave it in the parking lot and take a look bakc over your shouldersmile

Anyways its a absolutely brilliant car as a daily driver. The DSG is a dream in heavy traffic and around town, but it really is also the part that takes away some fun on twisty roads (not many tours per year though frown ). But yours seems strange, it never fails to downshifts, if your not forcing it to 10k rpm, although it will upshift by itself, and thats annoying when you drive on a track. Agree with the engine, all small cars feel slow when i switch car, low rev supercharger should be mandatory by EU law on small engine, aboslutely brilliant to just fly away from 1500rpms, very useful around town smile


I hope though that they have fixed the oil consupmption, my is at 2 stroke levels and VW thinks its fine ( Filling up 12 liters between services could otherwise seems to much outside the VAG world). Im glad its not my private car.

va1o

16,030 posts

207 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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I like it but it looks a bit expensive compared to say the new Fiesta ST, which will handle a lot better. I think the Polo BlueGT is a better all round car if you want a quick-ish VAG supermini.

Mastodon2

13,825 posts

165 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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I remember when Seat's hot hatches used to look good.

tyranical

927 posts

190 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Key issues not mentioned here are the engine which is an absolute bag of st.

Go over to ibizacupra.net and try and find one person not complaining about a coked up engine or oil consumption that is absolutely insane (1l/500 miles isn't uncommon!)

va1o

16,030 posts

207 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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tyranical said:
Key issues not mentioned here are the engine which is an absolute bag of st.

Go over to ibizacupra.net and try and find one person not complaining about a coked up engine or oil consumption that is absolutely insane (1l/500 miles isn't uncommon!)
In defence to SEAT, although that was admitedly a problem with the first Mk5 Cupras they have since revised the engine and people with newer cars don't seem to be having the oil problems. No reports from the A1 185 either which is just a mildly revised version.

r1ch

2,871 posts

196 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Same stats as the Fiesta ST then. Looks good, never really been a fan of SEAT though. I don't see them as drivers cars, but i know a lot of people like them.

Ecosseven

1,978 posts

217 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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For me it's the gearbox that ruins the car. It is had a 6 speed manual I would certainly consider it as a daily driver. I actually really like the 143 bhp 2.0 diesel version (which has a 6 speed manual) - it's like a modern version of the original Fabia VRS.


ambuletz

10,723 posts

181 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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Aren't the DSG gearboxes supports to be rather problematic? Didn't someone on here report that they got pathetic MPG out of the TSI engine? Those are the only 2 things that really concern me.

BFG TERRANO

2,172 posts

148 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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My 2011 Ibiza sport has been a nightmare. I only hope the build quality and reliability are much improved. The build quality is not up to our poor roads so its literally shaken itself to bits in 30k and 18 months. Think long and hard before handing over 18 grand for one of these.

BFG TERRANO

2,172 posts

148 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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My 2011 Ibiza sport has been a nightmare. I only hope the build quality and reliability are much improved. The build quality is not up to our poor roads so its literally shaken itself to bits in 30k and 18 months. Think long and hard before handing over 18 grand for one of these.

Hub

6,430 posts

198 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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They withdrew it from sale for a while, I thought perhaps because sales were poor. So this is the relaunch, but I don't really see much has changed. They are quick but not that character-full. I'd have the new Fiesta ST over the Ibiza.

daydotz

1,741 posts

161 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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The a1 also suffers the same problems I very much doubt the new Cupra will fair any different

chris8291

17 posts

135 months

Tuesday 29th January 2013
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The main thing the pre face lift cupra had was the looks, with the agressive front completly gone. Can't really see a boc version with that will just look wrong. Gloss black grills and the factory skirts and spoiler really gave the old car some presence. Bar the rear diffuser it just looks like a standard ibiza.

Tim16V

419 posts

182 months

Wednesday 30th January 2013
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The best daily driver car I've ever owned was a '99 Ibiza GTI - it never put a foot wrong or cost anything over routine servicing. Those were the days when it was 'Mediterranean flair with German engineering'.

Seat have lost their way recently though. The range is a real mish mash of old, old as new (Exeo) newish and very new and nearly all bland. That dull new Toledo is going to be eaten alive by the new good looking Skoda Rapid and I expect they're going to feel the heat from the Koreans too.

There's no aspirational image or message - family(?) - sort of. Sporting (?) - not with that cheap and dull Toledo being the current mainstay. Budget motoring (?) - I'll have something from the VW or Skoda range that costs the same per month on a finance deal.

I can't really see the point of them any more - shame really.

zabba

2,126 posts

215 months

Wednesday 30th January 2013
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The Ibiza needs a unique selling point over it's VAG stable mates, why not have the 2.0CR 170bhp engine in a diesel Cupra version, they already have the 140 in FR spec, so surely this would be easy to do.

va1o

16,030 posts

207 months

Wednesday 30th January 2013
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zabba said:
The Ibiza needs a unique selling point over it's VAG stable mates, why not have the 2.0CR 170bhp engine in a diesel Cupra version, they already have the 140 in FR spec, so surely this would be easy to do.
The looks are its biggest asset, its arguably the best styled of the quartet although the interior lets it down a little. They also offer the TSI in 150PS form which none of the other gets. The 143 diesel hasn't been particularly successful, the general consensus is that engine is too big and heavy for the chassis so I don't think the 170 would help.

C.A.R.

3,967 posts

188 months

Wednesday 30th January 2013
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It looks hideous, compared to it's predecessor anyway. The swage lines up the sides don't look good - from some angles it looks like the car has already been in an accident.

If it wasn't ugly enough you see some of them on the roads with a bit of their front bumper painted black.

Why? It now looks like a really sh*t badger.