997 Turbo Gen I Vs. Gen II Significantly better? Faster?

[pdj81]

Hi All,

Would massively appreciate any experiences from members who have driven / owned both generations of 997 turbo as to the major differences in real life driving between the two? I'm aware of the mechanical, materials & output differences but if you we're in the market for one and had the budget etc, which would you plump for and why ?

Having not had a 911 In my life for a few years (previously 996 c2 then 997 c4s Gen II) I've spent the last year in an e92 M3 which is now sold and very seriously looking to get into a Turbo. Worth mentioning I am primarily focusing on Tip or PDK cars and if really worth the difference then a Turbo S is possibly within reach.

Are there any owners out there that can candidly say the difference in straight line shove is significantly different between the models (gen I vs gen II vs gen II ) ?

Also is their a noticeable difference In exhaust noise for the better ?

Appreciate the help !

[Callughan]

Gen 2 PDK eats Gen 1 Tip in everyway. Performance, handling even sound.

[mrdemon]

I would buy a manual gen 1 turbo or a PDK gen 2

Tiptronic gen 1 , no thanks.

[Koln-RS]

Callughan said:

Gen 2 PDK eats Gen 1 Tip in everyway. Performance, handling even sound.

That's what the various mags said, although "eats" is probably a bit strong.

[cayman-black]

mrdemon said:

I would buy a manual gen 1 turbo or a PDK gen 2

Tiptronic gen 1 , no thanks.

^This.

[Callughan]

Koln-RS said:

Callughan said:

Gen 2 PDK eats Gen 1 Tip in everyway. Performance, handling even sound.

That's what the various mags said, although "eats" is probably a bit strong.

Just basing on my experience with both. Definitely PDK felt much much faster. Feeling wise maybe gen 1.

[NIgt3]

cayman-black said:

mrdemon said:

I would buy a manual gen 1 turbo or a PDK gen 2

Tiptronic gen 1 , no thanks.

^This.

Plus 3. If i had to choose i'd take manual gen1 turbo!!

[SonnyM]

One has a race bred engine the other does not

[IMI A]

Driven both. If you want an auto then PDK gen 2 is awesome. To be fair the tip wasn't as bad as I expected it to be - tip suits car quite well but PDK in a different league for both pace and noise IMO.

I'd buy a gen 1 or 2 manual - the manual gearbox is a peach

[Callughan]

SonnyM said:

One has a race bred engine the other does not

Which weighs more and is less powerful;)

Gen 2 engine also appears to be reliable, but beyond doubt if you plan to tune then Gen 1 all the way.

[pdj81]

Thanks for the sound advice guys, not looking to tune / modify so looks like gen ii PDK makes a strong case for itself - are there any members out there that have driven the gen II and the gen II turbo S for comparison ?

Is there much difference in grunt or is a well specced gen II pretty much as quick as the S ? Bearing in mind overboost with sports chrono plus etc

Thanks

[IMI A]

pdj81 said:

Thanks for the sound advice guys, not looking to tune / modify so looks like gen ii PDK makes a strong case for itself - are there any members out there that have driven the gen II and the gen II turbo S for comparison ?

Is there much difference in grunt or is a well specced gen II pretty much as quick as the S ? Bearing in mind overboost with sports chrono plus etc

Thanks

Go for the S IMO. Its def quicker and comes with all the toys + extra 30bhp. No brainer if money not an issue.

[s2000db]

pdj81 said:

Thanks for the sound advice guys, not looking to tune / modify so looks like gen ii PDK makes a strong case for itself - are there any members out there that have driven the gen II and the gen II turbo S for comparison ?

Is there much difference in grunt or is a well specced gen II pretty much as quick as the S ? Bearing in mind overboost with sports chrono plus etc

Thanks

Yes there's a noticeable difference on track as i drove them both back to back at Silverstone, I own an S, and having all the toys on it makes for a better overall package imo..

Here you go, all you need to know about an S compared to other similar exotica....
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2011-aston...

[Carl_Docklands]

pdj81 said:

Thanks for the sound advice guys, not looking to tune / modify so looks like gen ii PDK makes a strong case for itself - are there any members out there that have driven the gen II and the gen II turbo S for comparison ?

Is there much difference in grunt or is a well specced gen II pretty much as quick as the S ? Bearing in mind overboost with sports chrono plus etc

Thanks

You won't miss the extra 30bhp on the road but you might on the track. I would buy based on the options the car has.

Peeps have been running the pdk cars with mild upgrades to around 580bhp for around 3 years now so there is future headroom on the non-s to give it more far more poke than stock without lunching anything.

[Guyr]

SonnyM said:

One has a race bred engine the other does not

Which is a great consolation, when you can no longer see the faster newer car in the distance.

[Koln-RS]

And surely all Porsches benefit from the racing development.

[pdj81]

Thanks for all the help, definitely seems to be that S has all the options ticked - that said there is a well known YouTube vid of the Russian drag race where a standard gen II turbo keeps pace with an S ? Both cars seem to get a good, identical launch and both are PDK so am surprised that the S didn't pull out any significant advantage. Do you guys think that 10 secs of over boost in the turbo means effectively same sprint times and therefore in the real world the two are inseparable?

My thoughts are that a well specced turbo (with SPC +, PTV and dynamic engine mounts etc) is a very close match

I wonder if residuals will be slightly better for it than standard turbo ? Obviously I know that all will lose money, it's inevitable, but will it fair better ?

Interested to near from owners of the S - does the carbon air box add to the induction noise and overall is it louder / nicer than standard turbo?

[s2000db]

Yes it does have a much better sound when sport is selected, though it's not as loud as a sports exhaust..

Performance stats are here btw..

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/v12-vantage-vs...

[pdj81]

Thanks, amazing stats with car and driver review - not after a mega loud exhaust but at least some good noise as read a lot of negative views on 996 and gen I 997 lack of noise / drama etc.

[s2000db]

pdj81 said:

Thanks, amazing stats with car and driver review - not after a mega loud exhaust but at least some good noise as read a lot of negative views on 996 and gen I 997 lack of noise / drama etc.

It's just loud enough to cause pedestrians to take a second look.. ;-)