RE: PH Fleet: Renault Megane 265 Cup

RE: PH Fleet: Renault Megane 265 Cup

Tuesday 12th February 2013

PH Fleet: Renault Megane 265 Cup

Scrof finds living with the Megane day-to-day isn't as enjoyable as driving it fast



If you’ve been following the progress of our Megane long termer, you’ll have read so far of Dan’s exploits both on and off track that generally involved apexes, cornering speeds, grip and understeer/oversteer balance. I, meanwhile, have been exploring the other side of the Megane’s personality – namely, those to do with contraflows, SPECS systems, stop-start traffic and speed bumps.

Megane has revealed a few... erm... 'quirks'
Megane has revealed a few... erm... 'quirks'
Yes, after Dan’s stint at the wheel over Christmas, the keys to the Renault have been handed to me. I was, naturally, delighted – Dan’s had many a good thing to say about the Megane’s driving experience. But there’s been a problem. Most of my driving these days is done on congested motorways; on that vast swathe of the M25 around Clackett Lane that’s been turned into a 50mph limit thanks to roadworks, to be precise.  

As such, my time with the Megane so far has been less about B-road blasts and more about Radio 2’s traffic reports. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard about the snow gates being closed on the A93 at the Spittal of Glenshea. Still, the experience has at least given me plenty of time to get acclimatised to my new travelling companion. And I have to say, we’ve not made the best of friends so far.

I was most concerned about what the Cup’s ride quality might be like when I first took to the wheel. Actually, it hasn’t been much of a problem. Despite offering a super-taut chassis, the Cup’s well-damped, and although I’d never describe it as cosseting, it isn’t as jarring as you might expect. No, the problems have been more niggling than that. You might not think that much of them, but together they conspire to make the majority of my journeys in the Megane a rather tiring experience.

Standard setting for the climate control...
Standard setting for the climate control...
First up, there’s the clutch, which is stiffly-sprung and leaves you with cramp in your ankle after too long in a queue. Then there’s the long-arms, short-legs driving position – fine for some, but it leaves me feeling as though I’m sitting on top of the steering wheel, craning over it, rather than comfortably ensconced behind it. The stereo’s fiddly to use and can’t handle anywhere near enough bass, and the steering column stalk has far too many unintelligible buttons on it. The trip display has a vast array of functions, which leaves you cycling endlessly through tyre pressure information (front, then rear), service indicator and digital speedo just to get to the readout you want, and then the range indicator changes to useless dashes below 35 miles – just when you need it most.

The plastics feel a bit cheap in places, and the odd carbon fibre effect padded vinyl on the door is just plain weird. The climate control seemingly needs to be set to sub-tropical temperatures to get it anywhere near warm enough... and then there’s the auto stop-start. This sometimes takes an age to kick the car back into life, and occasionally doesn’t actually re-start the car at all. Which leaves you flailing around at a green light trying to work out why the engine hasn’t started and the car’s beeping at you as you gently and powerlessly roll back towards the car behind you. Oh, and the doors are simply too big for any normal parking space.

Good job it still makes us smile on a fast road!
Good job it still makes us smile on a fast road!
Sorry, I know that was a not-really-at-all-well-disguised rant, but when you spend four hours a day in a car having to deal with these little things, they get to you. It isn’t that the Megane is a bad car; it’s just not an easy one to live with. There’s a general sense that things haven’t quite been thought out as well as they could; as well as they have been on, say, a Focus ST or a Golf GTI.

In the Megane’s defence, though, the moments I have managed to get it alone on a back road (oo-er missus) have shown that it can do more there than either of those two. It’s an utter joy to drive fast; not quite as planted as many modern performance cars, but the better for that. The back end is loose, but predictable; meanwhile, up front, the diff hauls you around corners. There’s more power than it can handle on anything but a dry road, but in those circumstances that slightly ragged scrabbliness just adds to the fun. It’s a gripping car to drive fast, and that’s almost led me to forgive its foibles.

Almost, but not quite. Not just yet, anyway. I think I’ll need more time alone with it to really figure out whether the driving experience is worth living with the niggles, but at the moment it really could go either way.  The one upside is that it’s not made of newspaper and filler. Which, in myworld, stands it in good stead at the moment.


FACT SHEET
Car:
Renaultsport Megane 265 Cup
Run by: Alex (and Dan when circumstances allow)
On fleet since: December 2012
Mileage: 4,010
List price new: £28,115 (Basic list of £24,840 plus £350 for Renaultsport Monitor, £1,300 for Recaro seat upgrade, £750 for bi-xenon lights, £250 for hands free card with push-button start, £75 for spare wheel, £250 for tyre pressure monitor, £300 for Arkamys Bluetooth/USB ICE system)
Last month at a glance: A go-slow month reveals that the Megane isn't as fun to live with as it is to drive

Previous reports:
The Megane impresses, even from the passenger seat
New arrival! Megane 265 Cup joins the fleet...

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Discussion

Frimley111R

Original Poster:

15,649 posts

234 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Good points here and I have read similar from other Journos. Theres a lot to be said for being great day to day and nearly as good on B roads/tracks which, as I understand it, is what the ST does (and probably the Golf too).

drivin_me_nuts

17,949 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Interesting article. There's nothing so ball-breaking as the M25 to sap any real enthusiasm out of a car with a stiff clutch and crap heating.. and the M25 at the moment is crap enough to highlight these failings very quickly indeed.

jonm01

817 posts

237 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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You know what it needs don't you? A semi-auto gearbox like the new Clio!

I'm not joking. I've got a Meg 250 and a nice modern gearbox would make it a much nicer day to day car.


P4ROT

1,219 posts

193 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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jonm01 said:
You know what it needs don't you? A semi-auto gearbox like the new Clio!

I'm not joking. I've got a Meg 250 and a nice modern gearbox would make it a much nicer day to day car.
Burn him!! wink

SimonSaid

407 posts

186 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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jonm01 said:
You know what it needs don't you? A semi-auto gearbox like the new Clio!
Knew this was coming...! Sometimes I wonder if people's opinion on 'Manual VS Auto' is being heavily influenced by how much time they've spent crawling through traffic recently. Right now I'm all about a proper manual, but when I used to commute through traffic every day I cursed it for my sore knee and ankle.

As always, the answer is a bit of man maths, where the answer has to equal 2 (or more) cars.

mikey k

13,011 posts

216 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Yep very good points
I test drove one as a company car recently
Hated the interior, the driving position and the Mway cruising
Great on the B roads though wink
I bought a DSG Scirocco GT (which suffers with other issues frown )
Next time it will be a Focus ST or Golf GTi ED35 smile

BigTom85

1,927 posts

171 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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jonm01 said:
You know what it needs don't you? A semi-auto gearbox like the new Clio!

I'm not joking. I've got a Meg 250 and a nice modern gearbox would make it a much nicer day to day car.
I thought the same reading the article, had a chortle, but 3rd post in, no mucking about!! rofl

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Nice to read a review about how a car like this gets on in day to day driving.

Gavinio

21 posts

146 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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I know exactly what you mean, I used to own a Civic Type R, which was fantastic on welsh B roads and occasional track days, but bloody awful for the commute to work. Its lack of refinement made it exceptionally tiresome on the motorway and in stop start traffic. I guess by their very nature these types of vehicle are inherently flawed and compromised, if you need something that does it all perhaps an M3/RS4 is the answer?

mwstewart

7,596 posts

188 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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I think we need to remind ourselves of two things: 1) what this costs and 2) just how far cars have come in the last twenty years.

Would anyone with a modicum of car knowledge actually buy a car like this and expect it to be even partially suited to commuting? I certainly wouldn't, and however good engineering has become designing a car for a particular purpose is always about deciding where to make compromises. Besides, this is still better equipped and has far less NVH than some 'luxury' cars of the 90's.

Personally I think Renault have done a good job and as a car enthusiast there's only so far I want to feel removed from the sensation that I am piloting a mechanical vehicle, particularly in a hot hatch. I don't yet believe in a 'one car for all situations'.

Edit for spelling.

Edited by mwstewart on Tuesday 12th February 12:17

mat205125

17,790 posts

213 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Great write up. I find the observations on door length, stop/start, and the "- - - - -" remaining miles particularly familar.

These cars look great, and are a fantastic drive on the track, and (I'm assuming, having only driven on track) a twisty empty road.

I find these "day to day living with" reports the ones that offer the biggest insight into what life with one could be like for the majority of the time.

il sole

287 posts

144 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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mwstewart said:
I think we need to remind ourselves of two things: 1) what this costs and 2) just how far cars have come in the last twenty years.

Would anyone with a modicum of car knowledge actually buy a car like this and expect it to be even partially suited to commuting? I certainly wouldn't, and however good engineering has become designing a car for a particular purpose is always about deciding where to make compromises. Besides, this is still better equipped and has far less NVH than some 'luxury' cars of the 90's.

Personally I think Renault have done a good job and as a car enthusiast there's only so far I want to feel removed from the sensation that I am piloting a mechanical vehicle, particularly in a hot hatch. I don't yet believe in a 'one car for all situations'.

Edit for spelling.

Edited by mwstewart on Tuesday 12th February 12:17
i agree. renault can't really win can it? you read any review of focus vs golf vs megane and they all come to the same opinion, it is the best FWD hot hatch. so there are niggly bits about it - so what! a car cannot be excellent at EVERYTHING, particularly not one costing less than £25k.

Escort Si-130

3,272 posts

180 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Bit of a suprise, I didnt realise it was so harsh.

Andy ap

1,147 posts

172 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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"and then there’s the auto stop-start. This sometimes takes an age to kick the car back into life, and occasionally doesn’t actually re-start the car at all. Which leaves you flailing around at a green light trying to work out why the engine hasn’t started and the car’s beeping at you as you gently and powerlessly roll back towards the car behind you"

these modern cars are great for traffic light grand prix's Renaultsport Megane vs Morris minor. And the winner is?

MarkRSi

5,782 posts

218 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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I had a test drive of one of these, and it wasn't so much the weight of the clutch (nothing like a mk1 Clio for example) but the sharpness, which made smooth shifts tricky, this doesn't seem to be a problem?

Can the stop start be switched off?

Itsallicanafford

2,765 posts

159 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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'The plastics feel a bit cheap in places, and the odd carbon fibre effect padded vinyl on the door is just plain weird. The climate control seemingly needs to be set to sub-tropical temperatures to get it anywhere near warm enough... and then there’s the auto stop-start. This sometimes takes an age to kick the car back into life, and occasionally doesn’t actually re-start the car at all. Which leaves you flailing around at a green light trying to work out why the engine hasn’t started and the car’s beeping at you as you gently and powerlessly roll back towards the car behind you. Oh, and the doors are simply too big for any normal parking space.'

Chin-up, at least the sills are not full of filler...

roystinho

3,767 posts

175 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Pretty sure you can switch it off - the stop start that is

I've had a few turns in a Megane, they're an absolute weapon on the back roads, I'm pretty sure they'd be fine for my commute given what I currently commute in, but they're almost too good/fast to enjoy on the roads I felt. I'd rather have something less competant and more fun if that makes sense...

ant leigh

714 posts

143 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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MarkRSi said:
Can the stop start be switched off?
Don't have the option on mine. No way I wanted a computer deciding when to switch off the engine in my car. wink

MissChief

7,105 posts

168 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Itsallicanafford said:
'The plastics feel a bit cheap in places, and the odd carbon fibre effect padded vinyl on the door is just plain weird. The climate control seemingly needs to be set to sub-tropical temperatures to get it anywhere near warm enough... and then there’s the auto stop-start. This sometimes takes an age to kick the car back into life, and occasionally doesn’t actually re-start the car at all. Which leaves you flailing around at a green light trying to work out why the engine hasn’t started and the car’s beeping at you as you gently and powerlessly roll back towards the car behind you. Oh, and the doors are simply too big for any normal parking space.'

Chin-up, at least the sills are not full of filler...
Or newspaper....

MarkRSi

5,782 posts

218 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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ant leigh said:
MarkRSi said:
Can the stop start be switched off?
Don't have the option on mine. No way I wanted a computer deciding when to switch off the engine in my car. wink
It'd hardly get used anyway I suspect, assuming it only kicks in once the engine is fully warmed up? Commute is only a 10 mile journey of country roads which can be done non-stop most days.