RE: Tell Me I'm Wrong: Mercedes SLR McLaren

RE: Tell Me I'm Wrong: Mercedes SLR McLaren

Friday 15th February 2013

Tell Me I'm Wrong: Mercedes SLR McLaren

Why the Mercedes SLR McLaren isn't the disappointment many painted it to be



I'm going to flip the usual Tell Me I'm Wrong format on its head and say a car most people reckon was seriously flawed is actually one of the best supercars of the modern era. Yep, I'm telling you the Mercedes SLR McLaren is vastly underrated.

Vision SLR concept of 1999 laid foundations
Vision SLR concept of 1999 laid foundations
Let's get the case for the prosecution out of the way first. Yes, the SLR was saddled with a torque convertor auto, snatchy carbon brakes and oddly twitchy steering. And, yes, given its fancy all-carbon construction it should have weighed half a tonne less than its eventual 1,768kg. But while the supercar purists scoff I'd contest that Mercedes actually nailed exactly what supercar buyers ACTUALLY want, not what many, manufacturers included, think they want.

The enemy within
The SLR faced two significant problems. First, it was a contemporary of the Ferrari Enzo and Porsche Carrera GT. Meanwhile newcomers like Pagani and Koenigsegg were really starting to establish themselves and the ever-present Murcielago flourished. And into this blundered the SLR, carbon-bodied but heavy, exotic and expensive but with a planned production run of over 3,000, outrageously fast and furious but saddled with a five-speed slushmatic. McLaren brought provenance and carbon expertise but the partnership that had delivered two F1 world championships on track was apparently less harmonious in creating a road car. A new-age McLaren F1 this was not.

Productionising carbon construction not easy
Productionising carbon construction not easy
But the biggest competition was internal. Because for a third of the money you could have an SL55 with essentially the same engine and gearbox. That the SLR, to the untrained eye, resembled and even sounded like a glorified SL really didn't help. Second time round Mercedes learned the lesson and went in-house, the SLS successfully managing the distinction between its supercar and the 'regular' AMG ranges.

And now, while Enzos close in on seven figures and Carrera GTs are considered a bargain at 300 grand, the SLR finds itself on the same potential shopping list as a secondhand SLS. That's a detailed comparison for another time but could you really consider the McMerc's flawed genius against the sure-fire grin fest SLS?

SLR not the hoped for McLaren F1 successor
SLR not the hoped for McLaren F1 successor
Would you? Could you?
I think you could. Even a decade on, an SLR in the flesh is still an event and more than dramatic enough to steal the limelight from its more accomplished successor, as the number of phone cameras pointed at it as we photographed this car outside Mercedes-Benz World in Brooklands attests. A nearby SLS, meanwhile, was totally ignored.

Awkward profile view aside, the SLR has aged extremely well indeed, the design far more exotic, aggressive and cohesive than that of the SLS. As dramatic as the latter is, it's a 'junior' supercar in the 458 and Gallardo league, but the SLR remains the real deal. Then there's the cachet of that all-carbon construction, the significance (and challenges) of Mercedes and McLaren productionising this to the relatively mass-market. Making a handbuilt carbon supercar is one thing; doing it in the thousands and to meet the quality standards of a mass-market brand like Mercedes quite another.

Each 'beer barrel' silencer displaces 19.6 litres!
Each 'beer barrel' silencer displaces 19.6 litres!
It's not an entirely daft prospect to run either. The M155 engine, a dry-sumped evolution of the supercharged M113 5.5-litre at the heart of the AMG line up in the early 2000s, is proven, tough and well within its parameters even with more than 600hp. Likewise the gearbox, slushmatic or no. And for all the exotic construction it's a relatively simple car, with passive dampers and generally proven tech shared with many contemporary Mercs. Most barely cover a 10th of that, but you could do 10,000 miles a year in this car and face no bigger concerns than any other top-end Merc. It's surprisingly cramped and loaded with too much generic Mercedes switchgear but highly strung it is not.

On the pace
Monstrously fast and hugely charismatic it is, though. 626hp is still more than ample and the way it goes about it leaves nothing wanting. McLaren's input makes itself felt with discreetly clever aero to permit an SLS-humbling 209mph top speed; AMG's with good-old fashioned V8 muscle that sees off 0-125mph in a frankly still astonishing 10.6 seconds. That V8 broadcasts its Ride Of The Valkyries pomposity through side exhausts, ostensibly to create an aerodynamically flat floor but, really, because they're just wildly cool and exotic. As is the variable spoiler cum airbrake, which quietly references that used by the 1955 Le Mans 300SLR (yes, that one).

Air of exoticism survives, 10 years on
Air of exoticism survives, 10 years on
The immense stiffness and curiously darty steering contrive to make it feel a lot more exciting than its glorified SL shape might suggest too, the comedic proportions meaning the front end appears to swing on a vertical axis located somewhere behind you. It's an odd sensation but all part of the SLR's unique character, the infamously grabby brakes modulated by a change in pad compound later in its life. An SL55 might not trail too far on paper but an SLR is in a different league, even if it needs a lot of space to really strut its stuff.

In context
And you know what, the gearbox kind of fits with the rich, torquey power delivery. If you've got a racing engine's narrow power band you need fast, urgent gear changes. But the SLR is immense in any gear, at any revs and the lazy shift really isn't as much of an issue as you'd think. Besides, lingering in-ratio and letting that pneumatic drill engine note and overlayed supercharger howl build, build, build is one of THE great supercar experiences. The manual mode is usable but you'd want one with the proper paddles introduced by the 722 Edition (650hp, faster gearshifts, 44kg less and a couple of tenths off the benchmark sprint times among the revisions) in 2007.

Look back 75 years for the true inspiration
Look back 75 years for the true inspiration
In period the SLR appeared confused and outclassed by its rivals. But time has given us opportunity to put it in a wider context. Comparing it with cars like the Carrera GT, the Enzo and the Zonda isn't really appropriate. Look further back to a previous era of opulent but technically advanced and blisteringly fast supercharged Mercedes. Ones with really long bonnets. Cars like the 540K Autobahn-Kurierwagen. With that heritage in mind it begins to make sense. An SLS is a better car by pretty much any rational or quantifiable measure. An Enzo or Carrera GT more exclusive, focused and extreme. But the SLR is a special car and one whose flaws that irritated at the time are now part of its charm and quirkiness.

And even if you don't buy that argument there's always those side exhausts.



Mercedes SLR McLaren timeline

1999 (Jan) Vision SLR concept unveiled at Detroit with 5.5-litre engine and 557hp
2001 (March) Orders open for the SLR and Maybach in UK, £500K of deposits at £25K a time made within five weeks
2003 (Sept) SLR McLaren unveiled at Frankfurt; first public appearance
2006 (July) Sets London Land Speed record of 175.7mph
2006 (Sept) SLR 722 coupe unveiled at Paris motor show, limited run of 150 built2007 (May) SLR Roadster confirmed
2007 (June) SLR Roadster makes first public appearance at Goodwood Festival of Speed
2008 (Oct) SLR 722 S Roadster shown at Paris with 650hp, limited run of 150 built
2008 (Dec) SLR Stirling Moss announced, limited to 75 examples
2009 (May) End of SLR Roadster production; Stirling Moss Edition production runs June-December, car only available to existing SLR customers


MERCEDES-BENZ SLR McLAREN
Engine:
5,439cc V8 supercharged
Transmission: 5-speed auto, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 626@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 575@3,250rpm
0-62mph: 3.8sec
Top speed: 209mph
Weight: 1,768kg (EC)
MPG: 14.8mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: N/A
Price: c. £150,000







Author
Discussion

jmesgotav8

Original Poster:

99 posts

150 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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I've thought these were cheap for a while now. I've always wanted one for the 'ejector seat' starter button... Simple things...

dmatin

39 posts

137 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Never liked the look of the car seemed way too much like a stretched SL.

dmatin

39 posts

137 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Never liked the look of the car seemed way too much like a stretched SL.

dmatin

39 posts

137 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Never liked the look of the car seemed way too much like a stretched SL.

rtz62

3,366 posts

155 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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I disagree (3x, just to counter the 3 repeated posts above).
The shape is coherent despite being derivative, and does a good job of being different enough to matter but still being clearly a Benz.
Love it.

gofasterrosssco

1,237 posts

236 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Its just good to have a refreshingly different take on the 'Supercar' that isn't necessarily mid-engined, overly-focused and requires ultimate concentration to drive. There's room for both.

Guvernator

13,145 posts

165 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Sorry Dan but you're wrong.

A partnership between Mercedes and McLaren to produce a road going hyper car! The prospect of one of the best engineering teams in the business and the maker of the legendary McLaren F1, teaming up with one of the biggest names in car manufacturing in the world had people literally salivating at the mouth at what they'd come up with.

Unfortunately what we ended up with was a car which appealed to the up and coming new money set, oil barons and footballers wives, designed more for being seen posing outside Harrods then actually being driven.

1) It's too heavy
2) It was too expensive
3) It has an autobox
4) It didn't handle very well
5) Paris Hilton owned one (need I say more)
5) Despite basically sharing the same running gear as an SL55, servicing costs incur the "SLR tax", a minor service costs in the region of £4k and a major one £8k!

It's such an embarrassment that McLaren have tried to distance themselves from it as much as possible, almost to the point of denying their involvement with it.

There is a reason why they are depreciating like a stone while it's contemporaries are jumping up in value. Probably one of the biggest disappointments in hypercar history IMO.

Edited by Guvernator on Friday 15th February 11:28

CliveM

525 posts

185 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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1) It's too heavy - For what? It's not a track car and it's as fast as one could wish on the road.
2) It was too expensive - that's kind of the point of the article. It's bloody cheap now.
3) It has an autobox - And this would be the killer point for many. But there are a sizeable minority who want something else from their "supercar". For them, this might be a good choice.
4) It didn't handle very well - Perhaps 10% of supercar owners would even be able to tell - I can't believe that many have the driving skills to distinguish between "capable" and "very good". If it's not terrible (and brakes aside I've not heard many say it's that bad) it'll probably be more than acceptable. It's not a track car after all.
5) Paris Hilton owned one (need I say more) - Yes, you do. Facile argument.
5) Despite basically sharing the same running gear as an SL55, servicing costs incur the "SLR tax", a minor service costs in the region of £4k and a major one £8k! - Fair enough, that's absurd. Perhaps cheap enough now to do a bit of home spannering......? jester

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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More on the running and servicing costs to come very shortly in a Spotted story we've got to accompany this main feature but chatting with MB World it'd seem the cost in servicing them is the labour. It was explained that even getting it on a ramp takes time because it has to be bolted on - if it wasn't removing certain components could have it see-sawing off the lift!

And there are c. 250 fasteners to remove to take off the undertray to access the sump, etc. "What would take 10 minutes on a B-Class service takes 90 minutes on an SLR" I was told.

Mechanically they're pretty tough, it was explained. It's just getting to the bits to work on them.

Cheers,

Dan

Podie

46,630 posts

275 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Even if I had the money, there are far more desirable looking cars.

Doesn't matter if it's a great car if people don't lust after it.

delays

786 posts

215 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Guvernator said:
Sorry Dan but you're wrong.

A partnership between Mercedes and McLaren to produce a road going hyper car! The prospect of one of the best engineering teams in the business and the maker of the legendary McLaren F1, teaming up with one of the biggest names in car manufacturing in the world had people literally salivating at the mouth at what they'd come up with.

Unfortunately what we ended up with was a car which appealed to the up and coming new money set, oil barons and footballers wives, designed more for being seen posing outside Harrods then actually being driven.

1) It's too heavy
2) It was too expensive
3) It has an autobox
4) It didn't handle very well
5) Paris Hilton owned one (need I say more)
5) Despite basically sharing the same running gear as an SL55, servicing costs incur the "SLR tax", a minor service costs in the region of £4k and a major one £8k!

It's such an embarrassment that McLaren have tried to distance themselves from it as much as possible, almost to the point of denying their involvement with it.

There is a reason why they are depreciating like a stone while it's contemporaries are jumping up in value. Probably one of the biggest disappointments in hypercar history IMO.

Edited by Guvernator on Friday 15th February 11:28
I guess it can it only be judged against its original brief and target audience - if it was the Harrods/boulevard cruising set, then it must surely be a success.

I remember I was very blase against it when it came out, but I always remember the sound it made on TG when it did the lap - amazing. Beginning to warm to the car more and more.

myhandle

1,187 posts

174 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Guvernator said:
It's such an embarrassment that McLaren have tried to distance themselves from it as much as possible, almost to the point of denying their involvement with it.
I don't think that's accurate - they offer SLR upgrades eg their high-downforce bodykit, and when there are articles about visits to the McLaren HQ there are usually a couple of SLRs in full view in the workshop, not hidden away.

LongLiveTazio

2,714 posts

197 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Sorry, Guvernator, but that just isn't true. You can still quite happily take your vehicle to McLaren SVO, they don't renounce it at all. They released their own special version after production had ended and the infamous brakes and gearbox have both had upgrades since. As for handling not being good, where's that been said for the standards of the day? Some had issue with the steering but that and handling are two separate things and IIRC it recorded a ridiculously high skidpan figure. I doubt you would be able to get it anywhere near its limits on a public road.

As for weight, I always find this a curious issue. People only ever bring it up if they don't like the car. If they do like the car they'll say, 'Despite the weight,' or an analogy like, 'Feels like a large Lotus Elise.' If you blindfolded people and got them to drive it I bet they wouldn't be able to actually say how much it weighed beyond an extremely vague guess. Many cars don't drive like their weight, many manufacturer weights are misleading and it can only be viewed in context with the kind of car it is...

It's a sports GT. In a straight line it monstered anything. It was easy to drive and had a tight turning circle making it easy in cities. You could cover hundreds and hundreds of miles and not feel it. It delivered the performance whether it was extreme Arctic cold or Arabian heat. It was built exceptionally well. It was safe. There's plenty of cubbies and space for luggage.

This all may sound boring to people on here but people bought them. Why? Because they had an Enzo or CGT or whatever in the garage already. They wanted a usable, everyday supercar that you could take on a continental trip with no fuss, which is exactly what it is. It's the spiritual successor to the 300SL, IMO.

ugg10

681 posts

217 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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I remember being over taken by two German plate SLR's (one silver, pne black, also saw thema number of times after that) not far from Dunsfold Aerodrome (probably still got the track day head on!) and I thought it was two low flying spitfires, these cars have great road present (i.e. they are distictive, wide and loud) and given the head line figures are alsmost identifal to an SLS I have on in a shot. On the Auto box comments, remember the target audience was for existing SL customer who would have considered trading up to a Ferrari 456/612,not those after an Enzo in my opinion. Merc wanted to keep them in house.

The Sterling Moss version (final spyder edition) is just sublime, on myu euro millions list I there is ever one for sale.

will_

6,027 posts

203 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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I think the article is bang on.

The SLR still looks fresh and has aged very well.

And speaking to a friend who has owned pretty much every modern supercar (and is on his third SLR), the Mac-Merc is the one he suggests is the best of the bunch to actually use. It has luggage space, can be docile but has staggering pace if the mood takes you.

405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Jay Leno is a big fan of these isn't he? He's a man with as big a range of cars to choose-from than anyone and he reckons his SLR makes a great form of daily transport and yet has all the supercar capabilies you'd ever need... This is a man who drove a Countach as a daily driver - I suspect he gets supercars??

Clarkson also liked it and he owned an SL55 at the time so he'd not have been sold on the 'it's just an SL55 with knobs-on' - it was also the fastest car around the TG track at the time, quicker than the original Zonda and Murcielago so not exactly a slouch?

The common complaint is the brakes - amazing but dead feeling - otherwise the grumbles tend to be more personal/subjective??

For the interior is a massive, massive letdown for a car of the price, esp on earlier cars. Later cars, esp the cabrios, have nicer interiors as they binned the tacky leather and shiny plastic for alcantara and some slightly more upmarket bits but the SL55 still felt more special when I was actually sitting in it.

The noise tho - I need to repeat that - THE NOISE is sublime.

LongLiveTazio

2,714 posts

197 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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The Stirling Moss is bonkers. I doubt there is a more jaw-dropping car from any manufacturer.

will_

6,027 posts

203 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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LongLiveTazio said:
Sorry, Guvernator, but that just isn't true. You can still quite happily take your vehicle to McLaren SVO, they don't renounce it at all. They released their own special version after production had ended and the infamous brakes and gearbox have both had upgrades since. As for handling not being good, where's that been said for the standards of the day? Some had issue with the steering but that and handling are two separate things and IIRC it recorded a ridiculously high skidpan figure. I doubt you would be able to get it anywhere near its limits on a public road.

As for weight, I always find this a curious issue. People only ever bring it up if they don't like the car. If they do like the car they'll say, 'Despite the weight,' or an analogy like, 'Feels like a large Lotus Elise.' If you blindfolded people and got them to drive it I bet they wouldn't be able to actually say how much it weighed beyond an extremely vague guess. Many cars don't drive like their weight, many manufacturer weights are misleading and it can only be viewed in context with the kind of car it is...

It's a sports GT. In a straight line it monstered anything. It was easy to drive and had a tight turning circle making it easy in cities. You could cover hundreds and hundreds of miles and not feel it. It delivered the performance whether it was extreme Arctic cold or Arabian heat. It was built exceptionally well. It was safe. There's plenty of cubbies and space for luggage.

This all may sound boring to people on here but people bought them. Why? Because they had an Enzo or CGT or whatever in the garage already. They wanted a usable, everyday supercar that you could take on a continental trip with no fuss, which is exactly what it is. It's the spiritual successor to the 300SL, IMO.
Beat me to it!

storminnorman

2,357 posts

152 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Never really liked these I'm afraid. Look a bit too stretched and 'bling'

WCZ

10,518 posts

194 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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couldn't agree more, the 722s is one of the best cars I've ever driven, alebit for a shortish time !