RE: McLaren P1: powertrain

RE: McLaren P1: powertrain

Wednesday 20th February 2013

McLaren P1: powertrain

916hp, DRS and electric 'push to pass' 179hp Instant Power Assist System confirmed in latest release



As fascinating as it is the McLaren P1's interior is of passing interest compared with some of the frankly astonishing engineering hidden away in the depths of the car's carbon shell. Not least the petrol-electric powertrain, details of which McLaren has now divulged ahead of Geneva.

Twin-turbo at its heart but that's just the start
Twin-turbo at its heart but that's just the start
And if, like us, you're thinking back to the days of yellowing posters of Countachs on your wall and trying to imagine what a car with more than 400hp must be like, get ready for some fairly serious mental recalibration of what counts as fast. Because compared with the P1 even iconic supercar heroes like the Ferrari F40 or McLaren F1 seem about as sophisticated as a Model T.

The basics of the P1 powertrain are an upgraded version of McLaren's 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8, now delivering 737hp and 530lb ft compared with the 626hp and 442lb ft in the 12C. Cooling and 'durability' have been uprated to cope but the really big deal is the addition of an electric motor, incorporated directly into the engine block casting. This delivers 179hp and 192lb ft on its own, enough to enable the P1 to glide around city centres in eery silence for up to six or so miles, should you so wish. Things get a bit noisier once you exhaust the battery and the V8 fires up again but it helps contribute to the equally extraordinary 200g/km CO2 figure. The battery can be revived from flat in two hours from a plug-in charger stored in the luggage compartment and/or installed in your garage (home or pit). Cool stuff includes using the torque of the electric motor to help brake the petrol engine's revs, meaning even faster upshifts from the seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox.

Electric motor fully integrated into block
Electric motor fully integrated into block
Still taking all that in? Well, the tech onslaught continues because having created all that power McLaren's gone to some lengths to control how it's deployed. And it seems the electric motor has been tuned to fill in any gaps in the V8's power delivery, boosting low-end response before the turbos spool up to replicate the kind of instant kick in the back you'd get from a highly tuned normally aspirated engine. Like you had in the F1. Meanwhile the "significantly enhanced air charging system", aka a roof scoop, frees up more top end power than you'd normally associate with forced induction. Like a highly tuned normally aspirated engine. Like you had in the F1.

This and the 96kg weight penalty of the battery pack make you wonder just how things have progressed since that car. Sure, it's faster, more powerful and technically impressive. But it seems an awful lot of effort to effectively reach the same end. No matter - it's the way the market is going and with Ferrari and Porsche also preparing hybrid hypercars McLaren has to keep pace, technologically and on the track.

F1 gadgets will help out here on track
F1 gadgets will help out here on track
Speaking of which there are a couple of F1-influenced gadgets controlled by buttons on the steering wheel to complete that sense of technology transfer. The first is a DRS button, reducing the rear wing's drag by nearly a quarter for increased top speed. And the second is an IPAS (Instant Power Assist System) that lets you manually deploy the electric motor's 179hp at the moment of your choosing.

So the car can do it. Question is, can you? And will the next generation of hypercar drivers need F1 driver levels of fitness and reaction times to really exploit what they have at their disposal? We'll find out soon enough.

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MyCC

Original Poster:

337 posts

157 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Cannot wait to see and hear this! The comparison with the new Enzo will be fascinating!

Regards,

My.CC.

Hellbound

2,500 posts

176 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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There's nothing I don't like about this car, apart from the price. smile


I guess if it wasn't for the crooked banking system, organised crime, insider trading, money markets, corrupt governments...etc etc etc....we wouldn't have hyper cars as there would be no viable demand for them.


But God it does look good.

gazjacko

3 posts

180 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Well that settles what I want from Santa for Xmasbiggrin

Agoogy

7,274 posts

248 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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I know it's all aerodynamically justifiable and stuff, but doesn't it just look a bit french curve/smiley/melty??
It's like the complete opposite of the last Enzo-origami....

Jellymonster

303 posts

194 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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My god... that is delicious. If money was no object...

Lordbenny

8,584 posts

219 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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I'll take mine without all the electrical shenanigans and the big old battery...ta smile

MDian

2,890 posts

171 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Stunning, amazing, exciting...I'll take the Porsche!!!

purple haze

259 posts

224 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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McLaren seem to have been sandbagging on the power output - that's more than I had been expecting. Will be interesting to see how the new Ferrari compares

ikarl

3,730 posts

199 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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737bhp and it needs 179bhp electric assist to overtake??? WTF??

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Interesting seeing how hybrid drive-trains are moving into the supercar market from the mainstream. Normally technology goes the other way. hehe

Is it just me, or does that battery pack look rather tall? I'm surprised they couldn't package it lower than that somehow.

k-ink

9,070 posts

179 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Interesting. Clearly it is a departure in F1 ethos, off less is more. In this case it seems more is more. I guess that is the way the world is going though.

NotNormal

2,359 posts

214 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Engine is certainly different to that of the 12C. Bigger turbo's, lower COG etc etc

12C Engine


P1 Engine

suffolk009

5,387 posts

165 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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I think I need a little lie-down.

The looks (especially the nose) still worry me a bit.

And I think maybe there's a little more to come from that engine package, just incase Ferrari turns up with 20hp more in their new car?

Amirhussain

11,489 posts

163 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Still don't like the fact that it shares the same engine as the 12C. Special car should have its own unique engine, IMO.

CraigyMc

16,404 posts

236 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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I can't believe McLaren blinked first.

Fire99

9,844 posts

229 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Brutally ugly and set to become the Dyson of the supercar world, but less quirky.

0llie

3,007 posts

196 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Can't wait to see everything unfold, also going to get to see it at Geneva; That, I am looking forward to very much!

TheOrangePeril

778 posts

180 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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Utterly glorious, cannot wait for the trickle-down to the 'lesser' beasts of the future!
It's such a great idea it makes you wonder why other manufacturers haven't started implementing similar 'hard rev-matching' techniques.

Hellbound

2,500 posts

176 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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ikarl said:
737bhp and it needs 179bhp electric assist to overtake??? WTF??
If you ever need to overtake or even outrun an exploding meteor...

Galileo

3,145 posts

218 months

Wednesday 20th February 2013
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ikarl said:
737bhp and it needs 179bhp electric assist to overtake??? WTF??
My thoughts exactly. What the hell do they think it might need to pass? A Eurofighter?