RE: Ferrari F70/F150: the story so far

RE: Ferrari F70/F150: the story so far

Thursday 21st February 2013

Ferrari F70/F150: the story so far

With the McLaren P1 taking form, here's a run-down on its main rival: Ferrari's next hypercar



McLaren’s stolen a few headlines this week with the announcement of its P1 hypercar’s drivetrain. Full details will come when the P1 hits Geneva in just under two weeks’ time, but there’ll be just one problem: it’ll have to share its limelight with its biggest rival – Ferrari’s successor to the Enzo.

High-tech carbon tub will be the centrepiece
High-tech carbon tub will be the centrepiece
There’s been a steady trickle of teasers, rumours and snippets about the new big Ferrari, as well as some good, hard facts to get excited about. As yet, and in keeping with Ferrari tradition, the new car has no officially-confirmed name – that’ll be revealed just before the car itself. Many pundits know the car as the F150, though that looks unlikely when you consider that Ferrari was forced to change the name of its F1 car in 2011 after Ford kicked up a fuss about that F150 sharing its name with Ford’s best-selling pickup. So F70 looks more likely, but Ferrari could equally go in a completely different direction, as it did with the Enzo.  

Either way, what we know is that the new car will be based around an advanced carbon fibre monocoque, as previewed at the Beijing Show in 2012. Four types of carbon fibre will be used to create this, each hand-laminated; the doors, meanwhile, look set to use T1000 carbon fibre – as seen on the noses of Ferrari’s F1 cars – for its high level of impact protection. Meanwhile, a combination of carbon fibre and Kevlar will be used in the undertray, to protect the monocoque from road debris.

HY-KERS system will provide 1.35hp per kg
HY-KERS system will provide 1.35hp per kg
The result will be a chassis 20 per cent lighter than the Enzo’s, but also boasting 27 per cent more torsional stiffness.

We also know that the new car will feature a hybrid drivetrain similar to the P1’s – although at its heart will be a V12 engine, most likely the 6.3-litre that’s fitted to the F12. That’ll be matched to two electric motors, one mounted to the gearbox and used to drive the rear wheels, with a separate motor providing power for the car’s auxiliary systems. Both will be driven from separate battery systems which will be charged by the engine, while the ‘drive’ electric motor will also use a KERS-like system which will convert its negative torque under braking to charge for its battery. This will be managed by a dedicated ECU based around the technology that’s used in Ferrari’s F1 KERS systems. The system, known as HY-KERS and previously shown in a 599 concept should deliver an additional 1.35hp for every extra kg of weight it adds, and Ferrari says its aim has been to provide similar power to a high-end naturally-aspirated engine while delivering 40 per cent fewer emissions on a combined cycle.

Teasers have revealed front and rear views
Teasers have revealed front and rear views
So, that’s what we know. What we don’t have so far are any definitive stats. But there are a smattering of rumoured figures that have emerged from a supposedly top-secret preview evening given to potential customers at Maranello. They’re unconfirmed, but they still make some interesting reading.

First up, there’s the V12’s power figure: 800hp, apparently, but what’s also worthy of note is its redline, which looks set to be a screaming 9,200rpm. The HY-KERS system will add between 120hp and 150hp, giving a potential peak power figure of 950hp. Peak torque, meanwhile, should be developed all the way down at 1,000rpm.

As you’d expect with all that carbon, weight mooted to be on the low side – 1,300kg, to be precise, which is expected to allow a mind-expanding 0-62 time of under three seconds. Blimey. 125mph will come up in 7.3 seconds, meanwhile.

New car will succeed the Enzo
New car will succeed the Enzo
There is, of course, the small matter of price. And as you’d expect with such astonishing stats, it’s not going to be yours a couple of bob. In fact, it looks like the cost will be a whopping 1,200,000 euros – or just over a cool million, in the Queen’s finest.

The F70 – if that is its real name – will make its debut in Geneva, and of course we’ll bring you an update on these details as they’re revealed. Watch this space, then, because this is set to be the most astonishing Ferrari the world has ever seen.

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SteveH80

Original Poster:

46 posts

137 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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The car sounds fab overall, although I don't really understand the quoted figure of hp per weight added for the electric system. Does anyone know how this compares to a petrol engine?

That said, can't wait to see it. The front and rear teaser shots look great!

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

198 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Somewhat off-topic, but I wonder how the traditional tuning industry will cope with the march towards electric propulsion. The two skill areas are very different after all.

jon-

16,509 posts

216 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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SteveH80 said:
The car sounds fab overall, although I don't really understand the quoted figure of hp per weight added for the electric system. Does anyone know how this compares to a petrol engine?

That said, can't wait to see it. The front and rear teaser shots look great!
Favourably when compared to a small engine in a shopping car, unfavourably when compared to a high capacity or turbo charged engine.

C.A.R.

3,967 posts

188 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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PH said:
which is expected to allow a mind-expanding 0-62 time of under three seconds.
This is where the bloody Nissan GTR has ruined numbers for me, cos a £1 million Ferrari doing the 0-60 sprint in less than 3 seconds now sounds somewhat less impressive.

Still, the Ferrari will be several leagues above the humble Nissan. But it still annoys me, that all I ever think of when I read figures like this is "what can that Nissan do again?" and suddenly everything sounds much less impressive!

kambites

67,568 posts

221 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Looking at that transparent side-view thing of whatever car that is, I wonder why the engine is mounted so high up?

jon-

16,509 posts

216 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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C.A.R. said:
PH said:
which is expected to allow a mind-expanding 0-62 time of under three seconds.
This is where the bloody Nissan GTR has ruined numbers for me, cos a £1 million Ferrari doing the 0-60 sprint in less than 3 seconds now sounds somewhat less impressive.

Still, the Ferrari will be several leagues above the humble Nissan. But it still annoys me, that all I ever think of when I read figures like this is "what can that Nissan do again?" and suddenly everything sounds much less impressive!
0-60 is traction limited now, without a set of super sticky cheat tyres, or a very light chassis it's not going to get much better. Isn't an F1 car around 2.5?

Remind me what a GTR does 0-125 in...

Dr Z

3,396 posts

171 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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I have a feeling, this Ferrari is going to be lot less fussy, aesthetics wise and so might just trump the P1 in terms of looks...

motor mad

473 posts

189 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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jon- said:
0-60 is traction limited now, without a set of super sticky cheat tyres, or a very light chassis it's not going to get much better. Isn't an F1 car around 2.5?

Remind me what a GTR does 0-125 in...
True, but remind me what a GTR costs and I can remind myself how often I do 0-125

kambites

67,568 posts

221 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Dr Z said:
I have a feeling, this Ferrari is going to be lot less fussy, aesthetics wise and so might just trump the P1 in terms of looks...
That'd be a first for Ferrari in recent years.

lindrup119

1,228 posts

143 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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motor mad said:
jon- said:
0-60 is traction limited now, without a set of super sticky cheat tyres, or a very light chassis it's not going to get much better. Isn't an F1 car around 2.5?

Remind me what a GTR does 0-125 in...
True, but remind me what a GTR costs and I can remind myself how often I do 0-125
yes

PunterCam

1,072 posts

195 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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lindrup119 said:
motor mad said:
jon- said:
0-60 is traction limited now, without a set of super sticky cheat tyres, or a very light chassis it's not going to get much better. Isn't an F1 car around 2.5?

Remind me what a GTR does 0-125 in...
True, but remind me what a GTR costs and I can remind myself how often I do 0-125
yes
A GTR? That Japanese barge? Why on earth are you talking about that?

garypotter

1,503 posts

150 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Very true Motor Mad the GTR is a very impressive car performance wise, but the buyers of thes hyper cars will store them in airconditoned cushioned rooms and never use the cars, unlike the GTR which can be used as an everyday car, a track car or a getaway car, sorry a bit off topic.

My all time fav car is the Maccer F1, closely followed by the F40, growing up with pictures on the bedroom wall etc, looking forward to these 2 great engineering companies going head to head with their new hyper cars.

Do Mclaren have their nose in front with regard to production and release dates

DB89

781 posts

179 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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jon- said:
C.A.R. said:
PH said:
which is expected to allow a mind-expanding 0-62 time of under three seconds.
This is where the bloody Nissan GTR has ruined numbers for me, cos a £1 million Ferrari doing the 0-60 sprint in less than 3 seconds now sounds somewhat less impressive.

Still, the Ferrari will be several leagues above the humble Nissan. But it still annoys me, that all I ever think of when I read figures like this is "what can that Nissan do again?" and suddenly everything sounds much less impressive!
0-60 is traction limited now, without a set of super sticky cheat tyres, or a very light chassis it's not going to get much better. Isn't an F1 car around 2.5?

Remind me what a GTR does 0-125 in...
Bloody fast enough!

DB89

781 posts

179 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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http://youtu.be/NQpRtwxTXj0

F70 testing at Fiorano.

myhandle

1,187 posts

174 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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kambites said:
Looking at that transparent side-view thing of whatever car that is, I wonder why the engine is mounted so high up?
It's the 599 Hy-Kers Prototype. The 599 has a fairly low mounted engine, so it's probably not a great picture.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/02/ferrari-599-hy-...

Amirhussain

11,489 posts

163 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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Can't wait, going to be awesome, NA V12 FTW!

Dr Z

3,396 posts

171 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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kambites said:
Dr Z said:
I have a feeling, this Ferrari is going to be lot less fussy, aesthetics wise and so might just trump the P1 in terms of looks...
That'd be a first for Ferrari in recent years.
Wouldn't be too hard, I think. The P1 with all its heavy aero bits and roof scoop, although fully functional is a bit too much to digest in terms of looks.

Want to beat the P1 on looks? Easy, don't put a roof scoop on your car!

BlackpoolRock

1,183 posts

152 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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kambites said:
Dr Z said:
I have a feeling, this Ferrari is going to be lot less fussy, aesthetics wise and so might just trump the P1 in terms of looks...
That'd be a first for Ferrari in recent years.
I think the 458 looks and sounds much better than the 12C. If I had the money to buy a car in that bracket I'd go for a 458 every time.

Carnnoisseur

531 posts

154 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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lindrup119 said:
motor mad said:
jon- said:
0-60 is traction limited now, without a set of super sticky cheat tyres, or a very light chassis it's not going to get much better. Isn't an F1 car around 2.5?

Remind me what a GTR does 0-125 in...
True, but remind me what a GTR costs and I can remind myself how often I do 0-125
yes
What could you possibly add? So true....

Froomee

1,423 posts

169 months

Thursday 21st February 2013
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At least cars like the F70, P1 and Porsche 918 are still being made in this day and age....................... one of each if i ever win the Euromillions Rollover biggrin