Fibreglass HT lead socks
Discussion
Hi all,
Several of my extenders have fallen apart on removal and I've been interested in these fibreglass socks that some have fitted.
From my previous thread on ignition servicing, two types were identified:
1. From the USA:
click this
2. From the UK (EBay):
click this
Some have tried Type 1 but found that the standard version burnt through and so recommended the higher temperature version, which I think is the one in Link 1 above ?
It didn't seem that anyone had tried Type 2.
They both seem to take similar temperatures (1000-1200degC), although Type 1 states "Radiant heat" so that's presumably not direct contact, i.e. 'conductive heat'. So maybe they will both still go if come into direct contact with the manifolds.
Type 2 is a little longer at 7 inches, with Type 1 only 6 inches.
Does anyone have any experience of the types above or other, specifically any failures or ones that have lasted a good period of time ?
Thanks.
PS: Now also found these:
click here
which look same as Type 1 but cheaper, still from US.
Several of my extenders have fallen apart on removal and I've been interested in these fibreglass socks that some have fitted.
From my previous thread on ignition servicing, two types were identified:
1. From the USA:
click this
2. From the UK (EBay):
click this
Some have tried Type 1 but found that the standard version burnt through and so recommended the higher temperature version, which I think is the one in Link 1 above ?
It didn't seem that anyone had tried Type 2.
They both seem to take similar temperatures (1000-1200degC), although Type 1 states "Radiant heat" so that's presumably not direct contact, i.e. 'conductive heat'. So maybe they will both still go if come into direct contact with the manifolds.
Type 2 is a little longer at 7 inches, with Type 1 only 6 inches.
Does anyone have any experience of the types above or other, specifically any failures or ones that have lasted a good period of time ?
Thanks.
PS: Now also found these:
click here
which look same as Type 1 but cheaper, still from US.
Edited by taylormj4 on Monday 25th February 11:52
Edited by taylormj4 on Monday 25th February 11:55
I was thinking of making my own (or more correctly getting Mrs. H to do it).
This firm does quite a few different products. They suggest using it double thickness, i.e. turned over itself and then stitched with fireproof thread (ebay). The stuff is so cheap it might be worth a try.
http://www.sleeveit.co.uk/products/sleeve_it_sigb....
or this...
extract of email....I would suggest use of attached product, it is used in this type of
Automotive application
XGR no 4 is available at £1.50 / mt.
Carriage and packaging £10.00
Best Regards,
Glyn
Syke Mill
Belthorn
Belthorn Road
Blackburn
Lancs
BB1 2NN
Tel :- 01254 694733
Fax :- 01254 691521
www.sleeveit.co.uk
www.thermit.co.uk
www.cordgienic.com
This firm does quite a few different products. They suggest using it double thickness, i.e. turned over itself and then stitched with fireproof thread (ebay). The stuff is so cheap it might be worth a try.
http://www.sleeveit.co.uk/products/sleeve_it_sigb....
or this...
extract of email....I would suggest use of attached product, it is used in this type of
Automotive application
XGR no 4 is available at £1.50 / mt.
Carriage and packaging £10.00
Best Regards,
Glyn
Syke Mill
Belthorn
Belthorn Road
Blackburn
Lancs
BB1 2NN
Tel :- 01254 694733
Fax :- 01254 691521
www.sleeveit.co.uk
www.thermit.co.uk
www.cordgienic.com
taylormj4 said:
Hi all,
Several of my extenders have fallen apart on removal and I've been interested in these fibreglass socks that some have fitted.
From my previous thread on ignition servicing, two types were identified:
1. From the USA:
click this
2. From the UK (EBay):
click this
Some have tried Type 1 but found that the standard version burnt through and so recommended the higher temperature version, which I think is the one in Link 1 above ?
It didn't seem that anyone had tried Type 2.
They both seem to take similar temperatures (1000-1200degC), although Type 1 states "Radiant heat" so that's presumably not direct contact, i.e. 'conductive heat'. So maybe they will both still go if come into direct contact with the manifolds.
Type 2 is a little longer at 7 inches, with Type 1 only 6 inches.
Does anyone have any experience of the types above or other, specifically any failures or ones that have lasted a good period of time ?
Thanks.
PS: Now also found these:
click here
which look same as Type 1 but cheaper, still from US.
I have these over my now new extenders they are fine as long as you clip the leads so the don't touch the manifolds, and go to magnacore for the extendersSeveral of my extenders have fallen apart on removal and I've been interested in these fibreglass socks that some have fitted.
From my previous thread on ignition servicing, two types were identified:
1. From the USA:
click this
2. From the UK (EBay):
click this
Some have tried Type 1 but found that the standard version burnt through and so recommended the higher temperature version, which I think is the one in Link 1 above ?
It didn't seem that anyone had tried Type 2.
They both seem to take similar temperatures (1000-1200degC), although Type 1 states "Radiant heat" so that's presumably not direct contact, i.e. 'conductive heat'. So maybe they will both still go if come into direct contact with the manifolds.
Type 2 is a little longer at 7 inches, with Type 1 only 6 inches.
Does anyone have any experience of the types above or other, specifically any failures or ones that have lasted a good period of time ?
Thanks.
PS: Now also found these:
click here
which look same as Type 1 but cheaper, still from US.
Edited by taylormj4 on Monday 25th February 11:52
Edited by taylormj4 on Monday 25th February 11:55
Thanks for responses.
Some form of metallic or shiny outer covering would be a good idea to repel the radiant heat, with the sock on the inside. I guess you could cover them in tin foil ?!
To Hedgehopper: Those look similar to Issue 1 type, which actually appear that they may be folded over and stitched as you say. Although, they have a withstand of over 1000degC, whereas the ones you linked are 200-500degC, so presumably if doubled up: 400-1000degC.
I'm thinking if I could find suitable springs or coils, I could fit these over the leads then the socks over the top. The coils making the leads take a gradual controlled bend up away from the plug, keeping them and the socks away from the exhaust manifolds.
To Discopotatoes: Which type have you fitted, 1 or 2 or something else ? Also when you say go to Magnecore for the extenders, is that because you need non-resistive ones for Magencors ?
Some form of metallic or shiny outer covering would be a good idea to repel the radiant heat, with the sock on the inside. I guess you could cover them in tin foil ?!
To Hedgehopper: Those look similar to Issue 1 type, which actually appear that they may be folded over and stitched as you say. Although, they have a withstand of over 1000degC, whereas the ones you linked are 200-500degC, so presumably if doubled up: 400-1000degC.
I'm thinking if I could find suitable springs or coils, I could fit these over the leads then the socks over the top. The coils making the leads take a gradual controlled bend up away from the plug, keeping them and the socks away from the exhaust manifolds.
To Discopotatoes: Which type have you fitted, 1 or 2 or something else ? Also when you say go to Magnecore for the extenders, is that because you need non-resistive ones for Magencors ?
Edited by taylormj4 on Monday 25th February 16:21
I'm in the process of upgrading my Megasquirt from Fuel Only to Wasted Spark and was advised to avoid using the plug extenders if possible. I've used Moroso HT leads from Realsteel which are cut to length which should prevent any risk of them touching the manifolds. However I am still concerned about readiant heat from from the mainifolds and was going to make my own heat protection 'socks' using this material:
http://www.polevolt.co.uk/acatalog/Cable_Sleeving....
Might just buy the ones in Link 2 though as they have a higher temperature rating and are reasonably priced compared to most of the other ones I have seen.
http://www.polevolt.co.uk/acatalog/Cable_Sleeving....
Might just buy the ones in Link 2 though as they have a higher temperature rating and are reasonably priced compared to most of the other ones I have seen.
BUMP!
As this thread is a couple of years old now, is there now a proven and recommended HT lead heat proof sleeve?
I see there are quite a few on eBay, most rated to 1200 degrees Fahrenheit, but this one is rated to 2000F: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TP1-Thermal-High-Tempera...
This one is quite a bit more expensive than the others...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-CYL-Black-15cm-Spark-Plu...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8pcs-1200-Spark-Plug-Wire-...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/X8-HIGH-HEAT-SHIELD-BLACK-...
Any others I should be looking at?
Thanks,
Dan
As this thread is a couple of years old now, is there now a proven and recommended HT lead heat proof sleeve?
I see there are quite a few on eBay, most rated to 1200 degrees Fahrenheit, but this one is rated to 2000F: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TP1-Thermal-High-Tempera...
This one is quite a bit more expensive than the others...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-CYL-Black-15cm-Spark-Plu...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8pcs-1200-Spark-Plug-Wire-...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/X8-HIGH-HEAT-SHIELD-BLACK-...
Any others I should be looking at?
Thanks,
Dan
Take a look at my proven recipe at the bottom of this page Dan...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...
1. MSD Super Conductor leads
2. MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve over the top
3. DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots over the lot
All this lot isn't what you'd call cheap but buy everything from Summit Racing in the States and the price isn't too prohibitive, especially given the quality of the parts and that they completely solve the problem.
If you do wince at the price just remember the extenders themselves aren't exactly cheap and in my opinion could well cause an issue rather than fixing it.
The MSD Super Conductors are great leads, the plug ends are very heat resistant in themselves.
The MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve adds another line of defense and completely protects the vulnerable part of the lead itself, cut generous lengths from the roll and you'll enjoy lead protection a good 10" up from the plug end.
The DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots are the best plug sock you can buy and are significantly better than the cheap woven fiberglass ones I've used in the past, they are there as a belt and braces third line of defense.
I have been able to completely eliminate the nasty problematic extenders using this system and there's been absolutely zero sign of scorching over an extended period of real world testing.
In my opinion those nasty extenders are the cause of a lot of issues on our cars, issues that often go undiagnosed.
Spend a few quid on the above quality parts to do the job right, and you'll have setup that properly protects the leads and lasts well too.
Best of all you'll be completely eliminating one of the key reasons for individual cylinder ignition failures
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...
1. MSD Super Conductor leads
2. MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve over the top
3. DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots over the lot
All this lot isn't what you'd call cheap but buy everything from Summit Racing in the States and the price isn't too prohibitive, especially given the quality of the parts and that they completely solve the problem.
If you do wince at the price just remember the extenders themselves aren't exactly cheap and in my opinion could well cause an issue rather than fixing it.
The MSD Super Conductors are great leads, the plug ends are very heat resistant in themselves.
The MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve adds another line of defense and completely protects the vulnerable part of the lead itself, cut generous lengths from the roll and you'll enjoy lead protection a good 10" up from the plug end.
The DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots are the best plug sock you can buy and are significantly better than the cheap woven fiberglass ones I've used in the past, they are there as a belt and braces third line of defense.
I have been able to completely eliminate the nasty problematic extenders using this system and there's been absolutely zero sign of scorching over an extended period of real world testing.
In my opinion those nasty extenders are the cause of a lot of issues on our cars, issues that often go undiagnosed.
Spend a few quid on the above quality parts to do the job right, and you'll have setup that properly protects the leads and lasts well too.
Best of all you'll be completely eliminating one of the key reasons for individual cylinder ignition failures
ChimpOnGas said:
Take a look at my proven recipe at the bottom of this page Dan...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...
1. MSD Super Conductor leads
2. MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve over the top
3. DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots over the lot
All this lot isn't what you'd call cheap but buy everything from Summit Racing in the States and the price isn't too prohibitive, especially given the quality of the parts and that they completely solve the problem.
If you do wince at the price just remember the extenders themselves aren't exactly cheap and in my opinion could well cause an issue rather than fixing it.
The MSD Super Conductors are great leads, the plug ends are very heat resistant in themselves.
The MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve adds another line of defense and completely protects the vulnerable part of the lead itself, cut generous lengths from the roll and you'll enjoy lead protection a good 10" up from the plug end.
The DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots are the best plug sock you can buy and are significantly better than the cheap woven fiberglass ones I've used in the past, they are there as a belt and braces third line of defense.
I have been able to completely eliminate the nasty problematic extenders using this system and there's been absolutely zero sign of scorching over an extended period of real world testing.
In my opinion those nasty extenders are the cause of a lot of issues on our cars, issues that often go undiagnosed.
Spend a few quid on the above quality parts to do the job right, and you'll have setup that properly protects the leads and lasts well too.
Best of all you'll be completely eliminating one of the key reasons for individual cylinder ignition failures
Thanks. I’ll keep my new leads for the time being, but I like the MSD Pro Boot and the titanium heat shields. I have just found out that Real Steel keep the MSD Pro Boot in stock and it’s £50 for 6’, so I’ll probably order it from them, as I need it for next week. I may buy these heat shields, as they are also titanium and look very similar to the American ones you have fitted. They certainly look better than the Chinese fibreglass ones: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TP1-Thermal-High-Tempera...http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...
1. MSD Super Conductor leads
2. MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve over the top
3. DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots over the lot
All this lot isn't what you'd call cheap but buy everything from Summit Racing in the States and the price isn't too prohibitive, especially given the quality of the parts and that they completely solve the problem.
If you do wince at the price just remember the extenders themselves aren't exactly cheap and in my opinion could well cause an issue rather than fixing it.
The MSD Super Conductors are great leads, the plug ends are very heat resistant in themselves.
The MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve adds another line of defense and completely protects the vulnerable part of the lead itself, cut generous lengths from the roll and you'll enjoy lead protection a good 10" up from the plug end.
The DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots are the best plug sock you can buy and are significantly better than the cheap woven fiberglass ones I've used in the past, they are there as a belt and braces third line of defense.
I have been able to completely eliminate the nasty problematic extenders using this system and there's been absolutely zero sign of scorching over an extended period of real world testing.
In my opinion those nasty extenders are the cause of a lot of issues on our cars, issues that often go undiagnosed.
Spend a few quid on the above quality parts to do the job right, and you'll have setup that properly protects the leads and lasts well too.
Best of all you'll be completely eliminating one of the key reasons for individual cylinder ignition failures
I have priced up the boot material and the heat shields at Summit Racing and with shipping and duty it’s coming to around about £130. They’re £50 plus delivery at Real Steel, plus £55.60 for the heat shield socks, so a little bit cheaper and hopefully I’ll get them sooner!
I use this company for all things leads ,plug caps etc including the socks . Can't find them on the site but give him a call, excellent customer service he sorts both my race cars etc and a really helpful chap
http://www.formulapower.com/
http://www.formulapower.com/
ChimpOnGas said:
Take a look at my proven recipe at the bottom of this page Dan...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...
1. MSD Super Conductor leads
2. MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve over the top
3. DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots over the lot
All this lot isn't what you'd call cheap but buy everything from Summit Racing in the States and the price isn't too prohibitive, especially given the quality of the parts and that they completely solve the problem.
If you do wince at the price just remember the extenders themselves aren't exactly cheap and in my opinion could well cause an issue rather than fixing it.
The MSD Super Conductors are great leads, the plug ends are very heat resistant in themselves.
The MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve adds another line of defense and completely protects the vulnerable part of the lead itself, cut generous lengths from the roll and you'll enjoy lead protection a good 10" up from the plug end.
The DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots are the best plug sock you can buy and are significantly better than the cheap woven fiberglass ones I've used in the past, they are there as a belt and braces third line of defense.
I have been able to completely eliminate the nasty problematic extenders using this system and there's been absolutely zero sign of scorching over an extended period of real world testing.
In my opinion those nasty extenders are the cause of a lot of issues on our cars, issues that often go undiagnosed.
Spend a few quid on the above quality parts to do the job right, and you'll have setup that properly protects the leads and lasts well too.
Best of all you'll be completely eliminating one of the key reasons for individual cylinder ignition failures
Hi, i already asked this question in a different post so sorry if you already read it!http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...
1. MSD Super Conductor leads
2. MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve over the top
3. DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots over the lot
All this lot isn't what you'd call cheap but buy everything from Summit Racing in the States and the price isn't too prohibitive, especially given the quality of the parts and that they completely solve the problem.
If you do wince at the price just remember the extenders themselves aren't exactly cheap and in my opinion could well cause an issue rather than fixing it.
The MSD Super Conductors are great leads, the plug ends are very heat resistant in themselves.
The MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve adds another line of defense and completely protects the vulnerable part of the lead itself, cut generous lengths from the roll and you'll enjoy lead protection a good 10" up from the plug end.
The DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots are the best plug sock you can buy and are significantly better than the cheap woven fiberglass ones I've used in the past, they are there as a belt and braces third line of defense.
I have been able to completely eliminate the nasty problematic extenders using this system and there's been absolutely zero sign of scorching over an extended period of real world testing.
In my opinion those nasty extenders are the cause of a lot of issues on our cars, issues that often go undiagnosed.
Spend a few quid on the above quality parts to do the job right, and you'll have setup that properly protects the leads and lasts well too.
Best of all you'll be completely eliminating one of the key reasons for individual cylinder ignition failures
I have this EXACT same setup (except lava socks in place of titanium). I had some light smoke on first going out of the socket/boot at startup. Have you got this happen too and should i try to insist to see it stop or is there a problem sonewhere?
ChimpOnGas said:
No smoke from my system, even from new.
1. MSD Super Conductor leads
2. MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve over the top
3. DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots over the lot
Ok 1 and 2 for me too so maybe your number 3 is far better than mine....you say somewhere that they replaced cheaper ones and even if lasted shorter they didnt smoked at all too! I m perplex i really want to enjoy the car and after the work i m finding i ll maybe have to plug back the extenders!1. MSD Super Conductor leads
2. MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve over the top
3. DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots over the lot
Lolo256 said:
ChimpOnGas said:
No smoke from my system, even from new.
1. MSD Super Conductor leads
2. MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve over the top
3. DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots over the lot
Ok 1 and 2 for me too so maybe your number 3 is far better than mine....you say somewhere that they replaced cheaper ones and even if lasted shorter they didnt smoked at all too! I m perplex i really want to enjoy the car and after the work i m finding i ll maybe have to plug back the extenders!1. MSD Super Conductor leads
2. MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve over the top
3. DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots over the lot
The colour bleached out of the fiberglass ones and they weren't as heat resistant as the DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots.either, but neither the DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots or the cheap fiberglass socks smoked, ever!
ChimpOnGas said:
I had cheap fiberglass socks before I upgraded to the far superior DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots.
The colour bleached out of the fiberglass ones and they weren't as heat resistant as the DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots.either, but neither the DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots or the cheap fiberglass socks smoked, ever!
Ok thx so they should not be the problem nor obviously 1 and 2... i changed the spark plugs as well as wires at the same time but bit even is a bit of residue get out i think it will not be smoking for reoeated times like it s the case. I also just did a oil change but the smoke really like to come from the plug/plug assembly.The colour bleached out of the fiberglass ones and they weren't as heat resistant as the DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots.either, but neither the DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots or the cheap fiberglass socks smoked, ever!
I took the plug wire out a few sec after cutting the engine and the msd boot seems at 60celsius the wire msd connector itself maybe 40! It really dont seams to have suffet from heat but the smoke still there and i think driving it like that could be a bad idea? No fire without smoke!?!
Why it s always harder for me!!! I bough the chim to try forget my homebuild turbo miata that i could not find the problem too...hard to explain to the wife why two two seater but two two sitter not working!!!
I want to try a longer road test because i would not see what could really catch fire there (plugs cap are protected by two layers and still not hot AT ALL) but it should not smoke too so i m a bit emarassed....
I want to try a longer road test because i would not see what could really catch fire there (plugs cap are protected by two layers and still not hot AT ALL) but it should not smoke too so i m a bit emarassed....
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