RE: PH2: WSB Phillip Island

RE: PH2: WSB Phillip Island

Monday 25th February 2013

World Superbikes Australia: PH2

There may be snow outside back home but the World Superbikes are back up and racing down under



After a winter staring at re-runs of old races, it’s time for some new track action! This weekend saw the first WSB race of the 2013 season at Phillip Island. With Max Biaggi retired (a move that has halved the average age of WSB riders) as well as a whole host of Brits on top bikes, 2013 could well see a Brit WSB champion for the first time since James Toseland in 2007.

There were many questions waiting to be answered when the Aussie flag dropped, however Carlos Checa silenced the critics by sticking the Ducati Panigale on pole in its first ever race. Amazing work by the Spaniard, maybe that monocoque chassis ain’t that bad after all Valentino

Guintoli took the honours in the first race...
Guintoli took the honours in the first race...
With riders complaining of increased tyre wear and sketchy grip on the recently resurfaced track, race one was guaranteed to throw up a few surprises. Especially as the Pirelli tyres seemed to only last 15-17 laps, when the race was 22…

Off the line and anyone who has ever tried to quarter mile a Panigale will sympathise with Checa who lost his advantage after getting air under the front wheel. Eugene Laverty took full advantage and hit the front with Tom Sykes (just like last season) behind and a very fired-up looking Haslam in third.

In its first outing the Panigale was looking predictably fast but despite Checa breezing past Haslam on the start/finish straight, the Brit had more faith in the Honda’s front end into the first turn. Where have we heard that before? Behind them Chaz Davies was busy showing why BMW snapped him up, leading his team mate Melandri in sixth spot, while Sykes (with a broken wrist) clung onto fifth and Rea and Camier battled for 10th.

Mid-race and the man on the move was Sylvain Guintoli, who slipped past Checa to take second place behind team mate Laverty, while Melandri looked to have woken up, overtaking Haslam for fourth spot. Then it all went wrong as Checa out-braked himself into the hairpin, taking out Melandri in the process.

...but it was Laverty's weekend
...but it was Laverty's weekend
With such a gap opened up, the race was now effectively between the two Aprilias, with everyone else fighting for third spot. PH2 likes Guinters and who can begrudge him a win on his first race for the factory team? Well, apart from possibly the Suzuki WSB squad, who thought they had signed him for 2013…  An Aprilia one, two and three. Who would have thought it?

Race two and with Sykes taking the lead Guintoli decided to make it easier work this time by slotting into second. After a great first race it all went to pieces for Chaz in race two after being involved in a first lap incident with Kawasaki’s Loris Baz while Haslam was having a nightmare of his own back 16th. A few laps in and it was once again an Aprilia factory team one-two with Guintoli leading Laverty and Melandri on his BMW in close attendance.

Half-race, and the three became four as Fabrizio joined the party. It was always going to come down to a last lap battle and sure enough, one to go and although Laverty led the way, Guintoli was on his heels. The Irishman hung on despite some determined riding from his teammate to make it another Aprilia one-two with BMW’s Melandri ruining the Aprilia weekend lock-out.


Results:

Race one
1. Guintoli (Aprilia Racing Team)
2. Laverty (Aprilia Racing Team)
3. Fabrizio (Red Devils Roma)

Race two
1. Laverty (Aprilia Racing Team)
2. Guintoli (Aprilia Racing Team)
3. Melandri (BMW Motorrad Goldbet SBK)

Championship place
1: Laverty (Aprilia Racing Team)
2: Guintoli (Aprilia Racing Team)
3: Fabrizio (Red Devils Roma)

Brit watch (race one/race two)
Eugene Laverty (Red Devils Roma) – 2/1
Tom Sykes (Kawasaki Racing Team) – 5/5
Leon Camier (Fixi Crescent Suzuki) – 9/9
Leon Haslam (Pata Honda World Superbike) – 7/10
Jonathan Rea (Pata Honda World Superbike) – 8/8
Chaz Davies (BMW Motorrad Goldbet SBK) – 4/17

Author
Discussion

jason61c

Original Poster:

5,978 posts

175 months

Monday 25th February 2013
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Can I ask why you're comparing WSB and MotoGP frames with the Rossi comment?

MJDM

1,048 posts

180 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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jason61c said:
Can I ask why you're comparing WSB and MotoGP frames with the Rossi comment?
This. Comparing what is essentially a modified road bike to a prototype machine in a different racing class is a bit silly...

jeffw

845 posts

229 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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The Panigale shares no chassis components with last years Ducati MotoGP bike so the Rossi dig is stupid really. Shame as I really enjoyed the WorldWBK races.

RemaL

24,973 posts

235 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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jeffw said:
The Panigale shares no chassis components with last years Ducati MotoGP bike so the Rossi dig is stupid really. Shame as I really enjoyed the WorldWBK races.
I would not say it was a dig but as you posted. The bikes are nothing alike so how can u compare 1 against the other.

smilo996

2,795 posts

171 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Only silly in as far as Stoner could ride the Ducati, Checa can ride a less powerfult bike with the same chassis tech but Rossi could not ride it & Burgess attempts to make the Ducati into the M1, failed dismally. Apart from that no reason.
Note to track contractors. make your asphalt consistent & put some cars on it to bed it in before allowing fast bike & riders to injure themselves in spades do that work for you.
Well done Aprilliaaa & unfortunate Checa.

egor110

16,878 posts

204 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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smilo996 said:
Only silly in as far as Stoner could ride the Ducati, Checa can ride a less powerfult bike with the same chassis tech but Rossi could not ride it & Burgess attempts to make the Ducati into the M1, failed dismally. Apart from that no reason.
Note to track contractors. make your asphalt consistent & put some cars on it to bed it in before allowing fast bike & riders to injure themselves in spades do that work for you.
Well done Aprilliaaa & unfortunate Checa.
Wsbk weren't the first bike's to use the track, couple weeks ago they had classic bike racing.

MrKipling43

5,788 posts

217 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Oh good, this rubbish AGAIN.

smilo996 said:
Only silly in as far as Stoner could ride the Ducati, Checa can ride a less powerfult bike with the same chassis tech but Rossi could not ride it & Burgess attempts to make the Ducati into the M1, failed dismally. Apart from that no reason.
Apart from what exactly? Nothing up to 'Apart from that no reason' bears any resemblance to anything else you've written, it's just a collection of statements.

Stoner could ride the Ducati (from 2007 to 2009) - true

Rossi couldn't ride the Ducati (in 2011 and 2012) - true, but doesn't mean anything in the context of the above. It's like saying 'Damon Hill won the Championship in a Williams in 1996 but Jenson came 8th in 2000 in a Williams therefore Jenson can't drive'. Or, in other words, total rubbish.

Checa can ride a less powerfully bike with the same chassis tech - is like comparing driving an F1 with an McLaren 12C

Burgess attempts to make the Ducati into the M1 and failed dismally - because Ducati wouldn't let him.

Vorious

3 posts

135 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Why, when it even so clearly states in the story that Eugene is an Irishman & rides under the tri colour & has the Irish national anthem played when he wins, is he included in 'Brit watch'!?

srob

11,623 posts

239 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Jeez, every other comment is criticising the column rather than talking about the racing. Welcome to PH.

MJDM

1,048 posts

180 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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srob said:
Jeez, every other comment is criticising the column rather than talking about the racing. Welcome to PH.
The comment comparing a WSBK chassis to a MotoGP one is so ridiculous that it's hard to take the rest of the column seriously. Of course the racing is awesome!

srob

11,623 posts

239 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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MJDM said:
The comment comparing a WSBK chassis to a MotoGP one is so ridiculous that it's hard to take the rest of the column seriously. Of course the racing is awesome!
I suspect it's a tongue in cheek jibe. Do people really need a little smiley/winky face to be able to tell that now?!

Remember that Jon Urry (the author of the piece) did go and ride a factory WSB BMW last year, so I suspect he knows the difference between the classes!

sprinter1050

11,550 posts

228 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Sometimes we BB brethren can perhaps be a little pedantic about some of these PH2 articles biggrin:

As Srob says the authors are generally well-versed, experienced bikers as well as journos though even they can be prone to a bit of mis-interpretation at times. I imagine that the brief inputs to PH2 are a small part of their output to generate a living.

I remember a few years back a certain Bertie Simmonds posted in here asking for a bit of info about people's bikes etc-as research for an article he was writing. He practically got driven off with responses like "Who the F are you?" or "How do we know who you are?" Don't think he ever came back.

He's a freelance journo, bike tester, past MCN staff (I think)& I suspect a real down-to-earth bloke- & a name known to old codgers like me.

MJDM

1,048 posts

180 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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srob said:
MJDM said:
The comment comparing a WSBK chassis to a MotoGP one is so ridiculous that it's hard to take the rest of the column seriously. Of course the racing is awesome!
I suspect it's a tongue in cheek jibe. Do people really need a little smiley/winky face to be able to tell that now?!

Remember that Jon Urry (the author of the piece) did go and ride a factory WSB BMW last year, so I suspect he knows the difference between the classes!
Fair play. Maybe we should all lighten up after all. biggrin

jason61c

Original Poster:

5,978 posts

175 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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smilo996 said:
Only silly in as far as Stoner could ride the Ducati, Checa can ride a less powerfult bike with the same chassis tech but Rossi could not ride it & Burgess attempts to make the Ducati into the M1, failed dismally. Apart from that no reason.
Do you follow much bike racing? Rossi and Burgess were stuck with Italian thinking when it came to speedy development. The new bike has nothing to do with a motogp bike. Why would they when there was only one person in the world that could ride it?



tight5

2,747 posts

160 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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Vorious said:
Why, when it even so clearly states in the story that Eugene is an Irishman & rides under the tri colour & has the Irish national anthem played when he wins, is he included in 'Brit watch'!?
coz he was born in northern island ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Laverty

i think he gets the irish flag and anthem because he chose to have an irish race licence .

macdeb

8,512 posts

256 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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sleep
Can't get the WSB/MOTGP link confused race was,, dare i say,,,, boring. Don't get the Laverty being northern and displaying southern ?? [unless I've missed something] Good on Guinters! what a bloody nice bloke! Well deserved. imo.

ludicrous speed

959 posts

195 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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checa's qualifying time : 1:30.2
rossi 2012 qualy time : 1:31.7
hayden 2011 : 1:30.7

something is seriously wrong with that gp bike!

John D.

17,891 posts

210 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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ludicrous speed said:
checa's qualifying time : 1:30.2
rossi 2012 qualy time : 1:31.7
hayden 2011 : 1:30.7

something is seriously wrong with that gp bike!
New track surface was grippier and thus quicker. Think the WSBK boys were setting new lap records all weekend (and then wearing their tyres out).

Personally I was a bit disappointed with the races I saw. Bit dull compared to how good some of last season was. Didn't help Checa being knocked out of course.

tight5

2,747 posts

160 months

Tuesday 26th February 2013
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John D. said:
New track surface was grippier and thus quicker.
and smoother !

there was a lot of complaints about the bumps in the track for the last couple of years .