RE: Mercedes SLS AMG Electric Drive: Driven

RE: Mercedes SLS AMG Electric Drive: Driven

Friday 1st March 2013

Mercedes SLS AMG Electric Drive: Driven

Chris goes sideways in an SLS - business as usual? Not when it's an electric one



I have driven a Tesla sports car two times - the first was educational and surprising, the second ended with a pair of black lines stretching 50 yards down a quiet country road. The initial acceleration was so intense that the tyres just couldn't cope.

But the limitations of the Tesla were the limitations of the car on which it was based, the Lotus Elise.

Different modes have a dramatic effect
Different modes have a dramatic effect
Post-Tesla the world went electric sports car mad. Audi gave us the E-Tron, Ferrari spoofed a 599 with a few Duracells under the cabin floor and pretty much everyone said they'd have an electric performance car on sale before long. But as things stand, only Mercedes AMG has managed to follow the rhetoric with some actions.

The SLS Electric Drive will go into production in May and the first customers will take delivery in July. The car has a claimed 740hp, 737lb ft of torque and a top speed limited to 155mph.

Same but (very) different
This is not an electric car like the others I've come across. The bodywork looks to be stock SLS but the carbon backbone chassis underneath houses twelve battery modules with 72 cells. And this is where we call need to start using a new vocabulary - that of the fast electric car. It has an energy content of 60 kilowatt hours and can withstand an electric load of 600 kilowatts. To my petrol-addled ears this description makes it sound like an especially potent pair of loudspeakers, but attention is regained once again by the claim of 0-62mph in 3.9 seconds.

There's a lot to take in and get your head around
There's a lot to take in and get your head around
The other dramatic spec-change over a standard SLS is the front suspension: the damper won't allow a front driveshaft so it's been completely redesigned as a push-rod system.

Mercedes claims the car will manage 175 miles on a full charge if driven carefully and that 125 miles could be expected if you use some more of that torque. Computer simulations show that the car would run two full laps of the Nordschleife flat-out, but not complete a third. The target lap time is under eight minutes - which is punchy give the car weighs 2,200kg. The batteries alone weigh 548kg.

Early adopters
This is of course a rolling showcase for future technologies as much as a sports car to stand comparison against fossil powered equivalents. It is the very cutting-edge of battery, motor and torque-vectoring technology and yet in terms of kerbweight, range and cost (nearly £400K) it remains uncompetitive with its immediate rivals in the sector.

They're looking at an eight-minute 'ring lap
They're looking at an eight-minute 'ring lap
All of that goes out the window the moment you pull back the familiar SLS gear lever into D and gingerly prod the accelerator. The car creeps the first few yards in its Comfort setting and swooshes forwards as you try and find a correlation between right foot movement and acceleration. The throttle pedal travel is long and the car is limited to just 590hp in this and Sport mode, and top speed is pegged at 125mph. There are two 'sound modes'. One provides a kind of new-age soundtrack through the 11 speakers and is part-Tron, part real-time representation of how the car is moving. It's very subtle and I barely noticed it, mostly because the car itself was busy blowing my mind. You can switch it off completely if you wish.

Comfort gives way to Sport mode, which gives a tighter chassis response through the torque vectoring system and sharper steering The headlines are all about the SLS's electric powertrain, but the chassis systems are just as impressive and certainly more pertinent to the way cars will be engineered in the near future.

No V8 but the numbers come up just as fast
No V8 but the numbers come up just as fast
Jekyll and Hyde
Because each wheel has its own motor and gearbox the car can accurately control individual wheel speed in any situation, and this means the chassis team can programme all manner of chassis behaviour, feel and character into the car. So whereas a conventional sports car chassis offers different levels of electronic intervention and perhaps damper stiffness, the SLS feels profoundly different in Comfort than it does in Sport Plus. The steering, power delivery and grip front-to-rear seem to belong to two completely different cars.

Sport Plus is the mode you really want. Full power, full torque, 155mph and slip angles: this car will paint black lines in the dry. It hides its mass very well because the centre of gravity is low and in the centre of the car. The standard SLS Michelins tend to let go at the front first, but the torque-vectoring gamely tries to keep everything neutral - the only problem being that your inputs to trim the car's line sometimes conflict with the computer's. But you quickly learn to adapt to what it wants and doesn't want. And then it dawns on you that you're driving an electric car very, very fast. The carbon ceramic discs that felt supreme in the 1,650kg standard car are at their absolute limit in this one.

No V8? No problem
Switch the traction control off and it's a monster. I mainly drove it in the wet and you could pull monstrous slides - a completely surreal experience with zero engine noise. Straightening the car back into line after the slide was challenging because the computer wants to get involved, but again you learn to adapt.

As for battery life - well, we hooned about using all the performance for an hour and consumed around 65 per cent of the charge. I didn't expect it to last that long. Based on that the 125-claimed range in normal driving seems perfectly achievable, driven slowly that rises to around 175 miles.

I still can't believe that Mercedes AMG has delivered on the promise with this car. It will go into production in May and will cost around £400K. That is crazy money for most of us, but it previews what will be possible very soon. It is the fastest electric car ever made and it happens to offer all the comfort, practicality and style of an SLS. It's unlike anything I've driven before and it left me grinning like a child. Electric cars shouldn't do that.


MERCEDES SLS AMG ELECTRIC DRIVE
Engine:
4x electric motors, 72-cell lithium-ion 60kwh battery
Transmission: One per axle
Power (hp): 740 (combined)
Torque (lb ft): 649 (combined)
0-62mph: 3.9sec
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: c. 2,200kg
Range: c. 155miles
CO2: 0g/km
Price: c. £400K

 

 

Author
Discussion

M@1975

Original Poster:

591 posts

227 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
An amazing demonstration of what is possible now and what will come in the future, still find the whole idea of doing this with no engine noise very very alien.

kambites

67,554 posts

221 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
It sounds like a fantastic technical showcase, and I'm sure they'll find homes for them even at £400k.

To me, this is a much more interesting car than the new Mclaren or Ferrari hypercars.

jonby

5,357 posts

157 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
I get the fact that it's interesting. Also that it's a very impressive achievement. And that this is just the start before things get better & cheaper. I even get the fact it's fun to drive.

But at £400k, I just don't get who might want to buy one apart from eccentric, car mad, environmentalists (if there are such a thing) or Hollywood A listers for PR reasons. At least the small, slow, cr*p electric city cars have a point driving around said small city, however one assumes no-one will buy the electric SLS for that

But no matter how good all of the things above are and despite the real world range as tested being more impressive than many of us, including CH, would have expected, what on earth do you do when the charge runs out ? What about if you are caught out unexpectedly (i.e. away from home) when the charge runs out ? How long does it take to charge ? How do you do a road trip ? As I say, why would anyone buy one ?

I also don't see how a 2.2 ton car with 548kg giant batteries (which must be incredibly environmentally unfriendly to make and then to charge thru ultimately, predominantly coal fired power stations) is greener than a small, light, slow powered petrol engine car. Or why we aren't being encouraged to run our cars for longer, which ultimately must be less damaging than constantly buying new cars which pollute the environment far more in their production than slightly older less CO2 friendly cars being run for longer




ocrx8

868 posts

196 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
Looks great - start of a new era?

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
It's a strange experience the first time you drive a high authority torque vectoring chassis, as you have to try to remember NOT to turn into any slides (over or understeer!). In effect the system is taking handwheel angle as it's target yaw command so you have to remember to simply turn the wheel to where you want to go and no more/less. The complication comes at the point where dynamic momentum overcomes tractive effort tyre slip. Here the body slip angles are diven by inertial forces too strong for the system to resolve, and at this point you DO have to turn into a side to prevent excessive yaw occuring. As the drivers in the WRC found, it's best to be less active with the handwheel and drive the car inside a fairly narrow bodyslip window.

dinkel

26,939 posts

258 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
The sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ8T96u_lw0

Portimao onboard Mercedes SLS AMG "World Challenge" Spec with Olly Bryant.

It goes without saying Olli is one of my fav drivers!

V8 FOU

2,973 posts

147 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
jonby said:
I get the fact that it's interesting. Also that it's a very impressive achievement. And that this is just the start before things get better & cheaper. I even get the fact it's fun to drive.

But at £400k, I just don't get who might want to buy one apart from eccentric, car mad, environmentalists (if there are such a thing) or Hollywood A listers for PR reasons. At least the small, slow, cr*p electric city cars have a point driving around said small city, however one assumes no-one will buy the electric SLS for that

But no matter how good all of the things above are and despite the real world range as tested being more impressive than many of us, including CH, would have expected, what on earth do you do when the charge runs out ? What about if you are caught out unexpectedly (i.e. away from home) when the charge runs out ? How long does it take to charge ? How do you do a road trip ? As I say, why would anyone buy one ?

I also don't see how a 2.2 ton car with 548kg giant batteries (which must be incredibly environmentally unfriendly to make and then to charge thru ultimately, predominantly coal fired power stations) is greener than a small, light, slow powered petrol engine car. Or why we aren't being encouraged to run our cars for longer, which ultimately must be less damaging than constantly buying new cars which pollute the environment far more in their production than slightly older less CO2 friendly cars being run for longer
Agree.
I s'pose you could carry a small generator for "emergencies" - hmmm, isn't that a Hybrid?

Over the next few years you can picture people knocking on a strangers door with a plug in their hand!

McWigglebum3rd

32,414 posts

204 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
But what if you live in a bedsit with no parking?

How will you be able to charge your £400K sportscar to get to your job as a pizza delivery man

swilding

555 posts

250 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
Glad you enjoyed it Chris wink

andytommo

7 posts

252 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
I'm a car mad environmentalist!- All of us want to think of our children getting around in super clean cars without killing the polar ice caps and polar bears.

I think it looks awesome. Thanks Chris for giving it an unbiassed review too (apart from the speakers bit which I can forgive you for.)

I'm really pleased that this car has been made too-It shows what can be done and its very exciting. Its also so clean that you could park it in your living room! Every car lover would like to do that. There would be no nasty fuel/gas to leak out and no oil to drip on your carpet.

Okay Chris, you need to get in touch with Mercedes Finance and get your self a £400k lease purchase agreement on one of these babies. Then you can run one long term and tell us all about it! Also obviously talk them into tricking it out with some of the body kit from the SLS GT3 racer.



Edited by andytommo on Friday 1st March 19:12

405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
Surely the problem here is that it's a largely pointless exercise?

We can no more generate power/dig-up enough rare materials for batteries than we can dig-up oil - electric cars are just moving pollution (which is OK because it makes it easier to control) and changing the supply-chain a bit - they're no more sustainable long-term and it's hard to see them ever replacing IC for enthusiast cars...

Car manufacturers resisted electric power for a long time - I suspect their interest now is more in taking some subsidies and avoiding some taxes rather than actually finding a sustainable solution to their problems.

Last year, for the first time in history, less fuel was used in the UK than in the year before. That is some progress of course - but it's nowhere near enough.

Things like this are showcases - Tesla/Fisker is praying enough people feel guilty enough to buy their cars - everyone else is just praying no-one notices it's just a blind surely?


kambites

67,554 posts

221 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
405dogvan said:
Surely the problem here is that it's a largely pointless exercise?
All supercars are pointless. That's sort of the point.

wst

3,494 posts

161 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
Max_Torque said:
As the drivers in the WRC found, it's best to be less active with the handwheel and drive the car inside a fairly narrow bodyslip window.
So basically rally drivers are ok to slide while they're in a state where they just point the front wheels at the exit of the corner and stamp on the right hand pedal, but if they are having to countersteer further than 'point the front wheels at the exit' they are going to slow themselves down?

bsvensso

22 posts

141 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
These more or less experimental cars from the big manufacturers are of course fun, even though they don't really have to worry about the viability of them because there won't be many made, or sold.

But the electrics are coming, make no mistake, because the Tesla Model S has shown how it should be done. Same performance as the Merc (Better then an F10 M5!), 4 seats and a quarter of the price and you can at least drive for half a day before charging.
Now, if we could only get as many re-charging stations as there are petrol stations it would be a no brainer!
But given that you can charge at home and probably at work you are already covered for the vast majority of driving.

Hmm, maybe you could force all petrol stations to also setup charging points... wink

jonby

5,357 posts

157 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
405dogvan said:
We can no more generate power/dig-up enough rare materials for batteries than we can dig-up oil - electric cars are just moving pollution (which is OK because it makes it easier to control) and changing the supply-chain a bit - they're no more sustainable long-term and it's hard to see them ever replacing IC for enthusiast cars...
exactly my point - it's for people that kid themselves on the 'out of sight, out of mind' principle - it looks clean so lets forget about the bigger picture !

RandomTask

139 posts

182 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
But electricity can be generated sustainably (assuming we have enough raw materials for solar panels/batteries etc). For instance Scotland generate 35% of their electricity from renewables and more and more people are installing 4kw solar systems on their roofs.

But they still need to sort out the range, charging time, availability of charging sockets, price and battery lifetime before they become a mass market product.


anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
wst said:
Max_Torque said:
As the drivers in the WRC found, it's best to be less active with the handwheel and drive the car inside a fairly narrow bodyslip window.
So basically rally drivers are ok to slide while they're in a state where they just point the front wheels at the exit of the corner and stamp on the right hand pedal, but if they are having to countersteer further than 'point the front wheels at the exit' they are going to slow themselves down?
Pretty much exactly that! Of course we are back to passive transmissions in the current WRC cars, so you'll occasionally still see some big slip angle on the entry to a corner. Especially if the setup is a bit off and the driver is having to work at getting the nose into the corners a bit ;-)

wst

3,494 posts

161 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
Max_Torque said:
wst said:
Max_Torque said:
As the drivers in the WRC found, it's best to be less active with the handwheel and drive the car inside a fairly narrow bodyslip window.
So basically rally drivers are ok to slide while they're in a state where they just point the front wheels at the exit of the corner and stamp on the right hand pedal, but if they are having to countersteer further than 'point the front wheels at the exit' they are going to slow themselves down?
Pretty much exactly that! Of course we are back to passive transmissions in the current WRC cars, so you'll occasionally still see some big slip angle on the entry to a corner. Especially if the setup is a bit off and the driver is having to work at getting the nose into the corners a bit ;-)
What a pity tongue out So I take it that this kind of thing is what people meant when they said that Colin McRae was better suited to the Impreza than later on in his career because he kept fighting the computers?

Edited by wst on Friday 1st March 17:33

ItsJustARide

108 posts

157 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
405dogvan said:
Surely the problem here is that it's a largely pointless exercise?

We can no more generate power/dig-up enough rare materials for batteries than we can dig-up oil - electric cars are just moving pollution (which is OK because it makes it easier to control) and changing the supply-chain a bit - they're no more sustainable long-term and it's hard to see them ever replacing IC for enthusiast cars...

Car manufacturers resisted electric power for a long time - I suspect their interest now is more in taking some subsidies and avoiding some taxes rather than actually finding a sustainable solution to their problems.

Last year, for the first time in history, less fuel was used in the UK than in the year before. That is some progress of course - but it's nowhere near enough.

Things like this are showcases - Tesla/Fisker is praying enough people feel guilty enough to buy their cars - everyone else is just praying no-one notices it's just a blind surely?
Good point as battery technology stands. However it is my understanding that there are some new battery technologies that promise far better battery characteristics (speed of charge, capacity etc) whilst using materials that are far less rare and far less environmentally unfriendly.

One that has been promising just this for a good few years is EESTOR . For a long time general opinion said they were never going to be able to deliver but a recent independent test suggests they might actually be able to come good. But there are others anyway.

I feel confident that someone will make a huge leap in battery technology in the next few years. By then the big manufacturers will have the rest of the technology ready to drop the new batteries in to.

Then all we need is nuclear fusion to be nailed and we're laughing.

How hard can it be? :-)

405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Friday 1st March 2013
quotequote all
kambites said:
405dogvan said:
Surely the problem here is that it's a largely pointless exercise?
All supercars are pointless. That's sort of the point.
OK, the wrong sort of pointless then...

AMG could make a car out of cheese - or apples (the local produce where they're based?) - but that's not the sort of supercar we want, is it?

Right now we don't have a sustainable alternative for petrol/diesel - biofuels aren't it, electric power is screwed by the weight and cost of batteries and hydrogen is still 'pie in the sky'.

All these cars are is a distraction - a "look here - a fluffy bunny" trick - we shouldn't buy into it.

Ideally, as petrol heads, our best tack is to push people into little 3 cylinder diesels so we can keep driving V8s and V12s with impunity - just tell them how many bunnies they're saving on the windscreen...

DON'T get them started on electric cars - there are few enough petrol stations as it is!!