Odd intake manifold
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Evoluzione

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267 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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So what's that all about then?










From a Toyota engine (2ltr N/A MR2 Mk2 and others). Seems a long way to go to chase noise suppression which is what I believe it's got that extra chamber on there for. I can't see how there would be any performance advantage?
Any ideas?

stevieturbo

17,987 posts

271 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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tuned intake lengths and high port velocities.

Evoluzione

Original Poster:

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267 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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stevieturbo said:
tuned intake lengths and high port velocities.
look closer.

stevesingo

5,024 posts

246 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Possibly for homologation purposes, allowing the race car to use the shorter routing with a additional parts not required to be homologated.

DVandrews

1,379 posts

307 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Variable length induction...?

Dav

garagewidow

1,502 posts

194 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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harmonic chamber,wave reflection?the seperate chamber looks to have no inlet of its own.

Evoluzione

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267 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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I think it's called ACIS - Acoustic Control Induction System, but I can't understand how it works.
When I first looked at it I thought the same as you, that it was a variable induction system whereby the air was directed over two different lengths by the butterflies.

However looking closer it doesn't seem to work like that, the butterflies open up to a closed sealed chamber so can only assume it's noise suppression - bloody complicated way of doing it if it is!

Whether the butterflies are open or closed the air still gets drawn in through the same route.

I did ponder over Homologation, but it's an N/A motor so not sure that's relevant. I don't think they ever rallied an MR2 either....

Kind of get the feeling that Garagewidow is closest at the moment.....

Edited by Evoluzione on Tuesday 26th March 21:58

anonymous-user

78 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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Google "Helmholtz resonator" and all will be revealed!

Modern engines haven't just accidentally got nice flat speed independant torque curves you know.......... ;-)

buggalugs

9,269 posts

261 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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It switches at quite high revs IIRC, 5100? But don't hold me to that! I remember going out with it unplugged to see what the difference was and IIRC you could feel the difference.

Toyota had a few different variable intake manifolds around, there was another system called TVIS where half the ports were blocked off at lower speeds. I believe BMW call these 'swirl flaps' nowadays.

jimbob82

690 posts

158 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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TVIS is on the celica GT4 turbo I'm doing atm. half the ports are shut - to increase torque lower down until the turbo spools???

Evoluzione

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267 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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Yes I know about TVIS, it doesn't block the ports, they work as normal.
It has 8 manifold runners (4 cylinder motor) and the TVIS blocks off one per cylinder at the plenum end so you just have 50% of the available manifold runner CSA per cylinder until a certain RPM, this must increase velocity. I wonder if the idea fell down where the runners end and in between there and the separate ports there is a huge open cavernous area.
Toyota seem to have tried all sorts of weird and wonderful intake ideas over the years, not sure how successful they've been as they just seem to leave them behind and move onto something new....

Still can't understand exactly how the one I pictured above works though.

Robmarriott

2,965 posts

182 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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According to the internerd, it's a variable volume inlet system.

Below 5krpm, the flaps are closed and the plenum volume is 1.4 litres, above 5krpm they open and it's 1.9 litres.

Why? I don't know but I guess it's to do with pressure waves rather than actual plenum volume.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

279 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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The Rover KV6 manifold has a very similar (but more complex) system, with a set of six butterflies that simply open into a sealed plenum to increase the volume, and a second valve to either divide the main plenum into two halves, each feeding three cylinders, or as a single plenum feeding all six cylinders.

If either or both of the actuators fail (common fault) it has a significant and very noticeable impact on performance and economy.

buggalugs

9,269 posts

261 months

Thursday 28th March 2013
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I remember playing around on the MR2 with that manifold, the intake ducting came quite a long way down to a bell mouth, but I noticed it looked a bit small and was literally only a couple of cm away from a flat surface.

So I thought I'd be clever and try it with that part off, yep, again, it was slower..