RE: Porsche Carrera GT fastest round the 'Ring

RE: Porsche Carrera GT fastest round the 'Ring

Monday 27th September 2004

Porsche Carrera GT fastest round the 'Ring

New lap record achieved on classic German circuit


The Carrera GT is the fastest car to lap the Nürburgring North Circuit. With the clock showing 7:32.44 minutes, Horst von Saurma, Chief Editor of the German specialist magazine “sport auto,” achieved a new record for road-approved vehicles, at the wheel of the 612 bhp Porsche. He completed the 14.1 mile lap in the Eifel at an average speed of 102 mph.

"It was really touch and go. The circuit was dirty in some sectors, which didn’t make it any easier,” beamed Horst von Saurma with glee, after his record round.

For ten years the magazine has been awarding an (unofficial) challenge cup to the driver who drives the fastest round on the Nürburgring using a road-approved car. Thus the race for the best time round the circuit has become a prestigious affair, as Nürburgring is still the best and most honest test of the quality of a vehicle chassis, motor performance, aerodynamics and naturally of tyres.

Since 1995, times have gradually improved from 7:52 minutes to the current 7:32.44 minutes. Wolfgang Dürheimer, Member of Porsche’s Management Board responsible for Research and Development: “The time achieved by Horst von Saurma is excellent and demonstrates the potential of our car. Until recently such times could exclusively be clocked up with pure racing prototypes.”

The journalist von Saurma clocked up the fastest round in the context of a so-called “super test,” which the magazine executes regularly. Top times on the Nürburgring, always driven by the same tester, are among the criteria. Wolfgang Dürheimer: “It is precisely for this reason that the 7:32.44 minutes are so easy for us to put into context and are thus valuable.”

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roadsweeper

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3,786 posts

275 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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Did this beat the Radical SR3 Turbo?!

dino ferrana

791 posts

253 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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No the Radical is still quicker. The Germans do not recognise this though as it isn't German!

Typical behaviour after they kicked Caterham out of the 24 hour race at the Ring for being too quick!

hammerwerfer

3,234 posts

241 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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And I left early that day!

He did pass me going into Werseifen though, earlier in the day.

>> Edited by hammerwerfer on Monday 27th September 11:39

riceturbo

13 posts

279 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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So it takes a porky with over 600 hp to do 7.5 minute lap. What a shame they couldn't manage it with less power. Nissan made a sub 8 minute lap (just) with a lot less power and that was 5 years ago.

FlasheeGee

20 posts

236 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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It was an record for Streetlegal Cars.
The Radical haven´t an chance to get the TÜV
in Germany.
Its with the Laws here extreme difficult to make
an Car Streetlegal here looks like an Radical or
Ultima GTR.
Thats Sh1t,but true.UK isn´t Germany
The TÜV makes big probs here-is an bad place for Kitcars and another Stuff.
But the Porsche is Streetlegal,without restrictions
from the Tüv.

rob.e

2,861 posts

279 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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www.radicalmotorsport.com/news_folder/nordchliefe/index.php

Radical SR3 Turbo, driven by Phil Bennett 7:19

dino ferrana

791 posts

253 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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The Skyline in question was a development hack and was certainly not standard. Nobody could get anywhere near that time with a standard skyline! I have no doubt an 800bhp one would be staggeringly quick round the ring.

lotus111

1 posts

236 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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@dino

Hello,

it says "achieved a new record for road-approved vehicles" although I doubt that the later mentioned Nissan is a standard car that can be order directly from your local dealer - the GT can indeed be ordered from there. The other cars that won the contest in the past were Gemballas an alike Tuner cars - not excatly what I understand under a assebly line production 'road approved' production car.

The Radicals and Ultimas are indeed great cars (I want either of them as upgrade to my little Liz) but EU regulations do not provide legal grounds for these cars on the mainland - leave alone the Nürburgring in Germany. Some people tried to made them "road-legal" but up to now noone have finally managed to do so. This is really a shame! With only some 5,000 km/year these cars will at least been driven around the country emissions can not be the argument. Ban all the SUVs and borring 4,0 litre BMWs and Mercs.

Greets,
Andreas

D4V KC

644 posts

240 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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So, have the German testers taken a Ferrari Enzo around the 'Ring' yet? That would surly be on a similar time to the Porker GT?

Fatboy

7,986 posts

273 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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riceturbo said:
So it takes a porky with over 600 hp to do 7.5 minute lap. What a shame they couldn't manage it with less power. Nissan made a sub 8 minute lap (just) with a lot less power and that was 5 years ago.

As is mentioned above, the skyline was not standard - even Nissan have admitted this now. Stiull bloody quick though

dinkel

26,969 posts

259 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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dino ferrana said:
No the Radical is still quicker. The Germans do not recognise this though as it isn't German! ( . . . )

Macca SLR please . . . In Top Gear it was an easier drive than the Porker.

dinkel

26,969 posts

259 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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7.32,44 mins. Average of 164 km/h. By journalist Horst von Saurma, chef-redacteur of Sport Auto . . . Only 4 secs slower than weltmeister Rohrl . . .

Maybe Ted wants have a go . . .

iguana

7,044 posts

261 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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pogo85 said:

Did anyone ever take a Dauer 962 to the ring? As it's been German road registered, I take it that it can be classed as a road car and eligible for lap records? With Stefan Bellof having the ultimate lap record of 6:25.80 in a Racing Porsche 956



Belof recorded a best qualifying lap of 6.11:13 May 28 1983.

Yip a Dauer has got to be in with a shout for the fastest TUV approved car if Radical & Ultima are not allowed to play, altho only 13 (I think) made but still TUV'd even if they are about a million euros!!

A Duuer running on road legal track day rubber Id say sub 7mins could perhaps even be achivable.

Lordschleife

1 posts

236 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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If I recall right, the radical 'record' was done on r-tyres too, where as the proper street legal laps are driven on regualr road tyres. Also I think Horst von Saurma only had to laps to do the time in? the first lap being 7.39 which he decided was not quick enough, so did a 2nd lap

>> Edited by Lordschleife on Monday 27th September 18:24

Bodo

12,379 posts

267 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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I couldn't find any of sport auto's rules on that contest on the web, but it could well be that competing cars needed a type approval. This would probably allow the Carrera GT to compete, and rule out the Radical (and many other cars like current TVRs). All IMHO, AFAIK, IIRC, ETC.

Supersonic

1,163 posts

263 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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Some official source said:
"The Radical was on road-legal Dunlop Formula Rs to comply with the record's one and only regulation"

Bodo

12,379 posts

267 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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Supersonic said:

Some official source said:
"The Radical was on road-legal Dunlop Formula Rs to comply with the record's one and only regulation"

Is this related to the press article above or some other Ring record? This would mean I could take any Über-Racecar to do that record, as long as it has road-legal tyres?
sport auto's press article published above said:
... For ten years the magazine has been awarding an (unofficial) challenge cup to the driver who drives the fastest round on the Nürburgring using a road-approved car. ...

UFO 2 NOB

4,481 posts

250 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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I recently watched the GT do some demo laps at brands hatch.It went through the gravel at druids,generally handled like a bag of spanners,suffered from understeer followed by snap oversteer and could not do better than 57 second laps on the indy circuit.When the driver got out he looked like a distraught fox that had been chased around by a pack of hounds.On the other hand did see Noble M400 go round Indy in approx 52 secs,no fuss no worries and only 1/7th of the cost of PORKA.

dinkel

26,969 posts

259 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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In Top Gear Stiggie had more than a handfull with the Porker. The Macca SLR handled like a dream with only a horselength laptime diff . . . I suppose the GT is the drivers car. But hey, who is as good / gets close to Rohrl? ? I can't belief all GT owners can do the track tricks with this car . . .

clubsport

7,260 posts

259 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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UFO 2 NOB said:
I recently watched the GT do some demo laps at brands hatch.It went through the gravel at druids,generally handled like a bag of spanners,suffered from understeer followed by snap oversteer and could not do better than 57 second laps on the indy circuit.When the driver got out he looked like a distraught fox that had been chased around by a pack of hounds.On the other hand did see Noble M400 go round Indy in approx 52 secs,no fuss no worries and only 1/7th of the cost of PORKA.


I was there to see the Porsche GT lap the Indy circuit on 3 different days...the driver was clearly showboating on all occasions rather than attempting any lap records.