Any fast bikes wanting to take on supercars?
Discussion
fergus said:
To get near a *fast* bike on the 'Ring, you need a well driven *fast* car. I'm sory, but most 911s don't count, neither does the Griff. I very much doubt you were doing a sub 8 min pace on a TF day in either of the cars mentioned. Speak to either Dale Lomas @ BridgetoGantry.com or Brendan Kierle @ SlidersGuesthouse and see what sort of reply you get!
The griff needed its sweet spot Ill grant you however my turbo and RS beat many bikes, I am a motorcyclist my self, however a gifted rider may beat an average driver, Id quote my mate Tiff against the R1 in wales against a mere 996 C4 far from the best Porsche I just don't agree,every one speaks as they find the bike isn't the full package and fails with heavy braking and fast corners,cars are quicker on a circuit.On a competitive level by quite a bit.The ring lap record would be held by a bike end of argument.
Gary11 said:
ERM really I have had (and still have) bikes since 1977 you are just wrong sorry.
ETAGPZ 900r
GPZ 1100
GSXR 750
GSXR 1100
DUCATI 748 (modified but I know not fast)
BMW K100 (Family heirloom )
And as a Witnesses watched a pal on his blackbird "caught" top end on the way down to Le Mans 3yrs ago by a GT2 blitzed past him (as a dsibeliever at that point) but he got caught and passed after a few miles by the 911 and said he would never have believed ANY car could get that bike.
Edited by Gary11 on Wednesday 24th April 19:08
Phil610 said:
moto_traxport said:
Word to the wise - 9 foot wide cars with 400+ bhp are actually quite quick away from skinny little B roads and traffic jams every half a mile. I'm guessing the organiser wants some bikie meat to make his Supercar event more satisfying.
There has been two responses so far from people with one post each, probably typed by their wives, casually mentioning Hayabusas and ZZR1400's. I vote you let those blokes go.
I wrote it not the wife. Havn't we all had 1 post on a forum at one time ? And yes they were casual comment but they were made with qualification behind them. I belive one of the pre-requistes for joining the PH site is not to be a nobber. There has been two responses so far from people with one post each, probably typed by their wives, casually mentioning Hayabusas and ZZR1400's. I vote you let those blokes go.
Anyone who is missguided enough to think going fast in a straight line is easy obviously has never actualy been 'fast'. To reach over 200mph over a mile takes a bit of doing. Try it over half a mile its a more difficult, try to push 200 in 7 or 8 seconds and your in for a riding lesson.
The Zedhed said:
Oh please do we have to all be keyboard hero's...............
Considering I have no wife then it's definately me typing.
As the guy's who've been and done it are telling you, it ain't that easy getting every last mph out. Yes I agree roundy roundy does need more skill but thats not what's being discussed here is it.
I've been and done it so has Phil, we do know what's involved. If you think 500+hp with just one driven wheel is easy then feel free to build one and have a go.
Yup I'll be bringing a turbo ZZR14, not the race one though as it ain't road legal!
I'd much rather show what I can do on the track not the keyboard :-)
Peace guy's as we're all here for the thrill of speed ain't we?
It was meant as a back handed compliment actually. Keyboard warriors with a million posts per week jabbering about this and that are often all mouth and no trousers. Dirty finger nail bloke bolting a supercharger on already overpowered bike I'd class as a doer not a talker and hence more appropriate for this fun day.Considering I have no wife then it's definately me typing.
As the guy's who've been and done it are telling you, it ain't that easy getting every last mph out. Yes I agree roundy roundy does need more skill but thats not what's being discussed here is it.
I've been and done it so has Phil, we do know what's involved. If you think 500+hp with just one driven wheel is easy then feel free to build one and have a go.
Yup I'll be bringing a turbo ZZR14, not the race one though as it ain't road legal!
I'd much rather show what I can do on the track not the keyboard :-)
Peace guy's as we're all here for the thrill of speed ain't we?
Got you both off one post now, so you already slowing down a bit!
I like bikes and I like cars, who cares who wins, I bet some bikes beat some of the cars there and I bet some of the cars beat some of the bikes.....
I reckon anyone participating will have a great time, chasing a screaming Enzo or Zonda would put a smile on my face, win or lose
I reckon anyone participating will have a great time, chasing a screaming Enzo or Zonda would put a smile on my face, win or lose
Edited by R1gtr on Wednesday 24th April 20:52
LordFlathead said:
That's exactly what I thought R1 and I'm totally expecting to get my arse handed to me 
It should make for a different day out that's for sure
Well enjoy it mate, sure you will come back with a few good tales to tell, remember your camera!!It should make for a different day out that's for sure
P.S. Don't let the side down now
Phil610 said:
moto_traxport said:
Word to the wise - 9 foot wide cars with 400+ bhp are actually quite quick away from skinny little B roads and traffic jams every half a mile. I'm guessing the organiser wants some bikie meat to make his Supercar event more satisfying.
There has been two responses so far from people with one post each, probably typed by their wives, casually mentioning Hayabusas and ZZR1400's. I vote you let those blokes go.
I wrote it not the wife. Havn't we all had 1 post on a forum at one time ? And yes they were casual comment but they were made with qualification behind them. I belive one of the pre-requistes for joining the PH site is not to be a nobber. There has been two responses so far from people with one post each, probably typed by their wives, casually mentioning Hayabusas and ZZR1400's. I vote you let those blokes go.
Anyone who is missguided enough to think going fast in a straight line is easy obviously has never actualy been 'fast'. To reach over 200mph over a mile takes a bit of doing. Try it over half a mile its a more difficult, try to push 200 in 7 or 8 seconds and your in for a riding lesson.
A couple of questions. Where is the longest / fastest straight on a uk motor racing circuit, how long is it and what is the highest speed and by what ?
Alright mate it's Gareth
How's married life treating you?Let me know if you decide to take part in this event. It'd be good to see!
Gents, if you go to Youtube and type in 'Moscow unlim 500' this will show videos of Hypercars, supercars, tuned cars, and standard and tuned road bikes running against each other. The videos highlight runs over a standing mile, and give times and elapsed speeds in KPH (divide by 8.05 and times by 5 for a mph conversion). I fully appreciate and understand the arguments made by all concerned regarding who and what can do what. The figures in the magazines such as Fast Bikes quote standing qtrs and mile figures where the likes of Autocar do the Standing qtrs and standing kilometers all with elapsed times. These figures are a useful guide that highlight the POTENTIAL of the vehicle on test, with a professional driver/rider squeezing the best they can within the conditions available. I think, therefore, that these figures are a good base to start from as there is more than just an element of consistancy, and therefore relevance. If you want figures I have a library of more than 2500 magazines (performance vehicles only) to call upon to assist. As has been alluded to, bikes are often quicker (acceleration), where as cars are faster (top speed). Also note that production bikes are limited to 186 mph, though having said that most superbikes are only just reaching this figure at the end of the mile. We often quote 0 to 100 times and 0 - 150 etc, but this does not express the difference in DISTANCE between competing vehicles. There is a fairly simple formulae that can be applied to give an answer to this. As an example lets take the standing kilometer (1093 yards)times between a TVR Cerbera and an E46 M3. The Cerb compltes the distance in 22 seconds dead, where as the BMW achieves it in 24 seconds. A two second difference. The Cerbs terminal is 150mph. That equates to 73,5 yards a second. Therefore the Cerbera would be at least 147yards in front of the M3 (74 x 2) and in practice even more as the car is still accelerating through the two second advantage, though not significantly. It gives us an idea of distance differentials which we can more easily relate to, rather than trying to imagine the difference of 0 to 100 times in distance terms.
Hope this helps guys. If you want to know times for distances of vehicles, let me know and I will see if I can help.
Hope this helps guys. If you want to know times for distances of vehicles, let me know and I will see if I can help.
This sounds like a fantastic event. It would be interesting to run my standard hayabusa against the cars, and yes I do think there may be a couple of cars that may beat it over the mile. The last timed mile I ran on the bike it reached 189.2mph. It was at its peak before the mile but, it does get there rather quickly. My other busa has run 207 on a half mile but ran out of gears just after the quarter at Elvington.
I now have 3 posts. :-D
(Married life is good thanks Gareth. I still have my bikes and car)
I now have 3 posts. :-D
(Married life is good thanks Gareth. I still have my bikes and car)
I just hope that the SCD lot only put tuned cars against tuned bikes. Otherwise putting a 1000bhp tuned car against a standard production bike proves nothing and isn't a remotely level playing field.
Hoping these two turbo nutters posting above level it out for us
Either way it doesn't prove anything, it's only a bit of fun anyway. Just can't stand those tests where all the car boys cream themselves because a car that's been tuned and had tens of thousands spent on it beats a bike that's just rolled out of the showroom, so none of that please!
Hoping these two turbo nutters posting above level it out for us
Either way it doesn't prove anything, it's only a bit of fun anyway. Just can't stand those tests where all the car boys cream themselves because a car that's been tuned and had tens of thousands spent on it beats a bike that's just rolled out of the showroom, so none of that please!
Yazza54 said:
I just hope that the SCD lot only put tuned cars against tuned bikes. Otherwise putting a 1000bhp tuned car against a standard production bike proves nothing and isn't a remotely level playing field.
Hoping these two turbo nutters posting above level it out for us
Either way it doesn't prove anything, it's only a bit of fun anyway. Just can't stand those tests where all the car boys cream themselves because a car that's been tuned and had tens of thousands spent on it beats a bike that's just rolled out of the showroom, so none of that please!
I think it'd be quite funny if someone tunes the rear axle of their car at great expense and only just manages to scrape a win against a bike that's just been used on the commuter run by Mr Joe Bloggs Hoping these two turbo nutters posting above level it out for us
Either way it doesn't prove anything, it's only a bit of fun anyway. Just can't stand those tests where all the car boys cream themselves because a car that's been tuned and had tens of thousands spent on it beats a bike that's just rolled out of the showroom, so none of that please!
Remember that the bikes should have reliability and consistency on their side, being boggo - if that's what happens.
As you said it's just a bit of fun. People who take all this "my car's faster than your bike" - or vice versa - stuff too seriously need to take a chill pill and enjoy their own hobby
Not a 'slow' car by any stretch of the imagination (albeit also not as quick as the ones which may be turning up to this event).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zb1j8FmW74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wael3IrPu44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zb1j8FmW74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wael3IrPu44
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