How many 430 Scuderia in the UK? Nearly 50% have left...

How many 430 Scuderia in the UK? Nearly 50% have left...

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giggle

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1,952 posts

246 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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Well...

91 Cars were registered in 2008
61 in 2009
12 in 2010
1 in 2011

Total 165

There are 89 left today.




16m

51 in 2009
2 in 2010

Total 53

Today there are 38 left.





Edited by giggle on Sunday 12th May 16:05

Rocco1

3,081 posts

184 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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Can only be good news for scud owners

Pork

9,453 posts

235 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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Where are the numbers from?

If "how many left" I'd take with a shovel of salt.

jtremlett

1,377 posts

223 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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I have looked into some of these DVLA figures and I find it very difficult to reconcile them so I would suggest caution with them. If you look at the cars newly registered for the first time (VEH160 - which seem correct) and then look at the currently registered (VEH120) plus currently SORNed (VEH121) the figures never seem to tally. If a car is initially registered how can it seemingly never appear as either currently registered or SORNed? Of course, figures do not include NI (or Ireland) or the Channel Islands.

Jonathan

FalconWood

1,360 posts

198 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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giggle said:
Well...

91 Cars were registered in 2008
61 in 2009
12 in 2010
1 in 2011

Total 165

There are 89 left today.




16m

51 in 2009
2 in 2010

Total 53

Today there are 38 left

Must be both LHD and RHD because I think there are only 48 RHD 16m in total





Edited by giggle on Sunday 12th May 16:05

giggle

Original Poster:

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Sunday 12th May 2013
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Pork said:
Where are the numbers from?

If "how many left" I'd take with a shovel of salt.
Shovel of salt it is then smile

giggle

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Sunday 12th May 2013
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jtremlett said:
If a car is initially registered how can it seemingly never appear as either currently registered or SORNed? Of course, figures do not include NI (or Ireland) or the Channel Islands.

Jonathan
Exported.

jtremlett

1,377 posts

223 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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FalconWood said:
Must be both LHD and RHD because I think there are only 48 RHD 16m in total
They would be both LHD and RHD but there were 55 16Ms supplied new to the UK in RHD.

giggle said:
Exported.
No that is clearly not the case because I have looked into it and know where a lot of these cars are (specifically I looked in detail at 599 Apertas given there were relatively few supplied to the UK and I knew where they had all gone to). In any case, if a car shows as initially registered in the UK I cannot see how it could not ever appear on the taxed or SORNed lists. Even if exported almost immediately surely it should show as either taxed or SORNed in the quarter in which is was supplied and first registered?

Note that I am looking at the various spreadsheets of the DVLA source data not at HowManyLeft which is doing its own thing with that data.

Jonathan

FalconWood

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198 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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jtremlett said:
FalconWood said:
Must be both LHD and RHD because I think there are only 48 RHD 16m in total
They would be both LHD and RHD but there were 55 16Ms supplied new to the UK in RHD.

giggle said:
Exported.
No that is clearly not the case because I have looked into it and know where a lot of these cars are (specifically I looked in detail at 599 Apertas given there were relatively few supplied to the UK and I knew where they had all gone to). In any case, if a car shows as initially registered in the UK I cannot see how it could not ever appear on the taxed or SORNed lists. Even if exported almost immediately surely it should show as either taxed or SORNed in the quarter in which is was supplied and first registered?

Note that I am looking at the various spreadsheets of the DVLA source data not at HowManyLeft which is doing its own thing with that data.

Jonathan
I am confused now. I understood that in total 498 16Ms were manufactured and only 48 in total were made RHD. Does anyone know the correct LHD to RHD numbers?

FalconWood

1,360 posts

198 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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jtremlett said:
FalconWood said:
Must be both LHD and RHD because I think there are only 48 RHD 16m in total
They would be both LHD and RHD but there were 55 16Ms supplied new to the UK in RHD.

giggle said:
Exported.
No that is clearly not the case because I have looked into it and know where a lot of these cars are (specifically I looked in detail at 599 Apertas given there were relatively few supplied to the UK and I knew where they had all gone to). In any case, if a car shows as initially registered in the UK I cannot see how it could not ever appear on the taxed or SORNed lists. Even if exported almost immediately surely it should show as either taxed or SORNed in the quarter in which is was supplied and first registered?

Note that I am looking at the various spreadsheets of the DVLA source data not at HowManyLeft which is doing its own thing with that data.

Jonathan
I am confused now. I understood that in total 498 16Ms were manufactured and only 48 in total were made RHD. Does anyone know the correct LHD to RHD numbers?

Robbo66

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234 months

Sunday 12th May 2013
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Saw this on Friday....who is he trying to kid ?. Dire.


JazzyO

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182 months

Monday 13th May 2013
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FalconWood said:
I am confused now. I understood that in total 498 16Ms were manufactured and only 48 in total were made RHD. Does anyone know the correct LHD to RHD numbers?
Many, many more than those numbers were produced by Ferrari, as they always do with liited editions. There are reliable indications that there are around 120 SA Apertas. There are fairly strong rumours that there are close to seven hundred 16Ms. It would surprise me.


Onno

Camlet

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150 months

Monday 13th May 2013
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JazzyO said:
FalconWood said:
I am confused now. I understood that in total 498 16Ms were manufactured and only 48 in total were made RHD. Does anyone know the correct LHD to RHD numbers?
Many, many more than those numbers were produced by Ferrari, as they always do with liited editions. There are reliable indications that there are around 120 SA Apertas. There are fairly strong rumours that there are close to seven hundred 16Ms. It would surprise me.


Onno
Would Ferrari really risk a class law suit (especially in the US) by placing a "1 of [say] 500" sign on one of its limited edition products, only to ignore this and go produce more? If Ferrari has continually done this as you suggest, why hasn't anyone bothered to test the theory in court.......or at least threaten court action? I get the upside revenue of a few more SA Apertas, but isn't the downside huge? Why would Ferrari bother?

Slickhillsy

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Monday 13th May 2013
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Robbo66 said:
Saw this on Friday....who is he trying to kid ?. Dire.

Why dire? Looks fine to me - if it's a happy petrol head then wtf?

22s

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217 months

Monday 13th May 2013
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Slickhillsy said:
Robbo66 said:
Saw this on Friday....who is he trying to kid ?. Dire.

Why dire? Looks fine to me - if it's a happy petrol head then wtf?
Fake I think (no petrol filler cap), but a pretty good one!

andrew

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193 months

Monday 13th May 2013
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22s said:
Slickhillsy said:
Robbo66 said:
Saw this on Friday....who is he trying to kid ?. Dire.

Why dire? Looks fine to me - if it's a happy petrol head then wtf?
Fake I think (no petrol filler cap), but a pretty good one!
funny how the bonnet height's the same as the rover 75 biggrin

IanV12

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159 months

Monday 13th May 2013
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traxx

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223 months

Monday 13th May 2013
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Camlet said:
JazzyO said:
FalconWood said:
I am confused now. I understood that in total 498 16Ms were manufactured and only 48 in total were made RHD. Does anyone know the correct LHD to RHD numbers?
Many, many more than those numbers were produced by Ferrari, as they always do with liited editions. There are reliable indications that there are around 120 SA Apertas. There are fairly strong rumours that there are close to seven hundred 16Ms. It would surprise me.


Onno
Would Ferrari really risk a class law suit (especially in the US) by placing a "1 of [say] 500" sign on one of its limited edition products, only to ignore this and go produce more? If Ferrari has continually done this as you suggest, why hasn't anyone bothered to test the theory in court.......or at least threaten court action? I get the upside revenue of a few more SA Apertas, but isn't the downside huge? Why would Ferrari bother?
Your argument is sound ..... but they still produce loads of extra cars and refuse to put individual numbers on the cars.
Now that every other manufacturer (Mclaren, Porsche, Lambo, Pagani etc) number their special series cars I imagine Ferrari will eventually have to follow suit

FalconWood

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198 months

Monday 13th May 2013
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traxx said:
Your argument is sound ..... but they still produce loads of extra cars and refuse to put individual numbers on the cars.
Now that every other manufacturer (Mclaren, Porsche, Lambo, Pagani etc) number their special series cars I imagine Ferrari will eventually have to follow suit
Interestingly they numbered the 550 Barchetta's (also a limited edition) but not the 16M limited edition.

clarkei

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162 months

Monday 13th May 2013
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So how many 575HGTC's left in the UK?