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Prof Prolapse

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8,842 posts

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I'm looking at a track day and incase I bin it I want to remove my front indicators and mirrors.

I'd rather do this at home as the indicators especially are a pain in the arse to remove, and if they hit the ground they'll shatter the front fairing regardless of speed.

Where do I stand legally if I remove? I mean you don't need them for an MOT...


Frenchda

820 posts

113 months

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My old Yamaha has none and passed an MOT

leemavjoh

125 posts

20 months

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ive seen road legal track bikes that obviously dont have the above, so im sure its fine? dont know whether a daylight MOT will be required?

Prof Prolapse

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Surely an MOT is just proof that on the day of testing it was fine. You can modify your vehicle in numerous ways between MOTs and it's not illegal as long as it's still road-worthy? All the MOT does is mention the lack of lights on the advisory sheet. It's not an exemption or certification as I understand it?

So a car needs to have 2 mirrors by law and a bike is OK with none? Same goes for indicators. Car needs 4 functioning indicators, bike needs none?

I guess my question becomes, "is a bike considered road worthy with no front indicators or mirrors"?






Edited by Prof Prolapse on Thursday 16th May 11:42

13aines

1,240 posts

29 months

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I ASSUME if they are fitted they have to work, from an MOT and legal point of view, but if they are not there then I THINK you'd be fine!

And yeah, it's legal to not have mirrors as far as I know.
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leemavjoh

125 posts

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yeah we can do over shoulder checks and hand signals on a bike, so i believe all should be okay smile

LiamB

6,267 posts

23 months

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Husky has no mirrors and the indicators are fked.. still passed it's MOT.
So I am guessing yes.

Fleegle

12,159 posts

56 months

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13aines said:
I ASSUME if they are fitted they have to work, from an MOT and legal point of view, but if they are not there then I THINK you'd be fine!

And yeah, it's legal to not have mirrors as far as I know.
This

My WR450 left the factory with neither and passes the MOT


moanthebairns

7,341 posts

78 months

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lets face it if you come off next thursday at speed the fact you have indicators there or not wont make much of a difference to how smashed your fairings get. Or at least id think so.


Prof Prolapse

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moanthebairns said:
lets face it if you come off next thursday at speed the fact you have indicators there or not wont make much of a difference to how smashed your fairings get. Or at least id think so.
The indicators on the early CBRs break the front fairings if you drop them. Replacement second hand front fairings seem to be a bd to get hold of presumably for this reason.

I've come off on it before and the indicator bent in and, true to form, shattered the front fairing, I painstaking repaired it for the third time last weekend. I did properly this time and I don't want to do it again.

The reason I want my mirrors off is because they're cheap stty aftermarkets and they need to be re-tightened every time I fold them in or out.

There's method to the madness.





Prof Prolapse

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Thanks all. It sounds like I'm good to go.

At the very least I'll have a compelling case for the rozzers in the unlikely event they stop me.




moanthebairns

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Prof Prolapse said:
moanthebairns said:
lets face it if you come off next thursday at speed the fact you have indicators there or not wont make much of a difference to how smashed your fairings get. Or at least id think so.
The indicators on the early CBRs break the front fairings if you drop them. Replacement second hand front fairings seem to be a bd to get hold of presumably for this reason.

I've come off on it before and the indicator bent in and, true to form, shattered the front fairing, I painstaking repaired it for the third time last weekend. I did properly this time and I don't want to do it again.

The reason I want my mirrors off is because they're cheap stty aftermarkets and they need to be re-tightened every time I fold them in or out.

There's method to the madness.
ah, you should have bought the R.

have you booked for thursday or are you going to on the day.

Prof Prolapse

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Rs are for homos in gimp suits. The F is all the motorcycle anybody needs. Especially one like mine with poorly set up suspension, cracks in the fairings and unbalanced Carbs.

Just going on the day mate. I hate the rain, I'm not chancing it to save a tenner.


moanthebairns

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Prof Prolapse said:
Rs are for homos in gimp suits. The F is all the motorcycle anybody needs. Especially one like mine with poorly set up suspension, cracks in the fairings and unbalanced Carbs.

Just going on the day mate. I hate the rain, I'm not chancing it to save a tenner.
if its dry ill see you there, i dont mind the rain but not on my first track day.

Hooli

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Prof Prolapse said:
Thanks all. It sounds like I'm good to go.

At the very least I'll have a compelling case for the rozzers in the unlikely event they stop me.
One of my bikes has no mirrors or indicators, but then it's a 1977 & those useless items only became required in Aug 1986. I believe their is still an exemption saying you don't need either if your bike is either 'dual-sport' ie trail bike OR has no provision for a pillion. Which to me says if you take the pillion pegs off then your legal.

Prof Prolapse

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Cheers Hooli, I'll do that as well then.

Precious weight saving.

ETA: Actually I looked into this. I think it might relate exclusively to off-road.

Edited by Prof Prolapse on Thursday 16th May 14:17

Prof Prolapse

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Just as a bit of an update to anybody who wants to go down this road.

You have an exemption with lights under the 1989 vehicle lighting regulations (or similar) when it comes to removing lights regardless of year of manufacture. You are exempted on the basis that the vehicle is primarily not used for the road in this instance it would be the track i.e. it is an off-road bike, and it is for a sole person only. You must therefore remove the pegs. (I wrongly dismissed this earlier)

Obviously you want to declare this with your insurer since you've massively increased your risk of getting stopped in the first place. I had a chat with my insurers who (like many) will only cover you if you have a "daylight MOT" (i.e. an MOT with a VT20 advisory) to accompany your "adaptations". This unsurprisingly states you cannot use the the bike at night or times of limited visibility.

So then you need a daylight MOT. The interpretation of the guidance, varies from station to station. The local station here will pass a bike as long as all directional indicators are removed, the headlamp is completely taped over, and the wiring for the running lights removed. You can't just remove the indicators, it is all or nothing.

After this declared, it's costing me nothing. Insurers are not even arsed that I'm fitting a performance exhaust and taking the mirrors off at the same time.

So after MOT no need to replace damaged fairings and wiring. I just hope you don't get caught out in the dark!








sc0tt

8,856 posts

81 months

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You cant take your pegs off. The exhaust hangar bolts onto it.

Fleegle

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56 months

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You can get exhaust hangers from companies like Harris

Pothole

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http://www.carolenash.com/2011/03/daytime-mots-you...

To qualify for a daytime MOT your bike must “have neither front nor rear position lamps, or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked.” This applies to headlamps, position lamps and indicators. The situation with stop lamps is significantly more complicated. Machines do not need to have a stop lamp fitted if they cannot exceed 25mph, were first used before 1st January 1936 or were first used before 1st April 1986 and do not exceed 50cc. Those first used before 1st April 1986 must have a stop lamp that operates from at least one brake control and those used on or after that date must have a stop lamp operated from both brakes. There is an added if not widespread complication for bikes first used from 1st April 1986 which were approved with a stop lamp activated by one control. There were very few of these and test inspectors are instructed to fail a bike only if they are certain the stop lamp was designed to be operated by both brake controls and isn’t.

Your bike must be fitted with a rear reflector and an “audible warning device”, typically an electrical horn, which must be loud enough to be heard by another road user.

http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/doitonline/b...
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