997 gt3 or gt3rs?
Discussion
I've been fortunate enough to own a 993, a couple of 996 turbos, a 997 c2s and a 997 turbo..........but never a gt3, and I'm feeling an itch that needs scratching. Question is which model. I like the original 996 gt3 mk1, but not the mk2 - for me, I just don't understand the hype around those, just looks too much like a carrera 2 with a very boring wing on it. I'm sure it's a great drive, but it's not for me
So that leaves the 997. I like the both the mk1 and mk2 equally and also the rs versions of each. I don't use a car Monday - Friday, so its only going to be a weekend car. I do about 8k miles per year - over 5k of those will be motorway and I also do a couple of track days per year. It will be my main car although may buy a cheap run-about for waitrose shopping
The rs excites me more than the standard gt3, but I'd like to ask owners of those if I'd find it to harsh to do 8k miles a year in and also what are everyones thoughts on the best model for least depreciation - something I am very bored of now!
Thanks in advance
So that leaves the 997. I like the both the mk1 and mk2 equally and also the rs versions of each. I don't use a car Monday - Friday, so its only going to be a weekend car. I do about 8k miles per year - over 5k of those will be motorway and I also do a couple of track days per year. It will be my main car although may buy a cheap run-about for waitrose shopping
The rs excites me more than the standard gt3, but I'd like to ask owners of those if I'd find it to harsh to do 8k miles a year in and also what are everyones thoughts on the best model for least depreciation - something I am very bored of now!
Thanks in advance
I have a 997 GT3RS gen 1 and also a gen 2.
From a performance point of view there is no diference between the gen 1 RS and the regular Gen 1 GT3. The cars are both great fun though you will run through a front splitter annually if you buy the RS.Its too low for many garages. It is also the last production Porsche with no stability control.
The RS.2 is a lot more stable at very high speeds and has much better aerodynamics. Unlike the RS.1 it has a little more power than the base GT3.
They are both perfectly driveable on the street, though I moved the RS.1 to Michelin Supersports from PS Cups, as the cups are very tricky in the wet. Left the RS.2 on Cups.
I think they will both depreciate ( who knows how much?), but at a guess the gen 1 RS in a good colour will suffer the lowest depreciation of the four mentioned. ( Of course, you could splash out and get a 4.0
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From a performance point of view there is no diference between the gen 1 RS and the regular Gen 1 GT3. The cars are both great fun though you will run through a front splitter annually if you buy the RS.Its too low for many garages. It is also the last production Porsche with no stability control.
The RS.2 is a lot more stable at very high speeds and has much better aerodynamics. Unlike the RS.1 it has a little more power than the base GT3.
They are both perfectly driveable on the street, though I moved the RS.1 to Michelin Supersports from PS Cups, as the cups are very tricky in the wet. Left the RS.2 on Cups.
I think they will both depreciate ( who knows how much?), but at a guess the gen 1 RS in a good colour will suffer the lowest depreciation of the four mentioned. ( Of course, you could splash out and get a 4.0
)Edited by RDMcG on Friday 24th May 21:31
With the list of cars you have owned, I doubt you would keep the GT3 as your only car.
Many don't, just look at the 997.2 ones with 4 owners on already.
People think they want them only to find other wise :-) miles are low even on mk1 and 2’s when you think they are 14 years old now.
They just don't work as a road car in the uk.
Nice to own one in a collection though.
Many don't, just look at the 997.2 ones with 4 owners on already.
People think they want them only to find other wise :-) miles are low even on mk1 and 2’s when you think they are 14 years old now.
They just don't work as a road car in the uk.
Nice to own one in a collection though.
Edited by mrdemon on Friday 24th May 21:39
mrdemon said:
With the list of cars you have owned, I doubt you would keep the GT3 as your only car.
Many don't, just look at the 997.2 ones with 4 owners on already.
People think they want them only to find other wise :-) miles are low even on mk1 and 2’s when you think they are 14 years old now.
They just don't work as a road car in the uk.
bMany don't, just look at the 997.2 ones with 4 owners on already.
People think they want them only to find other wise :-) miles are low even on mk1 and 2’s when you think they are 14 years old now.
They just don't work as a road car in the uk.
ks I am fairly well positioned to share experience on this.
Had a 997.2 Carrera S with Adaptive sports seats for two years, loved it, truely a car for all occasions, but wanted something more raw especially in handling and looks department.
So upgraded to a 997.2 GT3 RS in the awesome grey and red colour scheme, which I had for 18 months, epic car but a bit too focused for just road use which was my use of it and it also attracted lots of attention.
Sold that in March last year and replaced it with an Italian delicacy, but sorely missed a Porsche, so have just bought a 997.1 GT3 with adaptive seats. Love it, blend of practicality of the Carrera S and rawness of the RS.
I loved the buckets and cage in the RS but the adaptive sports seats are much more user friendly and not having the cage makes putting stuff in the back a much easier option.
Much more subtle as well, white with black wheels
Had a 997.2 Carrera S with Adaptive sports seats for two years, loved it, truely a car for all occasions, but wanted something more raw especially in handling and looks department.
So upgraded to a 997.2 GT3 RS in the awesome grey and red colour scheme, which I had for 18 months, epic car but a bit too focused for just road use which was my use of it and it also attracted lots of attention.
Sold that in March last year and replaced it with an Italian delicacy, but sorely missed a Porsche, so have just bought a 997.1 GT3 with adaptive seats. Love it, blend of practicality of the Carrera S and rawness of the RS.
I loved the buckets and cage in the RS but the adaptive sports seats are much more user friendly and not having the cage makes putting stuff in the back a much easier option.
Much more subtle as well, white with black wheels
RDMcG said:
I have a 997 GT3RS gen 1 and also a gen 2.
From a performance point of view there is no diference between the gen 1 RS and the regular Gen 1 GT3. The cars are both great fun though you will run through a front splitter annually if you buy the RS.Its too low for many garages. It is also the last production Porsche with no stability control.
The RS.2 is a lot more stable at very high speeds and has much better aerodynamics. Unlike the RS.1 it has a little more power than the base GT3.
They are both perfectly driveable on the street, though I moved the RS.1 to Michelin Supersports from PS Cups, as the cups are very tricky in the wet. Left the RS.2 on Cups.
I think they will both depreciate ( who knows how much?), but at a guess the gen 1 RS in a good colour will suffer the lowest depreciation of the four mentioned. ( Of course, you could splash out and get a 4.0)
Great number plate on the white one RDM From a performance point of view there is no diference between the gen 1 RS and the regular Gen 1 GT3. The cars are both great fun though you will run through a front splitter annually if you buy the RS.Its too low for many garages. It is also the last production Porsche with no stability control.
The RS.2 is a lot more stable at very high speeds and has much better aerodynamics. Unlike the RS.1 it has a little more power than the base GT3.
They are both perfectly driveable on the street, though I moved the RS.1 to Michelin Supersports from PS Cups, as the cups are very tricky in the wet. Left the RS.2 on Cups.
I think they will both depreciate ( who knows how much?), but at a guess the gen 1 RS in a good colour will suffer the lowest depreciation of the four mentioned. ( Of course, you could splash out and get a 4.0
)Edited by RDMcG on Friday 24th May 21:31
boxbox said:
I like the original 996 gt3 mk1, but not the mk2 - for me, I just don't understand the hype around those, just looks too much like a carrera 2 with a very boring wing on it. I'm sure it's a great drive, but it's not for me
what are everyones thoughts on the best model for least depreciation - something I am very bored of now!
Bit confused what you really want from a GT3. Just looks and low depreciation?what are everyones thoughts on the best model for least depreciation - something I am very bored of now!
996 has 2 advantages over the 997 IMO: passive suspension and a closer link to the Cup version. 996RS is one of the greatest cars Porsche has ever built. If the looks are important, then hopefully the RS wing goes some way to alleviating your concern, and as for depreciation it's ludicrously undervalued compared to what people are prepared to pay for what (to me) are quite run of the mill Porsches like the 3.6 turbo.
keep it lit said:
mrdemon said:
With the list of cars you have owned, I doubt you would keep the GT3 as your only car.
Many don't, just look at the 997.2 ones with 4 owners on already.
People think they want them only to find other wise :-) miles are low even on mk1 and 2’s when you think they are 14 years old now.
They just don't work as a road car in the uk.
bMany don't, just look at the 997.2 ones with 4 owners on already.
People think they want them only to find other wise :-) miles are low even on mk1 and 2’s when you think they are 14 years old now.
They just don't work as a road car in the uk.
ks mrdemon said:
I thought I wanted one, only to find out I am too much of a girl to drive one :-)
It was too quick for me and I got scared so I bought something with less power and more benign handling so that I don't hurt myself. I mean, if someone like ME can't drive it properly then everyone else has no chance and should sell theirs too!
It was nice to own one though.
P.S don't buy one without bucket seats as it will be worth 20 pence
Edited for accuracy It was too quick for me and I got scared so I bought something with less power and more benign handling so that I don't hurt myself. I mean, if someone like ME can't drive it properly then everyone else has no chance and should sell theirs too!
It was nice to own one though.
P.S don't buy one without bucket seats as it will be worth 20 pence
Edited by mrdemon on Friday 24th May 21:39
You are deluded :-) they are not even that quick, hence the move to PDK to keep up with the competition.
The ratio's and suspension are totally useless.
But mileage tells a story when you see cars with 3 owners and 4 k miles or the orange RS with 2 owners and 3 k miles.
People just don't use them.
Yes there is a following on here so you will never get a true view here. But it's a track car through and through.
And a great car to own as a 2nd car,
A every day car, forget it.
So yes buying one without buckets is a daft choice.
The ratio's and suspension are totally useless.
But mileage tells a story when you see cars with 3 owners and 4 k miles or the orange RS with 2 owners and 3 k miles.
People just don't use them.
Yes there is a following on here so you will never get a true view here. But it's a track car through and through.
And a great car to own as a 2nd car,
A every day car, forget it.
So yes buying one without buckets is a daft choice.
Edited by mrdemon on Saturday 25th May 08:20
I had a GT3 996 mk1, and have a 991 GT3 on order, but have to agree that they are somewhat over coveted by some.
Unless you are going to track, frequently, then the RS is too focused for the road hoon in general IMO.
Some of the more aggressive posters on here stating 'bo##*#cks' etc have a right to their opinion obviously, but I would suggest that these are in the minority in reality. Or don't have one.
Many are for sale with low miles and many owners, and having spoken to several past owners they all seem to agree....great track car, but don't do that many circuits and too quick and large for a B road blast. Then there's that wing to deal with. Oh dear.
Unless you are going to track, frequently, then the RS is too focused for the road hoon in general IMO.
Some of the more aggressive posters on here stating 'bo##*#cks' etc have a right to their opinion obviously, but I would suggest that these are in the minority in reality. Or don't have one.
Many are for sale with low miles and many owners, and having spoken to several past owners they all seem to agree....great track car, but don't do that many circuits and too quick and large for a B road blast. Then there's that wing to deal with. Oh dear.
Horses for courses
I have recently moved into a 997.1 GT3 after having a 997 C2S and I will be the first to admit that the ride is stiffer, everything takes longer to warm up and it requires a LOT more effort to drive. A GT3 of any variety is not a car to use for short journeys or a car you can drive absent mindedly.
It will require effort and concentration from you if you want it to really come alive but its not the super stiff track monster that others will have you believe. The gearing is quite long and once you hear that engine sing at 8000 rpm you will get addicted but be aware that you will be going very fast indeed if you indulge!
I wanted a more focused C2S, a car that will take me many years of driving to learn, a car that will help me to improve as a driver and that's the reason I bought it. I went for the comfort spec (no buckets) as my back is a nightmare of fused discs and traped nerves and mine as a few creature comforts like air con and sat nav etc. I use mine primarily as a weekend and Euro touring car and in that role I can't imagine anything that would fill the same boots withthe same level of involvement for the same budget.
Opinions will vary so the best thing is to get yourself a LONG test drive in one (preferably from cold) and then see how you get on. Ensure you take it on a variety of road surfaces and in traffic as well as open roads.
I have recently moved into a 997.1 GT3 after having a 997 C2S and I will be the first to admit that the ride is stiffer, everything takes longer to warm up and it requires a LOT more effort to drive. A GT3 of any variety is not a car to use for short journeys or a car you can drive absent mindedly.
It will require effort and concentration from you if you want it to really come alive but its not the super stiff track monster that others will have you believe. The gearing is quite long and once you hear that engine sing at 8000 rpm you will get addicted but be aware that you will be going very fast indeed if you indulge!
I wanted a more focused C2S, a car that will take me many years of driving to learn, a car that will help me to improve as a driver and that's the reason I bought it. I went for the comfort spec (no buckets) as my back is a nightmare of fused discs and traped nerves and mine as a few creature comforts like air con and sat nav etc. I use mine primarily as a weekend and Euro touring car and in that role I can't imagine anything that would fill the same boots withthe same level of involvement for the same budget.
Opinions will vary so the best thing is to get yourself a LONG test drive in one (preferably from cold) and then see how you get on. Ensure you take it on a variety of road surfaces and in traffic as well as open roads.
Robbo66 said:
I had a GT3 996 mk1, and have a 991 GT3 on order, but have to agree that they are somewhat over coveted by some.
Unless you are going to track, frequently, then the RS is too focused for the road hoon in general IMO.
Some of the more aggressive posters on here stating 'bo##*#cks' etc have a right to their opinion obviously, but I would suggest that these are in the minority in reality. Or don't have one.
Many are for sale with low miles and many owners, and having spoken to several past owners they all seem to agree....great track car, but don't do that many circuits and too quick and large for a B road blast. Then there's that wing to deal with. Oh dear.
The wing is no different looking really than the 997.1 RS and in fairness on the gen 2 it's way bigger surely Unless you are going to track, frequently, then the RS is too focused for the road hoon in general IMO.
Some of the more aggressive posters on here stating 'bo##*#cks' etc have a right to their opinion obviously, but I would suggest that these are in the minority in reality. Or don't have one.
Many are for sale with low miles and many owners, and having spoken to several past owners they all seem to agree....great track car, but don't do that many circuits and too quick and large for a B road blast. Then there's that wing to deal with. Oh dear.
mrdemon said:
You are deluded :-) they are not even that quick, hence the move to PDK to keep up with the competition.
The ratio's and suspension are totally useless.
But mileage tells a story when you see cars with 3 owners and 4 k miles or the orange RS with 2 owners and 3 k miles.
People just don't use them.
Yes there is a following on here so you will never get a true view here. But it's a track car through and through.
And a great car to own as a 2nd car,
A every day car, forget it.
So yes buying one without buckets is a daft choice.
I agree with this.The ratio's and suspension are totally useless.
But mileage tells a story when you see cars with 3 owners and 4 k miles or the orange RS with 2 owners and 3 k miles.
People just don't use them.
Yes there is a following on here so you will never get a true view here. But it's a track car through and through.
And a great car to own as a 2nd car,
A every day car, forget it.
So yes buying one without buckets is a daft choice.
Edited by mrdemon on Saturday 25th May 08:20
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t cars and anyone that owns one should sell up forthright and go buy the far superior, quicker, more involving Boxster Spyder. Anyone who doesn't is an idiot. Ps, the spyder I drove must have been a duff one because it was too slow for the road and I almost fell asleep at the wheel. Maybe the buckets were too comfortable.
Pss, I've never driven a Pagani Zonda but I'm assuming they are s
t because most them that come up for sale are low mileage cars. bridey0 said:
The wing is no different looking really than the 997.1 RS and in fairness on the gen 2 it's way bigger surely
..?...not sure what your pint is here. Both wings are awful, the gen 2 is biblically so along with the graffiti. On a track fine, but that's what the RS is built for. Robbo66 said:
I had a GT3 996 mk1, and have a 991 GT3 on order, but have to agree that they are somewhat over coveted by some.
Unless you are going to track, frequently, then the RS is too focused for the road hoon in general IMO.
Some of the more aggressive posters on here stating 'bo##*#cks' etc have a right to their opinion obviously, but I would suggest that these are in the minority in reality. Or don't have one.
Many are for sale with low miles and many owners, and having spoken to several past owners they all seem to agree....great track car, but don't do that many circuits and too quick and large for a B road blast. Then there's that wing to deal with. Oh dear.
I'm amazed how "soft" and compliant the 7.2RS is on normal roads - noticeably so from the standard 7.2, which genuinely surprised me when I made the swap. That said I wouldn't use it every day in London for example, but if I was doing 30miles of moving A/B roads (there and back) I might consider using it everyday. Traffic and any longer, even though the folding buckets are amazing, would be too long. Cruising for hours on Autoroutes no problem though and I prefer it to standard GT3. Unless you are going to track, frequently, then the RS is too focused for the road hoon in general IMO.
Some of the more aggressive posters on here stating 'bo##*#cks' etc have a right to their opinion obviously, but I would suggest that these are in the minority in reality. Or don't have one.
Many are for sale with low miles and many owners, and having spoken to several past owners they all seem to agree....great track car, but don't do that many circuits and too quick and large for a B road blast. Then there's that wing to deal with. Oh dear.
I think the new 991 GT3 will be a great daily driver as the standard 991 is too soft and GT like compared with standard 997, so I think new GT3 will be more "911 like" again and bring some rawness back, with pdk making it more useable everyday.
But to answer OPs question, 7.2 is softer and more compliant than 7.1, and 7.2RS a little more again...so I don't agree it's more suited to and too track focussed, even though its supreme on track. You'd have to be comfortable with the big "look at me wing" though if you drove it more than high-days and holidays, but I think if you want the RS and get the standard GT3 you will always hanker after the RS. Using it at weekends only it has to be the RS...and if you get it in a less shouty colour combo it's quite livable with the wing.
Also, final thought...if you get an RS and can't live with it you will take less of a bath come re-sale as they're rarer and hold value better.
Good luck...
PF
Edited by PorkaFly on Saturday 25th May 11:17
You need 7.1 non-RS, if most mileage is motorways with a couple of track days, unless you are accomplished at trail braking a 911, in which case the PASM will make you want to do murders.
RS not worth the premium on the 7.1. More of a cynical marketing special by Porsche. (In contrast, the 6RS and 7.2RS are much more special).
RS not worth the premium on the 7.1. More of a cynical marketing special by Porsche. (In contrast, the 6RS and 7.2RS are much more special).
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