RE: Caterham CSR

Thursday 7th October 2004

Caterham CSR

New Seven features state of the art suspension and monstrous performance


 
 
 
Caterham today launched their new evolution of the Seven, revealing one of the biggest changes to the original Lotus design yet seen.

Casual observers of the new 'CSR' won't spot the difference however as the basic shape remains the same, with the major differences being in the design of the suspension.

At the front, F1 style push-rod operated inboard units take the suspension and damping inside the bodywork making for a more aerodynamic design. At the rear is a double wishbone setup which is fully independent. Changes to the chassis to accomodate the new suspension have also resulted in the opportunity to make the chassis a very useful 25% stiffer.

Aerodynamics and cooling (for foreign markets) have played a part in some subtle restyling of the front end of the car. More ducts for the radiator are obvious and the broader nosecone features a small chin spoiler. The cycle wings are mounted closer to the tyres for improved aerodynamics and have a distinctive shoulder behind the wheel.

Under the bonnet, Caterham have opted for a Cosworth Developed 2.3 litre Ford Duratec. It will be offered in two flavours - 200bhp or 260bhp. Importantly the 200bhp version will conform to the EU4 emissions rules, making it easier to export in larger numbers that is the case for existing models.

Inside the cockpit, Caterham have finally looked at the positions of the dials and switches and come up with a more stylish and more driver friendly layout. Gone are the flat mounted switches and dials and in comes a curved fascia. There's even some storage space in the central console and armrest!

Performance is blistering as you'd expect. The headline figures soon to be banded about in the pubs are:

  • CSR 200, 0-60mph in 3.7 seconds, top speed 140mph
  • CSR 260, 0-60mph in 3.1 seconds and a top speed of 155mph!

Prices are enough to make your eyes water too. The basic 200bhp model goes on sale at £27,450 whilst the 260bhp version will see for £33,950.

  

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ApexClipper

Original Poster:

24,959 posts

243 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Oooh! I'll have me one of those!

Love the front suspension setup, I've been wondering how long it would be before they came up with that.

Incorrigible

13,668 posts

261 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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ApexClipper said:
Love the front suspension setup, I've been wondering how long it would be before they came up with that.
Only 15 years after sylva did it on the Fury

jeremyc

23,432 posts

284 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Did they mention how much the new models weigh?

I wonder if the new 200bhp model provides a similar power to weight ratio as the current R300, and the 260bhp model similar to the R400?

domster

8,431 posts

270 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Incorrigible said:

ApexClipper said:
Love the front suspension setup, I've been wondering how long it would be before they came up with that.

Only 15 years after sylva did it on the Fury


At least they didn't copy the Fury's looks

Mr E

21,614 posts

259 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Want one want one want one want one......

New interior is a bit interesting. Suspect it's the colour. Carbon would be more fitting I think....

domster

8,431 posts

270 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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I think they made a good fist of it. The interior is difficult to do stuff with as it is so functional and understated as standard. The exposed ali bars look great, and gives it that modern feel. There are even some indicator stalks! Whatever next, an airbag? Well done to the team at Caterham. The only things that look a bit strange are the new cycle wings, but I'm sure they are aerodynamically much better than the older ones. Despite looking slightly odd.



robc

967 posts

284 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Nice to see it still looks like a 40 year old car

Just kidding, nice mota but about ten grand over priced

tvr-tom

17 posts

236 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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how about a 300bhp turbo version and maybe a 0-60 of under the 3 second barrier???????

woof

8,456 posts

277 months

woof

8,456 posts

277 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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I'm told that the new suspension, chassis and the new aero nose cone and aero cycle wings have made a huge difference to the handling - particulary to the understeer qualities (the nose and wings have made something like 50% more downforce - don't quote me - but I think they said something like that ! )



Can't wait till I can have ago

robbo64

299 posts

243 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Over-priced?? Don't see how, when this thing could scare the s**t out of cars more than 4 times it's price...great!

robc

967 posts

284 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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tvr-tom said:
how about a 300bhp turbo version and maybe a 0-60 of under the 3 second barrier???????


Might need to eat some more pies to keep the tyres from spinning

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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I see they dropped the idea of the front wing then.

I also find it surprising that they didn't take the opportunity to use a bell crank or rocker arms to keep the springs and dampers working in a constant plane rather than having them angled and presumably rotating around their lower mounting...

granville

18,764 posts

261 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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domster said:
I think they made a good fist of it. The interior is difficult to do stuff with as it is so functional and understated as standard. The exposed ali bars look great, and gives it that modern feel. There are even some indicator stalks! Whatever next, an airbag? Well done to the team at Caterham. The only things that look a bit strange are the new cycle wings, but I'm sure they are aerodynamically much better than the older ones. Despite looking slightly odd.





Bollocks, they look crap.

This is a complete sell out by Caterham and I'm glad I've just lost a pile of cash in the now defunct bastard lightweight, not this lardy arsed sell-out monstrosity.

Frankly, Domster, what the hell am I doing talking like this - this is very much your bag.

Traitors!

Incorrigible

13,668 posts

261 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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LexSport said:
I also find it surprising that they didn't take the opportunity to use a bell crank or rocker arms to keep the springs and dampers working in a constant plane rather than having them angled and presumably rotating around their lower mounting...
With the inboard springs and dampers the rotation is reduced to virtually nothing, about 1/10 (if my maths is up to scratch) of the external design

And Dom, I quite like the look of the Fury

domster

8,431 posts

270 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Sorry Ben, sorry DeR

To be honest, Ben, the Fury doesn't look too bad. Bit old fashioned for me. It's the Stryker that really looks like a bit of meccano.

OutOn

61 posts

246 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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They don´t quote the weight of these two beauties in the specs pdf, any guess on it?

custardtart

1,725 posts

253 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Sure they've been developing their product but who hasn't? Caterham need to move on, keep the old styling if you must but lets have some new products. It's all a bit dull from Caterham and with the competition being more innovative and better value they should have a plan B.

granville

18,764 posts

261 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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custardtart said:
Sure they've been developing their product but who hasn't? Caterham need to move on, keep the old styling if you must but lets have some new products. It's all a bit dull from Caterham and with the competition being more innovative and better value they should have a plan B.


I didn't realise PH operated an 'open heretics' policy.

Now, where's my quill & papyrus?

mindgam3

740 posts

236 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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If the peformance is better and all the extra creature comforts dont add uneccesary weight then why not?

Personally i think it looks great and the new style suspension is bound to improve handling and road holding