Question Regarding Private parking

Question Regarding Private parking

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dave4959

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173 posts

192 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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Basically, myself and my girlfriend were dropped off at the airport by a family member, the car went into the short term stay carpark, paid £1 for 5 minutes parking and left.

However, I managed to leave the printed tickets in the car, I realised 5 minutes after the car had left, so I rang the family member explaining what had happened and could they pop back. I left the suitcases with my girlfriend and walked out of the airport to the roundabout. The car pulled over, I was handed the tickets, through the door/window (Can’t remember) and the car drove away. The car was probably only stopped for 2 seconds.
Anyway, our household has now received a “fine” for “Dropping off/Picking up in a restricted area”

Any recommendations how to deal with this

I know the law has changed last year and it’s supposedly fairer to appeal now. To me it seems very harsh


SV8Predator

2,102 posts

165 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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dave4959 said:
The car was probably only stopped for 2 seconds.
dave4959 said:
our household has now received a “fine” for “Dropping off/Picking up in a restricted area
One question:

Did the car stop in a restricted area?

littleredrooster

5,537 posts

196 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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You have to remember that airports are now absolutely paranoid about vehicles stopping in the wrong place after the attempted bombing at Glasgow.


ging84

8,885 posts

146 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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is it a private parking company charge, would it have been possible to have fully read the terms and conditions and agree to them without stopping for 2 seconds? i would tell them to take them to stop trying to load the costs of maintaining security unfairly onto motorists

Mojooo

12,707 posts

180 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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are you sure it is a private charge or do airports ahve special status (i.e like a local authority car park/road)

dave4959

Original Poster:

173 posts

192 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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littleredrooster said:
You have to remember that airports are now absolutely paranoid about vehicles stopping in the wrong place after the attempted bombing at Glasgow.
I know. This wasn't even in the airport, it was the roundabout to the edge next to the petrol station. Would google street view it but in my phone now. the car had already been through the £1 charge. Numbnuts here just forgot the tickets

dave4959

Original Poster:

173 posts

192 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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ging84 said:
is it a private parking company charge, would it have been possible to have fully read the terms and conditions and agree to them without stopping for 2 seconds? i would tell them to take them to stop trying to load the costs of maintaining security unfairly onto motorists
Yes it is a private company.

JQ

5,734 posts

179 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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dave4959 said:
ging84 said:
is it a private parking company charge, would it have been possible to have fully read the terms and conditions and agree to them without stopping for 2 seconds? i would tell them to take them to stop trying to load the costs of maintaining security unfairly onto motorists
Yes it is a private company.
But who are they acting on the authority of? For example Manchester, Bournemouth, East Midlands and Stansted Airports are 65% owned by the 10 Metropolitan Borough Councils of Greater Manchester. I have no idea if that has an impact on parking tickets, but it's something to consider.

tvrgit

8,472 posts

252 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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Mojooo said:
are you sure it is a private charge or do airports ahve special status (i.e like a local authority car park/road)
In answer to this question - Section 65 of the Airports Act 1986 gives the airport authority the same powers as a normal highway authority, in respect of roads maintained by the airport authority, within the boundary of the airport (if the airport is a prescribed airport)

That means that waiting / parking / stopping restrictions must be introduced only by a Traffic Regulation Order - no Order, no enforcement. I believe that the airport can appoint a private company to enforce, but I am not sure of those arrangements - never done it. But what it does mean is that, if the PPC is properly appointed, the tickets are every bit as enforceable as a local authority ticket, not a PPC invoice in a private car park.

It also means that the restrictions must be signed in accordance with the Traffic Signs Regs and General Directions,
and double yellow lines do not mean "no stopping", they mean "no waiting: as others have said. That's why "red routes" are red, not yellow - the red lines have a different specific meaning.


dave4959

Original Poster:

173 posts

192 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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tvrgit said:
In answer to this question - Section 65 of the Airports Act 1986 gives the airport authority the same powers as a normal highway authority, in respect of roads maintained by the airport authority, within the boundary of the airport (if the airport is a prescribed airport)


It also means that the restrictions must be signed in accordance with the Traffic Signs Regs and General Directions,
and double yellow lines do not mean "no stopping", they mean "no waiting: as others have said. That's why "red routes" are red, not yellow - the red lines have a different specific meaning.
The car did stop on double yellows. For a matter of seconds to pass an a4 sheet of paper. No waiting.

Your post was very informative and helpful by the way

tvrgit

8,472 posts

252 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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dave4959 said:
The car did stop on double yellows. For a matter of seconds to pass an a4 sheet of paper. No waiting.

Your post was very informative and helpful by the way
Is the road signed as an "urban clearway"? That DOES mean "no stopping" regardless of yellow line markings (and also needs a Traffic Regulation Order).

dave4959

Original Poster:

173 posts

192 months

Saturday 29th June 2013
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tvrgit said:
Is the road signed as an "urban clearway"? That DOES mean "no stopping" regardless of yellow line markings (and also needs a Traffic Regulation Order).
Will have a look

FiF

44,050 posts

251 months

streaky

19,311 posts

249 months

Sunday 30th June 2013
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FiF said:
The notice seems clear, and the lines look red to me.

Streaky

tvrgit

8,472 posts

252 months

Sunday 30th June 2013
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streaky said:
FiF said:
The notice seems clear, and the lines look red to me.

Streaky
Do we know that's the airport the OP was referring to?

FiF

44,050 posts

251 months

Sunday 30th June 2013
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tvrgit said:
streaky said:
FiF said:
The notice seems clear, and the lines look red to me.

Streaky
Do we know that's the airport the OP was referring to?
No we don't but my old mucker DVD mentioned Liverpool so, having tremendous respect for DVD's spidery senses then had a look to see what signs one could expect.

The OP mentions a roundabout with a garage and I don't see that, but some of the images are quite old and development is ongoing.

Zeeky

2,791 posts

212 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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tvrgit said:
Mojooo said:
are you sure it is a private charge or do airports ahve special status (i.e like a local authority car park/road)
In answer to this question - Section 65 of the Airports Act 1986 gives the airport authority the same powers as a normal highway authority, in respect of roads maintained by the airport authority, within the boundary of the airport (if the airport is a prescribed airport)
Section 63 also empowers the airport owners to make byelaws controlling the use of vehicles on its roads. I suspect this is Newcastle airport which has such byelaws including a reservation to impose charges in lieu of prosecution for contraventions.

Gareth79

7,661 posts

246 months

Monday 1st July 2013
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The question nobody has asked the OP is precisely what regulation/law does the paperwork allege they have contravened.