Pagid RS29 pads squealing solved
Pagid RS29 pads squealing solved
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StreetDragster

Original Poster:

1,569 posts

241 months

Sunday 21st July 2013
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Hi all,
Thought I would post a new thread so people searching can pick it up easier. My Noble has pagid rs29 pads front and back and they work great, but the squealing when coming to a stop was unbearable. So much so that I was actually about to replace then with a softer pad.
I tried copper slipping the edges and the back plates to no avail, also chamfering the pad edges also with no effect.

Finally got it to be 95% better by fitting universal anti squeal shims from eBay which are only 0.5mm thick, and with a proper pad spreader tool got it all to fit properly, worth a try for the £8 it cost before you replace your pads if the noise its driving anyone else insane.

Odd thing is that some people have no squealing with no special effort, lucky people!

Hope that helps

Matt

Scooby P1

2,617 posts

252 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Wow. That is quite a small cost for a great solution to a diabolically annoying problem.

I have Carbotech XP8 front pads and they squeal at low speeds especially around town. I spent well over £100 on some custom shims and some special 'paste' all to no avail!

Might check out ebay for the shims you're talking about

StreetDragster

Original Poster:

1,569 posts

241 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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They are just self adhesive things, being four pots we need a set per caliper to adequately cover the piston areas. Just cut them to size with scissors and then clean the pad and slap them on.

The seller was called brakesint, they were made by Bremtech, item number was 330807449914. It was actually £9.98 for two sets delivered (so enough for one axle, i did manage to get enought together from the offcuts to do the rear pads, but i would recommend a second set of shims instead)

Hope that helps

Matt

mgbond

6,749 posts

255 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Can I ask that u add this solution to the fixes page on Nobleparts.

Thanks

StreetDragster

Original Poster:

1,569 posts

241 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Yep will do smile

thanks

Matt

andygtt

8,345 posts

287 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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worth mentioning that the noble should have anti rattle shims on the pads as std.... but they often get thrown away with the pad and then pads fitted without them!

good to know were to get new ones from.

Adrian W

15,102 posts

251 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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I have titanium shims, they work very well and insulate the calliper from heat

Hollowpockets

5,909 posts

239 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Adrian W said:
I have titanium shims, they work very well and insulate the calliper from heat
Where from?

Adrian W

15,102 posts

251 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Hollowpockets said:
Adrian W said:
I have titanium shims, they work very well and insulate the calliper from heat
Where from?
I don't think you can buy them, I got hol of some titanium sheet and had it machined

Hollowpockets

5,909 posts

239 months

Monday 22nd July 2013
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Ah ok, will bear that in mind next pad change, are they just cut to the shape of the pad outline?

D_G

1,900 posts

232 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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I fixed my squealing at low speed by removing the shims on the caliper, cleaning off the corrosion, applying copperslip between the shim and caliper and then refitting the pads. The shim wasn't sitting right due to the corrosion, you could the gap formed between the two.

Scooby P1

2,617 posts

252 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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D_G said:
I fixed my squealing at low speed by removing the shims on the caliper, cleaning off the corrosion, applying copperslip between the shim and caliper and then refitting the pads. The shim wasn't sitting right due to the corrosion, you could the gap formed between the two.
I bought brand new shims, machined especially from a company that specialises in them and used Ceratec anti squeal paste.

None of the above worked.

But wonder if the shims help me brake on track as they don't really fade!

StreetDragster

Original Poster:

1,569 posts

241 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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Well, it lasted 300 miles before the squeal came back, arrrgggghhhhhh

Matt

TuxMan

9,011 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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I think the pads squeal because the light braking pressures on the road cause the pad face to glaze up , if I do a few road miles the squeal comes back then a day on track and it disappears !!!
Try a couple off big stops from high speed but if you have drilled disc this might not work .

Tux

Scooby P1

2,617 posts

252 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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It's something to do with AP calipers

Research all based on Carbotech XP8 pads.

My brother's Evo 6 Extreme has massive AP calipers and grooved discs (like Tux's race style cuts / grooves) and his squeal terribly.

My Noble has AP calipers and drilled discs and they are silent when thrashed on track but squeal as soon as they are hot in town at low speeds.

My Impreza P1 had large Alcon calipers and grooved discs and from day 1, two years on not a peep out of the pads. On track, around town you name it they were quiet as a mouse.

Go figure.

Adrian W

15,102 posts

251 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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The AP calipers fitted to Nobles were the cheapest ones in the range!!

andygtt

8,345 posts

287 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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in the 40k miles I have done in my Noble they have never squealed!

Hollowpockets

5,909 posts

239 months

Tuesday 30th July 2013
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andygtt said:
in the 40k miles I have done in my Noble they have never squealed!
Same, you guys just use the brakes too much!