RE: Dunlop's track day rubber: PH2

RE: Dunlop's track day rubber: PH2

Thursday 25th July 2013

Dunlop's track day rubber: PH2

It's black, it's round, it keeps you on the ground ... it's Dunlop's latest road legal track day tyre



Talent, weight, terror threshold, size of manhood - there are plenty of excuses for why your correspondent isn't competing at national level racing and might make testing a road legal track day tyre somewhat tricky. Saying that, track pretensions or not, it doesn't necessarily mean this kind of tyre should be limited in its use to only riders who can compete at the very highest level. After all, how many of us can claim to push a BMW S1000RR, Fireblade or R1 to anywhere near its full potential? The fact their performance envelope is outside the capabilities of 99 per cent of the world's population isn't an issue given that it's better to have the performance and not use it than to suddenly find yourself lacking. A philosophy that is especially true with a tyre. This brings us to Dunlop's new D212 GP Pro, a replacement to the GP Racer D211.

Good enough for four TT wins with Michael Dunlop
Good enough for four TT wins with Michael Dunlop
Track tested
A road legal race tyre, this year the D212 GP Pro won all four of its TTs with Michael Dunlop riding the Supersport, Superstock and Superbike. Technically it also took the Senior TT with John McGuinness, though not in the same format. According to Dunlop, the firm's Superbike slick, the KR106/108, is basically a D212 GP Pro minus its tread pattern. During the final stages of manufacture the tread pattern is imprinted on the tyre when it is going through the vulcanization stage. Up until that point there is no difference between a slick and the road tyre. So it's fair to say this tyre has some performance credibility. So what's new?

Compared with the older D211, the new D212 front tyre has a less rounded and sharper profile as well as a 20 per cent stiffer carcass, while the tread uses Dunlop's multi tread (MT) technology. Before the tyre is cooked to harden it the 'rubber' is extruded onto the tyre in a continuous run of compound a bit like putting string on a bobbin.

By varying this compound Dunlop can give a tyre several different compounds of rubber across its surface, which is what happens in race tyres when riders need a soft compound on one side and harder on the other to suit a left or right handed circuit. The D212 front has two compounds, softer on either edge and a harder central compound, which is exactly as you would expect.

Meaning Jon's got no excuses...
Meaning Jon's got no excuses...
The rear is also a multi-compound construction with a harder central area and softer shoulders but also a third layer under the central compound area to improve stability and durability. However, unlike the front tyre, the rear also contains Dunlop's N-Tec system. N-Tec is a layer of material that allows the tyre to run lower pressures than normal while retaining its shape. The lower the pressure, the more surface area and therefore grip the tyre has when under power. Why isn't this used on the front? Dunlop has found the deformation affects the bike's handling so at the moment it is only used on rears. The rear tyre we tested was run at around 19psi, around half of the 42psi you get on a normal road tyre, although you would deflate this slightly for track use to probably around the 32psi area.

Sticky situation
Although the D212 is available in four front compounds and five rears, Dunlop armed us with middle of the range compounds as one and two are basically qualifying tyres and the only thing I was qualifying for was the sprint to bacon buttie seller. So, faced with Silverstone's full international circuit and a cross-plane crank R1, off I went.

Softer compounds on the shoulders for corners
Softer compounds on the shoulders for corners
Even while trying to learn the circuit the first thing I noticed about the D212 was its stability. Usually the more aggressive profile of a race orientated tyre causes the bike to become a bit unstable, or at least more prone to shaking its head out of corners or on a straight. Silverstone has several very long straights and the R1 remained rock solid without a hint of instability here and on fast corner exits under power, which was very impressive considering the sharper profile when compared to the older D211. And then there was the feeling from the rear.

You can certainly feel the rear has less pressure in it, but it doesn't affect the handling in a bad way. To me it seemed as if the tyre was softening any bumps out in the track and cushioning the ride slightly. As you would expect from a track tyre when you open the throttle the Dunlop digs in and grips like crazy, but for me it was the feeling of flexibility in the carcass over bumps that surprised me the most.

After a few sessions and with a vague idea where I was going I started to push a bit harder on Silverstone's corners. With the bike held on its ear through the long left then right of Luffield the Dunlops provided huge amounts of side grip, allowing me to hold the bike down before aiming at the final marker on the inside of Woodcote and firing out onto the start/finish straight. Having watched Cal slide it out of there in WSB and MotoGP I was pretty glad to be in no danger of repeating his sideways heroics, despite having the R1's throttle on the stop.

D212 is identical to Dunlop's slicks bar tread pattern
D212 is identical to Dunlop's slicks bar tread pattern
Earlier in the day one of the Dunlop technicians warned me that the front's sharp profile may make the bike feel as if it was flopping onto its side rather than rolling as you get on a road tyre. To be honest I didn't get this feeling at all and while the R1 certainly seemed to turn quickly, I wouldn't have said it flopped over.

How much, how long?
Dunlop reckons you are probably looking at around £320 a set for the D212 GP Pro, which is about £100 more than a set of 'road' tyres. This extra cost is due to the fact that every D212 is hand-built by the Dunlop race department, which comes at a cost. If you are serious about your track days, or race, the D212GP Pro is an incredibly impressive tyre and certainly performed far better than me. Dunlop estimates track riders should get about three track days out of a set and after riding six sessions around Silverstone mine looked to still be in pretty good condition. Maybe I wasn't trying hard enough, bringing us full circle to the whole talent, terror threshold and manhood thing...

 


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George29

Original Poster:

14,707 posts

164 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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I use these on my R6. Great tyres, I just wish they did the rear in 180 section instead of 190 only.

spareparts

6,777 posts

227 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Loved the 211s. I wonder how these stack up to the latest SuperCorsa V2.

Fleegle

16,689 posts

176 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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spareparts said:
Loved the 211s. I wonder how these stack up to the latest SuperCorsa V2.
Or the R-10's

bass gt3

10,193 posts

233 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Fleegle said:
spareparts said:
Loved the 211s. I wonder how these stack up to the latest SuperCorsa V2.
Or the R-10's
The D211 was the absolute top tyre, especially if it was a UK made tyre. Nothing came close for grip and longevity. it would stick like st to a blanket almost down to the canvas
The R10 is good but we find the front only lasts 3 sessions at a new track.
The Pirelli and Metzler are great, but not a patch on the D211.
This should be epic!!

Fleegle

16,689 posts

176 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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bass gt3 said:
The R10 is good but we find the front only lasts 3 sessions at a new track.
Why's that Steve? Does the heat play a part do you think?

After being a Pirelli man for many years the R10 was a revelation. Compared to the Supercorsa's, they are a little more expensive but better grip and last longer makes them an obvious choice for me.

I've always used Dunlops on my race bike (only a 150 section)and been v. happy but may have to try these new ones on the R1

bass gt3

10,193 posts

233 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Fleegle said:
Why's that Steve? Does the heat play a part do you think?

After being a Pirelli man for many years the R10 was a revelation. Compared to the Supercorsa's, they are a little more expensive but better grip and last longer makes them an obvious choice for me.

I've always used Dunlops on my race bike (only a 150 section)and been v. happy but may have to try these new ones on the R1
It's weird with the R10 front. At Redstar, and only there, the front gets crucified if you are pushing on. I agree the R10 is a stupendous tyre, but I found it really sensitive to pressure, and the front is weird. The track is only a couple of years old so maybe it's still very abrasive. Either way, everyone suffers there, so much so the ZX10 cup boys take a spare front wheel complete with new tyre for the second race.There's also 2 typoes of R10 and I think there's some confusion as to which one is better for the temps here.
As for the Dunlop, I can't recommend it strongly enough. I waxed lyrical about these(D211 GP) a few years ago and can't wait to try these. But, and it's a big but, the UK made D211's were worlds apart(better) than the French made items. People would sell their kids for a UK 211!!
But agree with what you say about the SC. Maybe try the K1/K2 Metzler. I love them and much cheaper than the Pirelli.

mckeann

2,986 posts

229 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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i used the slick version of these recently in Brno and they fell apart. Twice. I'll be going back to R10's for my next trackday.

spareparts

6,777 posts

227 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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bass gt3 said:
It's weird with the R10 front. At Redstar, and only there, the front gets crucified if you are pushing on. I agree the R10 is a stupendous tyre, but I found it really sensitive to pressure, and the front is weird. The track is only a couple of years old so maybe it's still very abrasive. Either way, everyone suffers there, so much so the ZX10 cup boys take a spare front wheel complete with new tyre for the second race.There's also 2 typoes of R10 and I think there's some confusion as to which one is better for the temps here.
As for the Dunlop, I can't recommend it strongly enough. I waxed lyrical about these(D211 GP) a few years ago and can't wait to try these. But, and it's a big but, the UK made D211's were worlds apart(better) than the French made items. People would sell their kids for a UK 211!!
But agree with what you say about the SC. Maybe try the K1/K2 Metzler. I love them and much cheaper than the Pirelli.
Steve, have you tried the SCv2 in comparison?

bass gt3

10,193 posts

233 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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spareparts said:
Steve, have you tried the SCv2 in comparison?
In comparison to what mate? The SC2's I've tried are superb, but getting too pricey for regular use. And the Duc is hard on the rear tyres.The front is superb, really good when going in hot on a trailing brake.
I'm currently running the Metzler k2 slicks, and love them. Not quite as good as the D211 but readily available and a lot cheaper.

_g_

741 posts

201 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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Not sure why you need a dual compound on a track tyre?

Only really seems useful if they're getting used on the road after - that's the only time I really wear out the centre.

If it's right at the very, very edge, maybe; but it tends to be a bit around where getting on the power/braking in to corners that wears out first I find.
And, of course, I wouldn't want any harder compound than is already there.

BigHeartedTone

1,304 posts

217 months

Thursday 25th July 2013
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I've run 211s on my 750 this year. Rears I've run at 21psi cold / 23 hot. I really like them despite a cold tyre crash at Rockingham on Saturday - my fault. However they gave loads of grip in the rain at Cadwell this week.

These new tyres are expensive tho' - I've tucked a couple of 211s away and will continue to use them while available.

Edited by BigHeartedTone on Thursday 25th July 21:32

Brendan Lennon

170 posts

240 months

Friday 26th July 2013
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Best tyre I've had on the 'blade so far, don't last long though, 3 days on the roads to be exact !



Next best (although it felt a little 'softer', still predictable though) was the Michelin Pilot Cup, mega tyre !