RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S (991): Review

RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S (991): Review

Friday 23rd August 2013

Porsche 911 Turbo S (991) | PH Review

Faster, fancier and a little bit fatter - the 991 Turbo is here


My main duty here is to try and impress upon you just how stupidly fast the new Porsche 911 Turbo S is on the road. Take a stretch of asphalt, perhaps three of four miles long. It runs up and down a hillside, beneath the cover of thick trees. There are some sighted corners to which you can commit, but others are blind and two or three are tight hairpins.

Starting from the top, you hit Sport Plus, think balls to dialling yourself in and just floor the throttle. Utterly without hesitation, 553lb ft of torque and unbreakable four-wheel drive traction launch you down the road with such force you think the seat back might snap. Your conscious mind has been left behind so it's with instinct that you pull for another gear without lifting, at which point the Turbo S surges forward again with just the same intensity.

The tight corner that was once at the end of that long straight is just ahead now, so you stand on the brake pedal and the monster calipers and 410mm carbon rotors hang you in your seat belt. Tugging on the left hand paddle and staying hard on the brakes, you aim towards the apex. The front tyres dig in and the car attacks the clipping point with not a hint of wash. You force yourself back onto the power much earlier than seems appropriate, feeding it in as you wind off the lock. The process begins again.

Pain in the neck
That's what every spirited drive in the Turbo S feels like. There are several factors that make it so outrageously effective; the huge torque and much more useable top end of the twin-turbocharged engine, the four-wheel drive system that can only be overwhelmed if you completely disregard the traction circle, the sheer speed of up- and down-shifts, the force of the brakes and the agility of the front end. For all those elements, I cannot conceive of another road car that matches the Turbo S for performance on a twisting road. From the outside, it sounds like a natural disaster.

The Turbo S gives you options mid-corner and by transferring weight on the brakes you really can influence its behaviour. Brake deep into a corner, on road and track (it's a more engaging circuit car than you might imagine), and understeer just isn't a factor. From there, it settles onto its outside tyres, digs in and just grips and grips, the front so brilliantly tied down.

For this latest model, Porsche has introduced a third 911 bodyshell. It's 28mm wider than the Carrera 4 shell, which allows the Turbo models an extra wide rear track, but that does sit at odds with the 911's trademark wieldiness. There are adaptive front and rear spoilers to increase downforce by 132kg at 186mph and active rear steering, which between them are worth four seconds around the Nordschleife, as well as bigger carbon brakes, more power and clever chassis systems that keep roll and lurch in check.

Same, more so
Everything about the new 991-generation Turbo S has been developed to get you from one end of a stretch of road to the other faster than ever before. On the optional road-legal track rubber - which is much better suited to the stresses of track driving, rather than simply being a bit stickier - the Turbo S monsters the 'ring in 7min 24sec. It'll do 7min 27sec on conventional fast road tyres. Both are faster than Walter Rohrl in a Carrera GT.

Beyond the sheer pace of it, the Turbo S is luxurious inside and it rides well enough for daily use at low and medium speeds. At higher speeds the ride of my test car became unsettled, but that's because it was running the middle of three tyre pressures recommended by Porsche, given that the launch route included some fast Autobahn. The lowest pressure should improve both ride quality and track performance. In the UK it'll be the default mode because we can't exceed the critical 170mph mark (or, at least, shouldn't).

The PDK gearbox, meanwhile, works very well indeed in auto and manual modes. There's no proper manual option, but I just don't think you'd be able to keep up with the pace of the rest of the car with a stick and pedal.

Spare part
The electrically assisted steering doesn't offer any true feel. It's crisper than a standard Carrera's and, thanks to specific calibration work and the rear-wheel steering, it feels more responsive, but still numb, as is the brake pedal.

Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control, so contentious on the standard Carrera, is optional on the Turbo and standard on the Turbo S. Effectively variable anti-roll bars, the system cuts roll and prevents big yaw moments as a result of a sudden lift or stab of brakes. That's great for stability, but the consequence is that the front end has no sensitivity to a slight lift of the throttle at road speeds, which takes away a level of engagement. It's another example of efficiency being prioritised over tactility.

The biggest issue for me, though, is that the driver's contribution to the Turbo S's alarming pace is really quite small. You do need to be alert to hold onto the thing and the sheer speed of it is fantastic fun, but you don't step out after a fast run satisfied that you made it so. That's the GT3's job, though. The new 911 Turbo S simply offers more of everything that existing owners love about their cars.


SPECIFICATION | PORSCHE 911 TURBO S

Engine: 3,800cc, flat-6, twin-turbocharged
Transmission: 7-speed PDK, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 560hp@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 553lb ft@2,200rpm
0-62mph: 3.1sec
Top speed: 198mph
Weight: 1,605kg
MPG: 29.0mpg (claimed)
CO2: 227g/km
Price: £140,852

 

   
   
   
   
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Sierra Mike

Original Poster:

877 posts

195 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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UH OH. Outrageously fast but it's lost the essence of what makes a sports car or, arguably, it's offering more of the same as the 997 TT. That's a shame.

Edited by Sierra Mike on Friday 23 August 08:45

Davey S2

13,092 posts

254 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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'But it looks just like the old one!'

/usual new Porsche comment

Vee12V

1,332 posts

160 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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A rather useless and dare I say it... not so special car? Except if you live in Germany and like to destroy Autobahns, but that's all it's for.

Kronstein

294 posts

129 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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Looks great. So useable and would make a great everyday donkey.

Also converging with the GT3 now - how long before the two models meet and/or you get the GT3 Turbo. (I know there's the GT2 but that's another story.) - suspect the performance/interaction gap is narrowing considerably.

kambites

67,543 posts

221 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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Sounds like the old one then - hugely impressive but (to me at least) not remotely desirable.

I'm sure plenty of people will buy them and love them, though. smile

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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Wow, got to be the ultimate everyday car cloud9

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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Sierra Mike said:
UH OH. Outrageously fast but it's lost the essence of what makes a sports car or, arguably, it's offering more of the same as the 997 TT. That's a shame.
Isn't that kind of what the Turbo has always been about though? It's not mean to be as challenging or as engaging as a GT3...

exceed

454 posts

176 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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Some rather silly comments from some of the PHers, a hugely capable machine. Must be an incredible sight to see on the roads.

Okay guys so tell us, are journalists under strict commands from Porsche GmBH to NOT mention the war... I mean the GTR smile

EDIT - Also I still don't want one of these, I want to want one frown.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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A very , very impressive car.

Clearly an engineering marvel.

It must be said though ( and I am sure Porsche are sick of hearing this) but Nissan have raised the bar so high back in 2008 with the GT-R that you still have to ask yourself how Porsche manage to charge 2X as much as Nissan do to get a similar result. Torque vectoring, 4WD, a stack of short double clutch gears and some fat turbos'. Nissan did this in 2008 at 50% of the price.

Now the new 991 certainly betters the GT-R (which is pretty old now) but it does put into perspective what a great achievement Mizuno-san pulled off with the original GT-R.

The GT-R is not the success in the Uk that it is in markets like the US ( we seem prejudice against the big Datsun here ) but it is the elephant in the room IMO when considering this type of car. I think the GT-R forced Porsche to raise their game and this is the rather lovely result.

Well done Porsche.

I wonder what is next to come?

isaldiri

18,511 posts

168 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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only 3 seconds between cup tyres and road tyres at the ring? Not that I particularly care very much about car ring times but that is surprising surely... I recall being told pilot sport cups to pilot sports on a gt3 or CSL was in the region of 10-15 seconds?


tuffer

8,849 posts

267 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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Vee12V said:
A rather useless and dare I say it... not so special car? Except if you live in Germany and like to destroy Autobahns, but that's all it's for.
So you missed the bit about the huge levels of traction and grip through the corners, sounds like the perfect point to point car to me and for that reason.......I'm in.

Wolands Advocate

2,493 posts

216 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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I liked the comment that from outside it sounds like a natural disaster! No doubt the Green Party would aver that it is one....

MycroftWard

5,983 posts

213 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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Well it's certainly a very impressive machine, obviously hugely capable point to point. A shame it seems to lack any real feel though, but I guess that's the way of things now with cars like this now, it's refinement and performance capability that's seen as being progressive.

I really like the look of the car and 911's generally, though it's quite a clinical execution the unusual rear engine packaging still gives it a unique character.

I'm nowhere near being about to afford one of these, would like to maybe try a used 911 one day though...

pimpchez

899 posts

183 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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Seems to me that it re-defines the term "PlayStation car" ,i have driven a GTR and that was anything but easy to drive on the track.Il take a GTR at half the price

M666 EVO

1,124 posts

162 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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Still my dream car, my lotto win first purchase.

I just love it and what it is capable of. I wonder if I'll ever drive one?


Schnellmann

1,893 posts

204 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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It might be faster than the CGT around the ring but that is probably because the tyres on the CGT are nowhere near as good as today's tyres. With current tyres I suspect the CGT would be faster (in the hands of Mr Röhrl).

nonuts

15,855 posts

229 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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Vee12V said:
A rather useless and dare I say it... not so special car? Except if you live in Germany and like to destroy Autobahns, but that's all it's for.
To say that means you don't get it. The turbo has always been about going very fast, anywhere, in any conditions and it sounds like this does what it's meant to perfectly.

Davey S2

13,092 posts

254 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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exceed said:
a hugely capable machine.
No doubt about that


exceed said:
Must be an incredible sight to see on the roads
Really? I'd say it would be marginally more exciting than seeing any silver Audi / Merc / BMW


cayman-black

12,641 posts

216 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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Great car, but does it look £140k not so sure.

sprint1050

7 posts

138 months

Friday 23rd August 2013
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love it, continues the theme of 911 turbos, which many people myself included have always lusted after. A GT3 maybe better on the track but I need a car I can drive at 30mph, on crap roads in the English winter and still enjoy. If I had the money I'd buy it