RE: Saab 900 Turbo: PH Heroes

RE: Saab 900 Turbo: PH Heroes

Monday 26th August 2013

Saab 900 Turbo: PH Heroes

Saab may not still be with us but the 900 Turbo lives on as a true hero



Saab is no more, and since the Swedish manufacturer left this mortal coil, those with a penchant for black roll-neck sweaters have been left struggling to buy a car that really speaks their language. But back in the yuppie era, nothing made more of an anti-statement for these guys than a black three-door 900 T16S. And today, that sheer non-conformist nature remains core to the 900's appeal as a retro performance car.

A USP worth shouting about back in the day
A USP worth shouting about back in the day
The Saab 99 it was based upon was first shown in 1967, and boasted an advanced specification. Like all Saabs before it, the 99 was front-wheel drive, and aerodynamically-styled, with a drag coefficient of 0.37. It was strong, capable, and more than a little bit bookish. But when Saab bolted a Garrett turbo to its rally car in 1977, events took a decidedly interesting turn. The Group 4 challenger was homologated for the road in 1978 - and the Saab Turbo legend was born.

A year later, and around the time the 99 Turbo took its one-and-only international rally victory - fittingly in Sweden, with Stig Blomqvist at the wheel - the range mutated into the larger and more prestigious 900. Aside from its new dashboard and longer front- and rear-ends, weren't enough to disguise the fact that it was almost pure 99.

As distinctive to drive as it is to look at
As distinctive to drive as it is to look at
99 Flake
But central to Saab's upmarket ambitions was the 900 Turbo - a car that boasted high equipment levels and a price tag to match. Its blown 2.0-litre 145hp challenger found itself up against some tasty six- and eight-cylinder rivals. But the 900 Turbo acquited itself well, and found a growing fan base thanks to a combination of timeless styling, brilliant dealers, and laggy performance. Early road tests excitedly reported the whooshing turbo, vivid acceleration and huge mid-range grunt.

Saab didn't leave it at that. In 1982, the engine-managed APC version was launched, and civilised the lag without compromising performance; while in '84, the intercooled 16-valve 175bhp T16S burst on to the scene. You could buy the 16-valve turbo in standard trim - but no-one did.

Always one for the non-conformist in a hurry
Always one for the non-conformist in a hurry
It was the T16S that everyone wanted. It was instantly recognisable thanks to a sleek de-chromed look, three-spoke alloys, sill skirts and front and rear spoilers. Suspension was stiffened and lowered, improving the stance and new anti-roll bars further tightened up handling. Performance was claimed to be pacesetting, too - maximum speed was on the right side of 130mph and 0-60mph was down to the low sevens, placing the T16S firmly in Rover Vitesse or BMW 528i terriory.

Bork, bork, bork
And when the T16S went on sale in the UK early in 1984 for £14,390, the marketing push really began. Lavish TV and magazine adverts emphasising the (distant) family links between the 900 Turbo and the Viggen jet fighter. Seems cheesy now, but it was an overwhelmingly successful campaign, perfectly judged for the image-conscious 80s. In 1987, the 900 was mildly faceifted with a smoother front-end and lean-back nose - and from that point on, the T16S didn't really change until it went out of production in 1993. That event is still mourned today by many Saab fans.

Logical yet quirky and idiosyncratic
Logical yet quirky and idiosyncratic
Today, a nice 900 T16S is still a very special thing to drive, and more than capable of turning heads. From the moment you open the vault-like doors, noting that there are no sills to climb over, and make yourself comfortable in the supremely supportive driver's seat, you can't fail but be impressed by how unconventional it all feels. The view through the wraparound windscreen is unrivalled while the dash itself is a no-nonsense affair, with chunky controls and wonderfully calibrated instruments.

Starting it using the floor-mounted ignition key reveal a characterless four-pot idle, overlaid by a lovely burbling exhaust note. But once you're off, the T16S's character begins to shine through. There's appreciable gear whine in first, which - truth be told - just adds to the unique flavour of this car. It's overlaid by plenty of turbo whistle once you're pushing, and the boost gauge is heading into the red. Most people will adore this.

Few others can make three-spokers look cool
Few others can make three-spokers look cool
Think about it
The notchy, long-throw gearbox is hardly sporting, though. But but you won't mind too much, as the T16S is blessed with strong acceleration to the red line when you're on it, and oodles of mid-range torque when you're not. Either way, you'll be going a fair bit more quickly than you thought you were at any given time. The T16S is a cereberal car that makes going fast in a straight line a gratifying process.

Speaking of which, it's time to put to bed that old myth that Saabs don't go round corners. This is simply untrue in the case of the T16S. Thanks to a fiendishly clever rear beam axle fitted with a Panhard rod and a pair of Watt's linkages, handling is never anything other than neutral - with the added bonus of a touch of passive rear steer when grip levels were reduced. It also generates huge amounts of lateral adhesion, and will post excellent A to B times in the right hands. In snow, a T16S is simply brilliant - even more so on a post-'87 car with rear handbrake.

Wrap-around screen makes for a great view
Wrap-around screen makes for a great view
Steering is also precise and well-weighted, if slightly low-geared. It does have one foible, though - it doesn't self-centre. So, just like a Lamborghini Miura driver, a T16S pilot will end up winding off their own lock on demanding roads - some will like it, other will hate it. But given the dynamic excellence of a well-sorted T16S, that's not too much to complain about.

Thinking man's hero
T16Ss are still well respected, and good ones can easily fetch £5,000. They're not without issues - all are old now, and despite being fashioned from thick steel by Swedish craftsmen, the 60s underpinnings mean certain corrosion honeytraps lurk underneath. The gearboxes are notoriously weak, too. But these cars eat high mileages for breakfast, and it's not unusual to see show-standard cars today with more than 200,000 miles on the clock. Because they're so capable and tough, it's extremely hard finding one with low miles - and those that are out there have already been snapped up by collectors.

Motoring landscape less interesting without Saab
Motoring landscape less interesting without Saab
But don't let that put you off a T16S - it really is a thinking man's PH Hero. Those who truly 'get' these fast Saabs love its idiosyncracies, and quirky styling, finding jumping back into a 'normal' car a bit of a soul-sapping experience. But for the rest of us, there's still no denying its all round excellence and unflappable, super-cool, Swedish character. It may be 20 years since the last example rolled off the line in Trollhättan, and Saab stopped being Saab, but even today, there are still plenty of well-fancied cars that will be left trailing in its whistling, whining, wake given the right piece of road...



SAAB 900T16S
Engine:
1,985cc 4-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Power (hp): 175@5,300rpm
Torque (lb ft): 201@3,000rpm
0-62mph: 6.9 sec (to 60mph)
Top speed: 135mph
Weight: 1,340kg
On sale: 1984-1993
Price new (1989): £18,395
Price now: £1,000-£6,000

 

 

 

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LordFlathead

Original Poster:

9,641 posts

259 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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The car that started the Turbo "wars"...

billzeebub

3,865 posts

200 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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I've had loads of these and absoloutely love them to bits. So much character and totally over engineered . A proper car

prg123

1,308 posts

164 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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I love the look of those, especially the black ones with the three spoke alloys....

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BTW - You spelt acceleration wrong - "acceration"
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- Pete

kwak

210 posts

153 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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About the handling: don't forget that this is one of the few fwd cars that doesn't really do torque steer. Thank the dual whishbones and equal length driveshafts for that.

drivin_me_nuts

17,949 posts

212 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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such a distinctive car. the exhaust noise in multistory carparks is enough to put a smile on your face. My dream garage would include a fully restored T16s and T16 s convertible, if not to drive then just to stare at. For me, one of the most pleasing automotive shapes ever, especially the convertible, top down.

Vince70

1,939 posts

195 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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I had the cheaper 90 which was the back end of a 900 and the front end of a 99 it was a brilliant car and when I sold with around 200 000 miles on the clock and the engine was still running sweet.

I loved the little quirks such as the lockable gearstick and the vision was fantastic with its curved screen and I've never had seats since in a car which give you such support and comfort combined plus even the most basic car gave you bottom warmers.

How did Saab build an engine which was basically a slant 4 triumph lump but make it so reliable.


only1ian

689 posts

195 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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Only ever experienced a 95 but it made me want to go back into the brands older iconic cars. Sounds like this might be abit of a bargain:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/s...

Hub

6,440 posts

199 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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Always liked these, very distinctive in many ways - and cool with it. Top of my 80's classics list along with the 205 GTI.

Baryonyx

17,998 posts

160 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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I remember years ago looking at a white 900 Turbo with matching bumpers and three spoke wheels. Great looking car. At the time, it was one of the better ones on the market, and would probably be worth at least twice what it would have cost me then. I never did go for it, despite lots of thinking on it...

DKS

1,678 posts

185 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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Gratuitous pics time:





Picked this little gem up for a monkey as part of a classic Saab dealer's stock wind-down a few months ago. Mainly just the looks and build. It has 230k in it but I really think you'd struggle to notice. It's had recent new ball joints, shocks, springs and tyres; I had to replace the rear brake hoses for MOT after it'd sat for a year.
In all honestly it's not a match on the road for my 16V GTE which destroys it in any test of outright performance but it's still a hoot to drive. It's really a waste of time gunning it in first as you just run out of revs too quick and the 'box just won't let you smash through the gears, you have to take your time. 2nd and 3rd is really where the fun starts and in 4th and 5th it's quite amazing just how easily the needle swings round into the naughty end. With a little bit of boost hills just don't exist.
On the other end of the scale it's one of the easiest cars to drive slow around town. It'll sit in 5th at 30 with no grumbles and you can easily keep the revs down under 1500 and keep up with traffic. I'm getting about 27-29 MPG too which I'm very impressed with. As said, trundling around a multi story car is wonderful as the burble from the exhaust is every petrol heads dream, almost a V8 kind of noise.
On the boring side the boot is huge, the engine is generally easy to work on and little features like the back of the dash clocks are accessible through the speaker grille means replacing bulbs takes under 5 minutes and you wonder why all dashes aren't made like this.
It has vacuum driven heater flaps and an old-skool water valve for the heater (which can burn skin if you leave it on full!). Also the dash fan has no off position. Lots of lovely little quirks I'm still finding now!
Sorry for the self indulgent post but that's how chuffed I am with it! smile

wfarrell

232 posts

221 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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Unfortunately Saab stopped being Saab as soon as they were absorbed into the General Motor's parts bin and commodity mentality.

GM didn't understood the brand, acted contemptuously towards towards Saab customers, delivered hateful misguided products, and ultimately performed an act of corporate vandalism on a one-time successful and respected car company.

rtz62

3,371 posts

156 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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Damn you PH,
I've been looking for a mint low-miles T16S for months now, and, as Peppa Pig would say, 'Hey Pesto', you pop up and immediately draw everyone's attention to them!
Thanks! Thanks a bunch!
Having said that, I have already owned a mint low miles one some years ago, and whilst not fast in modern terms, they have character, and are a delightful drive.

DKS

1,678 posts

185 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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only1ian said:
Only ever experienced a 95 but it made me want to go back into the brands older iconic cars. Sounds like this might be abit of a bargain:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/s...
That needs to be bought. It'll only go up in price IMO.

morgrp

4,128 posts

199 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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I'm not a Saab fan but these were terrific cars even if they were nothing like, or even remotely related to the viggen jet which ironically ran a Volvo rm8 turbofan.

Bought my brother one - a T16s aero in metallic green - paid £1200 with two rusty front wings - fitted new wings for him and tinkered with the turbo actuator (good old garett turbos!) and it was fast and mint!
I always remember him "claiming" it was a car that when overtaking you would pull out first and then boot it on account of the lag otherwise it would catch you out and you'd end up in the chuff of the car in front! - never noticed it myself as stirring the gears used to keep it well and truly stoked up and on boost

I sold it for him for £2500 and he replaced it with a Citroen zx 16v -another cracking car - but to date the Saab is the car that I've made the best turn around on when selling

Whiters

364 posts

240 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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rtz62 said:
Damn you PH...
...'Hey Pesto', you pop up and immediately draw everyone's attention to them!
Thanks! Thanks a bunch!
^^^ That! furious

I am considering getting some brave pills and using one for the daily commute for a year. 100 miles a day... I can just about justify if someone can tell me it'll get into the 30s on a long, relatively traffic free run. Or am I just kidding myself??

Rammy76

1,050 posts

184 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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LordFlathead said:
The car that started the Turbo "wars"...
It was more this one



I nearly had the chance of saving one from the scrapyard but my bitter and twisted ex aunt wouldn't sell it and rather have it crushed frown

Cupramax

10,482 posts

253 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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wfarrell said:
Unfortunately Saab stopped being Saab as soon as they were absorbed into the General Motor's parts bin and commodity mentality.
You didnt see the Top Gear article did on them did you, they may have been GM parts to an extent but SAAB still completely re engineered the cars despite GM telling them to just use the existing chassis. That is partly what signed their death knell.

Rammy76

1,050 posts

184 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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Who's the guy on here that's got the stunning black example? It's such a shame SAAB went the same way as MG Rover, such well engineered cars that were also a little bit different.

heretheygo

1,117 posts

206 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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Rammy76 said:
LordFlathead said:
The car that started the Turbo "wars"...
It was more this one



I nearly had the chance of saving one from the scrapyard but my bitter and twisted ex aunt wouldn't sell it and rather have it crushed frown
had the 95,95,99 ems, 90, 99 turbo (with factory water injection kit)these started the turbo craze imo, 900t8 and 900t16 - not a big fan of the carlsson kit nor the sonnet.
all of them had really neat touches - eg the quick release drivers seat in the ems, freewheel on the 95/96 etc etc.
always thought i'd get the vigggen but went for an msport instead. moved on....
a t16s in metallic grey with full aero kit if I come into any money......

samoht

5,736 posts

147 months

Monday 26th August 2013
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Whiters said:
I am considering getting some brave pills and using one for the daily commute for a year. 100 miles a day... I can just about justify if someone can tell me it'll get into the 30s on a long, relatively traffic free run. Or am I just kidding myself??
Sounds entirely sensible, it seems like these aren't really depreciating and aren't that mileage sensitive, so I'd have thought it would be an eminently sensible financial choice.