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Mashedpotatoes

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A week or so ago I posted a piece about the Ford Taurus that post disappeared with out trace in no time at all. So I am bringing this back up as I think it is relevant to the C63 AMG feature.
I cant afford a £70,000 car but I still want a fast comfortable car so where do I look BMW, MERC Audi are all to expensive. The French are just to French and the Jap stuff doesn't appeal at all. Monaroes look like great fun don't get me wrong but have a whiff of medallions and perms about them.
While in Dubai I saw a Ford Taurus that looked IMHO cracking. Since home and looking on interweb it comes with (in US spec) a 3.5 V6 ecoboost churning out a very respectable 365hp and 350lb-ft at a cost in the US of $39k
So surely I am not the only fat slightly balding middle age business man that cant afford Ze Germans but would find this car most agreeable or am I ?

LuS1fer

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The VXR8 didn't sell - they were down to £25k new at one time so there is the answer.

ewenm

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Most people would rather the lower-powered German over the high-powered Ford/Vauxhall.

Maybe the global Mustang that is touted as in the pipeline will offer something...

Roo

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Why not just buy a Taurus?

Mashedpotatoes

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LuS1fer said:
The VXR8 didn't sell - they were down to £25k new at one time so there is the answer.
I think a 6L V8 would put most off but 3.5 V6 turbo is more A La mode
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Monaro5.7

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LuS1fer said:
The VXR8 didn't sell - they were down to £25k new at one time so there is the answer.
AHHHHH but Vauxhall learnt from this and now only bring in demo cars and then you place your order for what ever car you want.

This allows them to offer all colours and models inc the estate version and ute.

Now Ford could do the same as i would love a Ford Falcon Boss 400 from Oz

This is what Ford should make avalible throw special order.

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/coming-s...

Edited by Monaro5.7 on Monday 11th November 16:52

ewenm

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Mashedpotatoes said:
LuS1fer said:
The VXR8 didn't sell - they were down to £25k new at one time so there is the answer.
I think a 6L V8 would put most off but 3.5 V6 turbo is more A La mode
It has got the wrong badge. This matters to many, hence good sales of low-end BMW/Audi/Merc models.

Mashedpotatoes

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Roo said:
Why not just buy a Taurus?
My question was based more on is there a market for Ford to return to big fast Fords rather than individuals buying or importing themselves.

Roo

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In which case ewenm has answered your question quite well.

Ford are seen as mass market run of the cars in Europe.

Look what happened the last time they sold a big car here.

Mashedpotatoes

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Roo said:
In which case ewenm has answered your question quite well.

Ford are seen as mass market run of the cars in Europe.

Look what happened the last time they sold a big car here.
Roo in your professional opinion what would the Ford Taurus SHO cost if ford marketed it here in the UK bearing in mind it costs 39k USD

Roo

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Anything above £29,995 they'd have no chance of selling it.

It would need to be at least £39,995 though to justify the work involved in selling it here.

£44,995 would be my guess.

So, nearly double what it would be worth in real terms. Pretty much like a lot of cars over here.

Mashedpotatoes

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Looks like Ford are resigned to a life of hatch backs and repmobiles frown
Roo were you referring to the Scorpio when you said look what happened last time they tried it ?

300bhp/ton

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Mashedpotatoes said:
Roo said:
In which case ewenm has answered your question quite well.

Ford are seen as mass market run of the cars in Europe.

Look what happened the last time they sold a big car here.
Roo in your professional opinion what would the Ford Taurus SHO cost if ford marketed it here in the UK bearing in mind it costs 39k USD
I suspect you can't really come up with a figure, although as a trend any US cars sold in the UK tend to simply $ for £ and retain the same numbers.

But if you are correct and saying $39k gets you one on the road in the US, then that is retail price, not cost, it has been shipped to it's final destination and presumably some kind of tax paid.

This means, if Ford wanted to, there must be margin to sell them here for £26k. Sure the shipping will be slightly more, but it's not going to be thousands, plus they'll be paying shipping in USD and likely get a bulk rate individual importers can only dream of.

Euro type approval and maybe RHD conversion costs might need to be accounted somehow, but no idea what this would really run too.

But remember Jaguar and Land Rover manage to build in the UK, ship to the US and still retail them cheaper than they are here. Doing it the other way round should mean lower costs and no reason for a massively inflated price.

LuS1fer

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Mashedpotatoes said:
Looks like Ford are resigned to a life of hatch backs and repmobiles frown
Roo were you referring to the Scorpio when you said look what happened last time they tried it ?
Untrue.
The Mondeo is plenty big enough, it just needs to be fast enough. A turbocharged version of the 2.5 would do the job. However, history has proven that cars ike this sell far better when paired with something exotic like Cosworth or Lotus, neither of whom are really available for the task. They could always get SVT to do one and stick a shelby badge on it (shudder...).

As with anything these days, it's the CO2 which kills this market.
I wonder if their 1.0 can be bored out and blown with twin turbos?

Mashedpotatoes

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LuS1fer said:
Untrue.
The Mondeo is plenty big enough, it just needs to be fast enough. A turbocharged version of the 2.5 would do the job. However, history has proven that cars ike this sell far better when paired with something exotic like Cosworth or Lotus, neither of whom are really available for the task. They could always get SVT to do one and stick a shelby badge on it (shudder...).

As with anything these days, it's the CO2 which kills this market.
I wonder if their 1.0 can be bored out and blown with twin turbos?
I own a Mondeo I've always thought it more aligned to the 3 series size than the 5 what's your thinking in between maybe ?

LuS1fer

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Mashedpotatoes said:
LuS1fer said:
Untrue.
The Mondeo is plenty big enough, it just needs to be fast enough. A turbocharged version of the 2.5 would do the job. However, history has proven that cars ike this sell far better when paired with something exotic like Cosworth or Lotus, neither of whom are really available for the task. They could always get SVT to do one and stick a shelby badge on it (shudder...).

As with anything these days, it's the CO2 which kills this market.
I wonder if their 1.0 can be bored out and blown with twin turbos?
I own a Mondeo I've always thought it more aligned to the 3 series size than the 5 what's your thinking in between maybe ?
I think the Mondeo is much bigger than the 3.
The point is that it is hampered by FWD but the Focus Cosworth proves that need not be a gross impediment though in the RWD sector, it probably would be for "purists". Like anything, it comes down to price.

Mashedpotatoes

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LuS1fer said:
I think the Mondeo is much bigger than the 3.
The point is that it is hampered by FWD but the Focus Cosworth proves that need not be a gross impediment though in the RWD sector, it probably would be for "purists". Like anything, it comes down to price.
Rather than have the expense of developing a new drive train that could handle near 400 bhp surely introducing a new model (that has allready been built) would be better.
Plus a 3.5 v6 turbo sounds like more fun than a 2.5 turbo to me wink

Monaro5.7

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For me Ford should make this avalible throw special order.

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/coming-s...

R/H/D already to go.

And made by a UK company wink

Edited by Monaro5.7 on Monday 11th November 16:57

kingofdbrits

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I don't think the Insignia VXR was a good seller, and i remember reading about a deisel Insignia VXR that never happened. I'm sure Ford have thought about a rival car but decided it's not worth it.

Fast Bug

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Mashedpotatoes said:
Rather than have the expense of developing a new drive train that could handle near 400 bhp surely introducing a new model (that has allready been built) would be better.
Plus a 3.5 v6 turbo sounds like more fun than a 2.5 turbo to me wink
The economies of scale of redeveloping a LHD car to RHD, going through type approval, crash testing, etc etc for tiny (and I mean tiny) number mean that it wouldn't make financial sense.

How many people would buy a big, thirsty Ford? How many Vauxhall VXR's do you see on the road? Come to think of it, when did you last see a petrol Mondeo? Or Passat? How many Passat W8's did VW sell? And that was based on a car that was already available in Europe, so additional cost were small compared to bringing something in from the States.
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