Arrested for handling stolen goods. Unfair?

Arrested for handling stolen goods. Unfair?

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PH21736

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9 posts

120 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Gargamel

14,993 posts

261 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Get a good lawyer, sounds like a terrible situation.

I hear more and more of this kind of thing, the Police go after the easy arrest, rather than trying to catch the person who actually committed the original crime which required the Police.



PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Huh?

The owner got his back thanks to you, then got another one off you by contacting the police?

PH21736

Original Poster:

9 posts

120 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Huh?

The owner got his back thanks to you, then got another one off you by contacting the police?
He got his own back, yes. But when he called the police he conveniently forgot to tell them I returned his laptop, but try telling the police that.

Greendubber

13,214 posts

203 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Why did you not contact police when you discovered it was stolen?


Engineer1

10,486 posts

209 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Get real legal advice so you don't mess anything up. But proving what you did and that you contacted the owner may help.

Du1point8

21,608 posts

192 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Sorry dont follow you...

You have CCTV proving what happened and didnt use it, you had already given the laptop back and done a good deed, then got done for having the same laptop still in your posession?

So you gave it back or didnt? Or gave one back and had another stolen one?

Im lost on that bit.

Trax

1,537 posts

232 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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I dont understand, just because you touched a stolen computer, doesnt mean you 'handled it', did any of the policemen touch it too? Did they arrest themselves??

Why did the police steal/take another computer off you if you successfully did your duty and returned the stolen laptop to the owner?

Did you not have a lawyer in with you? Where you just not laughing at them during the ineterview, asking how stupid they can be? Repeatedly, as thats what I (would like to think anyway) would have done.

Did you not ask to speak to someone with intelligence, did you ask on what basis you were 'handling' stolen goods? And again, are they 'simple'?

AndrewEH1

4,917 posts

153 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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I'm guessing this laptop was left/stolen on a train.

Perhaps a government laptop too, seeing as the police have a hard-on for you.

Talk to a lawyer.

Edited by AndrewEH1 on Tuesday 6th May 14:44

Greendubber

13,214 posts

203 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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PH21736 said:
I apologise if I'm a bit confusing. To summarise, I gave it back to the owner, the police now accept that, however there arrest is because I had the laptop in between taking it from customer A and giving it back to the owner. When they came I didn't have the laptop, the owner had it because I gave it back to him
In the future contact Police asap and inform them that you have some stolen property. Thats what cash generators etc do, are you involved with Immobilise?. A huge online database that lots of shops use to check goods that they get in, have a look into it. Its not down to you to get involved with reuniting someone with their stolen property.

The guy who got his laptop back is free to make an allegation against you, the police are duty bound to act on it and investigate it. That investigation resulted in your arrest, did they search your shop?

Trax

1,537 posts

232 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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PH21736 said:
I assumed that handling meant like selling it on or using it etc, and when I went to the police station I didn't ask for a solicitor because thought explaining to them what had happened would make them realised, my 'handling' was simply taking from the customer and giving to the owner.
Hopefully the police will take no further action, however it was a mistake to not have legal advice. I would think it will be very clear to the police you didnt 'handle stolen goods', as you returned it to the owner as opposed to selling/reparing it after knowing it was stolen. Or is common sense to allowed these days.

Greendubber

13,214 posts

203 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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PH21736 said:
I've never heard of immobilise, I'll look into it, thank you. They did search it, but I did show them CCTV with the owner taking back the laptop, so there wasn't anything to be found.
Its a great system, people log the serial numbers etc of goods on there and when they're stolen they update the system. Lots of shops like CEX ect check the system upon receipt of goods, it shows them if they are stolen or not. It protects them from taking in nicked gear, gives the police an enquiry as to who stole the item and also returns the item to the owner.

The Police will need to prove any dishonesty on your part, however if it happened as you state then they wont be able to but that doesn't make the arrest unnecessary. I think you have been more naive than anything else.


Stu R

21,410 posts

215 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Lawyer up ASAP and don't trust the bib as far as you can throw them. Even if it looks like a reasonable outcome is on the horizon it's prudent to take legal advice given what a bunch of spanners they've been thus far.

Edited by Stu R on Tuesday 6th May 14:56

Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

128 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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PH21736 said:
He got his own back, yes. But when he called the police he conveniently forgot to tell them I returned his laptop, but try telling the police that.
So the police just selected another laptop at random and took that?? Could you not prove that one was bought legitimately? Sounds very very strange to me. And making you install their CCTV??? Never heard of anything quite like that.

Mk3Spitfire

2,921 posts

128 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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Trax said:
did any of the policemen touch it too? Did they arrest themselves??

Why did the police steal/take another computer

Where you just not laughing at them during the ineterview, asking how stupid they can be? Repeatedly, as thats what I (would like to think anyway) would have done.
And again, are they 'simple'?
Hmmmm......

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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I can understand why they'd want to investigate in this manner. The risk of missing a substantial handler is probably too great.

There may be some unknown things, too. Intelligence, for example: "X is regularly stealing laptops from Y railway station. He takes them to an unknown laptop repair shop in the area of Z".

Always have legal advice. I'd be quite confident if you have no previous convictions for acquisitive crime, didn't know or believe it to be stolen (hard to prove) and run a legit business you'll be released without any further action being taken.

TC99

119 posts

123 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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This smells like bull manure to me.

Stu R

21,410 posts

215 months

Tuesday 6th May 2014
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OP deleted? Chinny