RE: Solitude: My Dream Drive

RE: Solitude: My Dream Drive

Thursday 8th May 2014

Solitude: My Dream Drive

Drive the forgotten German road circuit nestling in the hills above Stuttgart



Name: Dan Trent
Where: Solitude road circuit, Stuttgart
Car used:Mercedes SLS AMG GT Final Edition

Original control tower and pits survive
Original control tower and pits survive
The route:
"Located in the hills west of Stuttgart, not far from the airport, this eight-mile road loop is one of Europe's forgotten race tracks. Named after the nearby Schloss Solitude, it originally ran as a hill climb and then various circuit layouts in the 20s before moving a short distance away to become a more modern road loop in the mould of Spa, Reims and other classic European circuits. It was last used in anger in 1965.

"These days the only sign you're on an old race track are the old control tower and pit buildings on the finishing straight but the lap is still driveable and a tantalising glimpse of what must have been a hell of a race track and, were it still used, one up there with classics like Spa, the 'ring and others."

A Mercedes Type S at a Solitude race in 1927
A Mercedes Type S at a Solitude race in 1927
Why it's a dream drive:
"Solitude was never in the league of some of the better known European racing circuits and is probably best known as a motorcycle track. But for a short period in the 60s it was in the limelight and hosted Formula 1 and 2 events, attracting legends like John Surtees, Jim Clark, Jack Brabham, Hans Herrmann and others. You can read a full history of the track here.

"Anyone with an interest in classic racing really should make the trip and if you're in town to visit the Porsche and/or Mercedes museums you should try and make the diversion on your way to the airport. Like all old race tracks there's a poignancy about the place and the strange sense that, despite trundling along among day-to-day traffic, you're actually following in the tyre tracks of racing heroes. To most people it's just a twisty bit of road on the outskirts of a big German city; the first sight of the iconic control tower and pits reminds you there's a bit more to it than that.

Twisty route has all the classic ingredients
Twisty route has all the classic ingredients
"It's a lovely little loop too, the sharp gradient up from the beer garden at the start opening up into a rolling, forested back-road with plenty of twists and turns. A new junction sends you onto the second leg which would have been fast and open back in the day before a plunge back down the hill on a corner the equal of the Karussell if you were able to take it in anger. The final meandering run up the valley to the start/finish must have been blindingly quick in the day too and a real test of mettle to keep the speed up through the tightening series of bends."

Highlights and lowlights:
"Truth be told you're not going to be able to even have a taste of what Solitude must have been like to drive in anger; the Nurburgring this is not and speed limits are low, traffic is busy and it's likely to be a trundle. Which is why our video lap has been sped up a tad; you get a sense of the track without the dawdling pace!

"Instead enjoy the atmosphere and speculate on what it must have been like to see local heroes like the giant Kompressor Mercedes of the 20s and 30s and more delicate Porsche single seaters of the 50s and 60s at maximum attack before pacing up and down the pits and grabbing a snap of the famous control tower. That there's a large beer garden just a few hundred metres away has its benefits too."

A Mercedes K thunders in the forest, 1926
A Mercedes K thunders in the forest, 1926
Sights, stop-offs and diversions:
"Given that it's the home of both Porsche and Mercedes both brands have major presences in Stuttgart proper. The Porsche museum and its Mercedes equivalent are both must-visit facilities if you're in town, Solitude a fitting finale to both. The vast castle after which the circuit is named is also pretty impressive if you're into that kind of thing. And if you're really taken with it you can even order a Solitude print or T-shirt from the PH shop too!

"At the track itself the wooded surroundings are pleasant enough too and you can sit and watch learner drivers at the adjacent ADAC test track - the only remaining active circuit at Solitude. There's also the nearby beer garden (that may have been mentioned...) and another half way round the circuit. If you have other needs they can seemingly be serviced before you reach the pits in a large house just off the track; the shutters were down when we were in town but the, cough, red lights were on..."


Follow the route here.


A lap of Solitude in the SLS GT Final Edition

[Sources: Solitude Revival, Photos: Daimler AG/Mercedes-Benz archive, lead photo of Stirling Moss's Lotus 18/21 leading the pack away in 1961 by LAT Photo]

 

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AndyWoodall

Original Poster:

2,625 posts

260 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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Been up there a couple of times and ate at the castle for a Porsche Club function once, has great views.

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

129 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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Looks like an interesting track... wasn't Spa actually used as a public road when not in use as a race track? Makes me wonder if a weekend road closure could be staged enabling a bit of historic racing...

z06tim

558 posts

187 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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Interesting. How come I never knew about this? Even after spending three months working in Affalterbach on the gullwing Merc. Probably drove some of these roads and never knew it!

dlockhart

434 posts

173 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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Given how close to Sindlefingen this must be a favourite with Merc test drivers. I have seen a few masked up mercs going up and down the a81 when I lived there. If I ever go visit my friends there by car I will have to have a go myself

Monkey boy 1

2,063 posts

232 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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Some of these old lesser knows race tracks are known to people who played the on-line racing games like Grand Prix Legends, many players probably think that tracks like Solitude, Avus & Grenzlandring they are just made up tracks in someones computer mind, but no, they are real.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

169 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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dlockhart said:
Given how close to Sindlefingen this must be a favourite with Merc test drivers. I have seen a few masked up mercs going up and down the a81 when I lived there. If I ever go visit my friends there by car I will have to have a go myself
Allegedly back in the day they test drove 300SL Gullwings round as bare chassis! I've nothing to back the rumour up but I like the idea.

Dan

993RSGT3

84 posts

175 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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Petrolpics published a great book on the circuit

http://www.motorsport-books.de/Buecher/product-149...

sorry, the link is to the German language site.

MissChief

7,124 posts

169 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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Monkey boy 1 said:
Some of these old lesser knows race tracks are known to people who played the on-line racing games like Grand Prix Legends, many players probably think that tracks like Solitude, Avus & Grenzlandring they are just made up tracks in someones computer mind, but no, they are real.
One of my favourite GPL tracks alongside Rouen and the old Spa. 'ring goes without saying too!

andybu

293 posts

209 months

Thursday 8th May 2014
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I think it was Motor Sport magazine that ran a series of features pieces on abandoned european race tracks. About ten years back, if memory serves. They covered Spa, Rouen, Reims, Solitude, Zandvoort, Chimay, Pescara, Garda, amongst others, and finally the daddy of them all - Clermont Ferrand. About 1/4 of that one is still in use as a race circuit for minor formulae. The rest is minor public roads and you can drive it. Every time I'm in that part of France I can't resist another lap. Jackie Stewart rated it as the most difficult circuit he raced on, putting it above the 14 mile Nurburgring in degree of difficulty... Well worth a detour if you are journeying in central france.

dlockhart

434 posts

173 months

Friday 9th May 2014
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Dan Trent said:
Allegedly back in the day they test drove 300SL Gullwings round as bare chassis! I've nothing to back the rumour up but I like the idea.

Dan
Given the tubular chassis it would be like an early peak at the v8 front engine arial atom

rogerhudson

338 posts

159 months

Saturday 10th May 2014
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I think i read that Porsche used to use it for car testing, there used to be video of 911 building in the 2.2 era ( my era) which showed roads like Solitude. I know the Porsche PR people used to use it.
Those factory video segments on Youtube were removed so i suppose its on a Porsche DVD but i haven't found it yet , any ideas?

Roono

43 posts

160 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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Good timing Mr Trent.
Currently in the Alsace region at the moment, and we fly back from Stuttgart later today on the last day of our honeymoon!

The new Mrs Roono has got the route sorted on her GPS. Maybe our low powered petrol hire car will be more fun in the slow traffic than the monster you took around? Fingers crossed.


AER

1,142 posts

271 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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Dan Trent said:
Which is why our video lap has been sped up a tad; you get a sense of the track without the dawdling pace and avoids the illegal speeds from being too conspicuous!

Adenauer

18,584 posts

237 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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RoverP6B said:
Looks like an interesting track... wasn't Spa actually used as a public road when not in use as a race track? Makes me wonder if a weekend road closure could be staged enabling a bit of historic racing...
wink

http://www.solitude-revival.org/sr03-evt-13.htm

thiscocks

3,128 posts

196 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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Very quick track. Easily as daunting as old Spa in the wet I should think

Roono

43 posts

160 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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Well we got round it. A loop and bit of the track plus flight back to blighty!

There is a great bend near the restaurant by the ADAC entrance. Most of the speed limits are 60 kph.

The gearing of the hire car was quite good on the rise after that nice sweeping bend, we were just hitting 70 kph with revs starting to run out in second.

Wild Card 911

86 posts

147 months

Wednesday 21st May 2014
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An excellent location to photogragh your classic at, Solitude is well worth a visit. Very much like Reims. Only 11 Km south of the Porsche Museum and about 7 Km north of Sindelfingen (Mercedes).

The ADAC (Motoring organisation) who own the pit lane and the old paddock infield of the Bosch control building, haven´t cottoned on to the idea of restoring the old pit wall to look like they did in 1965. Maybe they will someday.

Since the Solitude Revival took place , now a second year - next time in 2015, there is certainly enough reason to awake the old ghosts.

Check out the Solitude Revival Website. A fantastic event. I drove in the event in 2013 (in a Porsche RS) and loved the circuit.

http://www.solitude-revival.org/

...unfortunately all in German - but use your intuition and you will find out enough about the event.

There is a fabulous Film of the first Revival - well worth taking in.....turn the sound up loud and enjoy.....commentary is in English....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiVgAlPtfNk

The corner mentioned previously is Hedersbach at Km1 and has almost corkscrew quality. Both uphill and down, it is excting.
The other highlight is the Schatten curve at Km 7 - a fast S combinationin front of the Hotel Schatten.
The 4 Km long slalom through the Mahdental would be amazing were it not for a rigorously enforced 60Kmh limit along that stretch. Many bikers have ended up wedged under the armco over the years and the authorities have reacted.

On Sundays the Hotel Glemseck is swamped with bikers - and a few classic and performance cars. Very entertaining to sit there on the armco and watch the show - from about 11am until 3pm. There is Biergarten and a restaurant in the Hotel.

Sitting on the terrace at the Hotel Schatten is also a good way to take in the atmosphere.

Do be careful of driving fast around the circuit - it is a public road and although there are currently no fixed cameras, they do regularly set up mobile speed traps.

If you are in the area doing the sights - do not miss out on the "Motorwelt" (aka. Meilenwerk) at Böblingen. Many classics, a couple of restaurants, exotic dealerships, Maserati, Harley showroom, The V8 Hotel ........


z06tim

558 posts

187 months

Wednesday 21st May 2014
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Thanks for posting that wildcard. Very interesting.

Evangelion

7,744 posts

179 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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MissChief said:
Monkey boy 1 said:
Some of these old lesser knows race tracks are known to people who played the on-line racing games like Grand Prix Legends, many players probably think that tracks like Solitude, Avus & Grenzlandring they are just made up tracks in someones computer mind, but no, they are real.
One of my favourite GPL tracks alongside Rouen and the old Spa. 'ring goes without saying too!
In GPL, Solitude is a GREAT drive. Almost my all-time favourite (only Crystal palace is better).

Ray Bell

4 posts

95 months

Friday 3rd June 2016
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I've taken some photos of the sections of circuit you missed...

It wasn't in 1965 as your map shows. I went out there today, a fabulous circuit, but I knew I had to find the bits you are missing.