New Ford Mustang - would you?
Discussion
The Crack Fox said:
That 2.3 V6 engine is crap, it's fitted some some Morgans now and even in a lightweight car like that it felt gutless and wasn't particularly economical either. The V8 looks more like it though.
The 2.3 litre V6 you refer to which is used in the Morgan is actually a 3.7 litre unit. It has 350 BHP in the US and is detuned to 290 for Morgan. It is actually a very good power unit. Have you driven a Morgan fitted with said engine? They go like a rocket.The 2.3 litre 4 cylider Ecoboost engine which will, in reality, be fitted to the Mustang is a superb engine with direct injection and other clever ideas.
Wait until you see a car in the flesh, the press pics make it look a bit nose heavy, I can assure you that this is not the case.
I will have one if funds allow upon release.
CYMR0 said:
BHC said:
I might, actually. I wonder what tax bracket the 2.3 will be. That seems like the better choice (although I'd be more likely to have the V8).
199g/km so £265.No, I wouldn't.
I think they've messed up the front in a bid for corporate identity.
It is now a "Mondeo Coupe" and we know how well the Cougar did.
Ironically, the new Mondeo and most modern Fords are good looking, as far as corporate noses go but the Mustang is a mess and never deserved corporate absorption.
Historically, the 1964-73 Mustangs are the most distinctive.
Then we got the Mustang II which was a weak-kneed excuse for a pony car and was followed by the Fox Mustang. This proved popular, being a handy size, albeit a bit bland in style and later looking like a big Escort. However, the main raison d'etre of the Mustang was the way it could be modified and personalised.
Then we had the SN95 which had a bit more style and conservatism about it.
Ultimately, though, we came to the 2005 retro-styled Mustang which pretty much saved the Mustang and sold like hot cakes. it prompted compettition from the camaro and Challenger which diluted sales somewhat and by 2013, all 3 were retro but beginning to look like they'd been round for some time.
I don't see, however, that the answer was to foist a corporate nose on the Mustang, in a bid to integrate it into a world car. Surely that is to defeat its very ethos.
Sure, Mustangs have been blown fours in the past but they didn't hold off the demaand for the resurgence of the V8s, now among the best engines out there in terms of cost and cheapness to maintain.
In the UK, Mustangs have always been eclectic, rare and special. Having them litter the roads like BMWs and Audis is a retrograde step, in my view. I still think a few panel changes could have made this a very successful Capri and allowed them to stick in a diesel without any outcry.
In short, I don't like the styling and would now have the Camaro or Challenger, neither of which owe anything to any corporate lemming vision.
However, I can do better than that as I have my 2005 supercharged GT, still the best looking of any of them.
I think they've messed up the front in a bid for corporate identity.
It is now a "Mondeo Coupe" and we know how well the Cougar did.
Ironically, the new Mondeo and most modern Fords are good looking, as far as corporate noses go but the Mustang is a mess and never deserved corporate absorption.
Historically, the 1964-73 Mustangs are the most distinctive.
Then we got the Mustang II which was a weak-kneed excuse for a pony car and was followed by the Fox Mustang. This proved popular, being a handy size, albeit a bit bland in style and later looking like a big Escort. However, the main raison d'etre of the Mustang was the way it could be modified and personalised.
Then we had the SN95 which had a bit more style and conservatism about it.
Ultimately, though, we came to the 2005 retro-styled Mustang which pretty much saved the Mustang and sold like hot cakes. it prompted compettition from the camaro and Challenger which diluted sales somewhat and by 2013, all 3 were retro but beginning to look like they'd been round for some time.
I don't see, however, that the answer was to foist a corporate nose on the Mustang, in a bid to integrate it into a world car. Surely that is to defeat its very ethos.
Sure, Mustangs have been blown fours in the past but they didn't hold off the demaand for the resurgence of the V8s, now among the best engines out there in terms of cost and cheapness to maintain.
In the UK, Mustangs have always been eclectic, rare and special. Having them litter the roads like BMWs and Audis is a retrograde step, in my view. I still think a few panel changes could have made this a very successful Capri and allowed them to stick in a diesel without any outcry.
In short, I don't like the styling and would now have the Camaro or Challenger, neither of which owe anything to any corporate lemming vision.
However, I can do better than that as I have my 2005 supercharged GT, still the best looking of any of them.
Edited by LuS1fer on Wednesday 4th June 13:08
New Ford Mustang - Would You?
Yes, in a heartbeat. Having seen it at the Mustang's 50th Birthday bash in Vegas, it looks superb in the metal.
I'd have to have a V8 though but, I have to say, the EcoBoost 2.3 (rumoured to be the engine of choice if the Focus RS ever sees the light of day) sounds superb.
Poor quality video, but you get the idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrNpFAj2Ic8
Yes, in a heartbeat. Having seen it at the Mustang's 50th Birthday bash in Vegas, it looks superb in the metal.
I'd have to have a V8 though but, I have to say, the EcoBoost 2.3 (rumoured to be the engine of choice if the Focus RS ever sees the light of day) sounds superb.
Poor quality video, but you get the idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrNpFAj2Ic8
LuS1fer said:
No, I wouldn't.
I think they've messed up the front in a bid for corporate identity.
It is now a "Mondeo Coupe" and we know how well the Cougar did.
Ironically, the new Mondeo and most modern Fords are good looking, as far as corporate noses go but the Mustang is a mess and never deserved corporate absorption.
Historically, the 1964-73 Mustangs are the most distinctive.
Then we got the Mustang II which was a weak-kneed excuse for a pony car and was followed by the Fox Mustang. This proved popular, being a handy size, albeit a bit bland in style and later looking like a big Escort. However, the main raison d'etre of the Mustang was the way it could be modified and personalised.
Then we had the SN95 which had a bit more style and conservatism about it.
Ultimately, though, we came to the 2005 retro-styled Mustang which pretty much saved the Mustang and sold like hot cakes. it prompted compettition from the camaro and Challenger which diluted sales somewhat and by 2013, all 3 were retro but beginning to look like they'd been round for some time.
I don't see, however, that the answer was to foist a corporate nose on the Mustang, in a bid to integrate it into a world car. Surely that is to defeat its very ethos.
Sure, Mustangs have been blown fours in the past but they didn't hold off the demaand for the resurgence of the V8s, now among the best engines out there in terms of cost and cheapness to maintain.
In the UK, Mustangs have always been eclectic, rare and special. Having them litter the roads like BMWs and Audis is a retrograde step, in my view. I still think a few panel changes could have made this a very successful Capri and allowed them to stick in a diesel without any outcry.
In short, I don't like the styling and would now have the Camaro or Challenger, neither of which owe anything to any corporate lemming vision.
However, I can do better than that as I have my 2005 supercharged GT, still the best looking of any of them.
I disagree. In my opinion the 1994 onwards shape was/is the most handsome. And I prefer the 2015 styling to the 2005 styling.I think they've messed up the front in a bid for corporate identity.
It is now a "Mondeo Coupe" and we know how well the Cougar did.
Ironically, the new Mondeo and most modern Fords are good looking, as far as corporate noses go but the Mustang is a mess and never deserved corporate absorption.
Historically, the 1964-73 Mustangs are the most distinctive.
Then we got the Mustang II which was a weak-kneed excuse for a pony car and was followed by the Fox Mustang. This proved popular, being a handy size, albeit a bit bland in style and later looking like a big Escort. However, the main raison d'etre of the Mustang was the way it could be modified and personalised.
Then we had the SN95 which had a bit more style and conservatism about it.
Ultimately, though, we came to the 2005 retro-styled Mustang which pretty much saved the Mustang and sold like hot cakes. it prompted compettition from the camaro and Challenger which diluted sales somewhat and by 2013, all 3 were retro but beginning to look like they'd been round for some time.
I don't see, however, that the answer was to foist a corporate nose on the Mustang, in a bid to integrate it into a world car. Surely that is to defeat its very ethos.
Sure, Mustangs have been blown fours in the past but they didn't hold off the demaand for the resurgence of the V8s, now among the best engines out there in terms of cost and cheapness to maintain.
In the UK, Mustangs have always been eclectic, rare and special. Having them litter the roads like BMWs and Audis is a retrograde step, in my view. I still think a few panel changes could have made this a very successful Capri and allowed them to stick in a diesel without any outcry.
In short, I don't like the styling and would now have the Camaro or Challenger, neither of which owe anything to any corporate lemming vision.
However, I can do better than that as I have my 2005 supercharged GT, still the best looking of any of them.
Edited by LuS1fer on Wednesday 4th June 13:08
BHC said:
I disagree. In my opinion the 1994 onwards shape was/is the most handsome. And I prefer the 2015 styling to the 2005 styling.
People will always disagree. The point is that sales are the decider.I always found it odd that despite the 4th gen Camaro/Firebird being so much faster and better than the Mustang, tey were stll outsold 2 to 1 by the Mustang - I always put that down to the more compact size and higher driving position of the Mustang appealing to more people, including women. The F-bodies were always very low slung.
kingofdbrits said:
Reading Quentin Wilson's article in the paper, he says they're all sold already. Anyone actually spoken to Ford to see if they have cars avaliable?
The first 500 EU. (LHD), cars, which were released for pre order during the champions league final were snapped up in 30 minutes, 9233 enquiries for that batch.The rest of the EU cars will be sold as normal from your friendly Ford dealer.
There will also be 7000 RHD units per year produced, these will be available from your friendly Ford dealer.
Hope that helps.
I probably will. Having always had big discounts off Ford's through family member it seems a bit of a no brainer.
I just hope they launch it better than the RS, I registered with 3 Ford Dealerships when that was announced, telling them to contact me as soon as the order books open and didn't hear a thing. I even registered on the Ford website to "keep me updated, nothing until they started springing up locally. I really wanted one of the first, same with the Mustang.
I'll probably have the 5.0 with everything done in black, rather looking forward to it
ETA
I just hope they launch it better than the RS, I registered with 3 Ford Dealerships when that was announced, telling them to contact me as soon as the order books open and didn't hear a thing. I even registered on the Ford website to "keep me updated, nothing until they started springing up locally. I really wanted one of the first, same with the Mustang.
I'll probably have the 5.0 with everything done in black, rather looking forward to it
ETA
Edited by Tuvra on Wednesday 4th June 13:43
Nope, I own a 2006 Model and I won't be even slightly tempted to upgrade to the 2015 car. I am not a fan of the corporate nose either, the mustang has (except as LU51FER says the later fox bodies) had its own identity (as did most of the cars of that ilk) the new one does not have that individual identity, Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, Mustang, they all have the same brand identity nose.
The new car offers me nothing that I would want/need on top of what my current 2006 car (in fact in some ways it detracts) does.
I have driven the LHD 2006 car now for five years (well five years this Saturday actually) covering just shy of 50,000 miles and I don't understand anybody having an issue with LHD.
I wish Ford every success with the car but if I were forced to buy one of the new cars when the 2015 model comes in I'd walk into the Chevy dealer and buy a 5th Gen Camaro SS (I'd prefer the COPO but that would take a fair chunk of work to make one road legal and they cost a fortune).
The new car offers me nothing that I would want/need on top of what my current 2006 car (in fact in some ways it detracts) does.
I have driven the LHD 2006 car now for five years (well five years this Saturday actually) covering just shy of 50,000 miles and I don't understand anybody having an issue with LHD.
I wish Ford every success with the car but if I were forced to buy one of the new cars when the 2015 model comes in I'd walk into the Chevy dealer and buy a 5th Gen Camaro SS (I'd prefer the COPO but that would take a fair chunk of work to make one road legal and they cost a fortune).
sandman77 said:
CYMR0 said:
The first 2.3 litre turbocharged four cylinder Mustang was in 1986.
No it wasnt, there was one in my 1984 20th anniversary GT350 mustang.i for one am very happy it's coming over, not sure i could afford the V8 new so may wait a year or if the 2.3 feels good enough go for one of those, if the power delivery feels right, (After all it has the same power output as my CLK500)
so to anyone getting a V8 that i may buy second hand could i please request the blue on the configurator, black wheels and no titnts please. thank you
I think it's a fantastic looking thing. So much better than the outgoing model and it's only really tweaking the concept...
Anyway, there are rumours floating around stateside that it is actually heavier than the old model when all the early press coverage was about its weight savings. Something strange is afoot.
Anyway, there are rumours floating around stateside that it is actually heavier than the old model when all the early press coverage was about its weight savings. Something strange is afoot.
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