RE: PH goes hillclimbing

RE: PH goes hillclimbing

Friday 6th June 2014

PH goes hillclimbing

Another reason to get after a cheap MX-5



Five grand won't get you very far in the world of modern motorsport, almost regardless of which category you want to compete in. But what if you could buy, modify and run a car for a whole season on less than that sum, including buying all your race kit, entry fees, travel and accommodation? Welcome to the world of hillclimbing a Mazda MX-5.

Step one? Hit the classifieds and bag a Mazda
Step one? Hit the classifieds and bag a Mazda
Reason enough to move fast and snap up one of the dwindling number of cheap and cheerful older MX-5s or Eunos variants lurking in the PH classifieds. Moving this on to the next logical step of competition is where the MX-5 excels thanks to its reasonable performance, nifty handling and a whole industry that has built up to support the world's most popular sports car. There are also plenty of other MX-5s already competing to give you an idea of what is possible and what times you should achieve.

This is why I found myself at Wiscombe Park in Devon. As a long-time fan of both hillclimbing and the NA/Mk1 Mazda MX-5, it was time to put the two together and discover just how much fun other competitors were having.

Pacing notes
Wiscombe is one of the few mainland UK hillclimbs I had not previously visited, so stories of it being one of the most demanding were still clanging in my ears as I walked up the hill before first practice. Watching videos of others in the week leading up to this meeting, organised by the very friendly and helpful Torbay Motor Club, just don't impress how steep and continuous the course is.

Little Mazda huffs and puffs up Wiscombe Park
Little Mazda huffs and puffs up Wiscombe Park
It's also a very technical hillclimb, demanding neat lines to preserve momentum, as well a bit of good old fashioned bravery to carry speed. Fortunately the Mazda is the perfect car to learn this type of course. Or it would have been were 'my' MX-5 not an immaculate one lady owner from new, 9,500-mile 1991 example that would be more at home in a collector's cocoon. A rude motorsport awakening awaited for this previously pampered example...

Even if the car was far more valuable than most Mk1 MX-5s, you could easily have a rattier contemporary of this car for Shed money or thereabouts, leaving enough for a season's hillclimbing. There are plenty of competitors using bargain MX-5s on the basis that if you bend it, you simply buy another one rather than fix it.

Suited and booted
Having found your car just add race numbers, timing beam strut and a couple of safety stickers, and you're ready. That kind of budget would also allow you to invest in some decent sticky but road legal tyres, generally reckoned to be worth around two seconds on typical courses. New Toyo Proxes were the tyres of choice for 'my' MX-5 and they offered decent traction off the line and through Wiscombe's bends and hairpins. More of a problem was the lack of a limited-slip differential, which really showed itself exiting the Sawbench and Martini hairpins.

Standard suspension possibly a bit soft...
Standard suspension possibly a bit soft...
My first run was a fairly slovenly 58.89, though I was pleased to be under the one minute barrier on the maiden trip. Wiscombe is unusual in having a very tight turn almost immediately after the start, which itself takes you over a low-walled bridge. Wis Corner leads on to Wis Straight and up to Bunny's Leap, which is the one section other drivers kept warning me to get right.

By going relatively slowly, Bunny's Leap was more of a gentle skip, but it also showed it should be easily possible to take flat out in the MX-5. This is because the Mk1 simply wasn't going to build enough speed for Bunny's to be the edgy crest it can be in quicker cars.

Man up
After Bunny's comes The Gate, which looks dauntingly narrow and tight on first approach. Further runs proved this could be taken more quickly than seems prudent, so long as you trust your car's suspension and brakes. The advantage of having a near showroom-fresh car was both of these elements were spot on.

Mint, original cars now rare ... so we raced it
Mint, original cars now rare ... so we raced it
Then come Esses One and Two, which require a lot of commitment to flow properly before a big brake and down into first gear for Sawbench Hairpin. Castle Straight is steep but fast and leads to another big braking zone into Martini Hairpin and the short sprint to the finish line.

After two practice and two timed runs, some familiarity with the course and the car resulted in a respectable 56.62 second best. For comparison, quickest time of the day went to Mike Lee in his OMS 2000M single-seater at 38.49 seconds. While the MX-5 was never going to challenge for FTD, the sense of enjoyment and competitive spirit is exactly the same.

The other advantage of hillclimbing a Mazda MX-5 is, at the end of the day, you just peel off the race numbers and head home while others are still loading cars on to trailers that cost more than your entire weekend's racing.

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HorneyMX5

Original Poster:

5,309 posts

150 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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I plan to do some of this and some sprinting in mine in 2015.

Edit: I think PH could also do a nice article on AutoSolos as that is the cheapest of these kinds of events and they are brilliant fun. A day's competition can cost you as little as £60 including entry, fuel and a bacon roll!

graham22

3,295 posts

205 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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Done Wiscomb many times on the bikes, our main meeting was in September so often damp under the trees from overnight mist - couldn't see the trace from the paddock one year due to mist!!

Nothing beats the post top ten run off, mass start race (sorry gentle ride) back down the hill - the bends take on a totally different character going the opposite way & with the aid of gravity.


bencollins

3,502 posts

205 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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Great article, sounds great fun for some adrenaline. Time attack, auto solos, hillclimbs do seem rather appealing, circuit racing against others (excluding karts) looks very expensive, i would just be worrying about bumping someone. would personally prefer to race in something with a cage.

PATTERNPART

693 posts

201 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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Excellent stuff. I do Auto Solos from time to time. Spectating at the Crystal Palace Sprint recently made me want to have a go up a hill or something similar in my Eunos. Curbrough looks a good place to start.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

204 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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Okay you have done a hillclimb

Next on the cheap Motorsport is

Autotest
Autosolo
Production car trial

All of which you can use an MX5 for

thatdude

2,655 posts

127 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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I'd quite like to have a go at hillclimbing on my motorbike. I dont plan on winning prizes. I dont even plan on finishing higher than last. But I'd like to give it a go.

How can I get involved?

My 71,000 mile SV650 is about run-in now!

GBB

1,737 posts

159 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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HorneyMX5 said:
I plan to do some of this and some sprinting in mine in 2015.

Edit: I think PH could also do a nice article on AutoSolos as that is the cheapest of these kinds of events and they are brilliant fun. A day's competition can cost you as little as £60 including entry, fuel and a bacon roll!
How much are you paying for Bacon Rolls? smile

I think my last one cost me £40 all in!

HorneyMX5

Original Poster:

5,309 posts

150 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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GBB said:
HorneyMX5 said:
I plan to do some of this and some sprinting in mine in 2015.

Edit: I think PH could also do a nice article on AutoSolos as that is the cheapest of these kinds of events and they are brilliant fun. A day's competition can cost you as little as £60 including entry, fuel and a bacon roll!
How much are you paying for Bacon Rolls? smile

I think my last one cost me £40 all in!
i eat quite a few! tongue out

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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I think that an MX-5 needs more thought giving to safety equipment than the car in the article has benefitted from.

HorneyMX5

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5,309 posts

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Friday 6th June 2014
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GC8 said:
I think that an MX-5 needs more thought giving to safety equipment than the car in the article has benefitted from.
Really? Motorsport is dangerous and we all know that but driving an MX5 to and from a hillclimb venue will have a greater degree of risk of death or maiming than doing four runs up the hill.

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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Definitely!

Look at this picture from Shelsey Walsh a few days ago:



That started as a touch of grass at the wrong place and it developed into a massive fk up!

I come from a racing family and I have seen a lot of crashes and crashed cars. I realise that it doesn't happen every week, but it certainly does happen and virtually any inversion on an MX-5 will see you dead.

HorneyMX5

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5,309 posts

150 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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That's not an MX5 though is it? I'm not saying you'd be fine in a crash/roll but a 5 will be carrying much less speed than a single seater built for sprint events.

roystinho

3,767 posts

175 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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^^^ what car is that?

I quite fancy a bit of hillclimbing for the reasons in the article. Not too bothered about winning, and I don't think I'd win in my class in a standard mini gp even if I was a driving god, but as something more competitive than a track day without going into silly amounts of money I think it'll be a nice little event

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646166/Ra...

Its a single seater hillclimb special. Daily Mail link, but it appears to be reasonably accurate, sensation-free and not particularly like a DM article, in fact.

Itsallicanafford

2,764 posts

159 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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I really want to give this a go this summer.

Have the car (Mk1 MX-5, roll bar, harness bar, sparco seat, 5 point harness, AD-08's)

do you just book and turn up like at a track day or is there more to it than that/

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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Youll almost certainly need to join a club and take it from there. Go to the UK Motorsport sub-forum and ask and there'll be plenty of people able to help you.

Youll probably need a Speed racing licence too, but that's still straightforward and not expensive.

keefr22

102 posts

199 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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Itsallicanafford said:
I really want to give this a go this summer.

Have the car (Mk1 MX-5, roll bar, harness bar, sparco seat, 5 point harness, AD-08's)

do you just book and turn up like at a track day or is there more to it than that/

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
You need to find an event you want to do & either get the regs on line (if they have a website, most if not all do now) or if not contact the entries sec. of the organising club to request an entry form. Fill in the form & either send it back with the entry fee or you can also pay on line for many events now. Most clubs will also let you join the club at the same time, & once you've joined you can also use that membership to enter any other events that club is invited to.

You need to check with the MSA Blue Book what class you will be entering - this will also determine whether your tyres are OK for that class - that can also depend on the Additional Supplimentary Regulations that the club issues for its event. There are two lists of tyres, 1A & 1B - most road going classes will require list 1A tyres, unless the organising club states differently. You don't need a 5 point harness unless you're entering a libre class.

You need in spec Helmet, fireproof suit & gloves. Most people also go for boots, but fireproof underwear/socks etc aren't mandatory.

At its most basic, car preparation can consist of wrapping yellow tape around the negative battery lead & marking the ignition switch on/off. Once you start modifying the car you need to make sure you do it properly to the relevant section of the blue book, or you could fail scrutineering on the event. For instance you may need to have certain sized 3mm strengthening plates welded under your roll bar if you want to run in modified production, the bar nees certain sized bolts, your seat may need strengthening plates depending on how its mounted etc..

And as mentioned above you need an MSA National B Non Race licence.

Its all in the Blue Book, which is also known as the Blur Book which you'll come to understand why when you start reading it! The BB also has a list of scrutineers local to you. Most of these guys are very helpful & its always worth contacting one & asking for advice if your unsure of anything in the BB. There's also a lot of helpful people & interesting threads on the Uphill Racers forum;

http://www.uphillracers.com/forum.php

One word of warning - hillclimbing is brilliant fun & pretty addictive...

HTH
Keith

Edit: I forgot, as mentioned in the article basic car prep also requires a timing strut for the vast majority of speed events. Dimensions are agin in the Blue Book.

Edited by keefr22 on Friday 6th June 15:50


Edited by keefr22 on Friday 6th June 15:56

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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Blur Book. lolz


griffdude

1,824 posts

248 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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I'm just doing my first season in the TVRCC Speed Championships which is a mix of hill climbs & sprints.

It's really addictive as per the previous poster.

Think I was at Wiscombe the same weekend.

Here's my attempt-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2NdfWmzas8&sns...

46.12 sec

keefr22

102 posts

199 months

Friday 6th June 2014
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griffdude said:
I'm just doing my first season in the TVRCC Speed Championships which is a mix of hill climbs & sprints.

It's really addictive as per the previous poster.

Think I was at Wiscombe the same weekend.

Here's my attempt-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2NdfWmzas8&sns...

46.12 sec
Nice car, good run!