DVLA initial registration problems
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Colleague at work is after some guidance/experience with registering a classic bike with the DVLA.
Back story is: Bike is a vintage Indian that was bought in the states, shipped to Germany and then came back with the owner to the UK and has undergone a complete nut/bolt restoration.
To register the bike with the DVLA they want an MOT, however the bike is pre-1960 so doesn't require an MOT.
Here's where it gets interesting as the form for MOT exemption wants a registration number!?
How do you get one without the other? Bite the bullet and MOT just for the ref?
any help would be appreciated.
Back story is: Bike is a vintage Indian that was bought in the states, shipped to Germany and then came back with the owner to the UK and has undergone a complete nut/bolt restoration.
To register the bike with the DVLA they want an MOT, however the bike is pre-1960 so doesn't require an MOT.
Here's where it gets interesting as the form for MOT exemption wants a registration number!?
How do you get one without the other? Bite the bullet and MOT just for the ref?
any help would be appreciated.
This paeg http://www.vhra.co.uk/VHRA/News/Entries/2012/11/7_... suggests that the DVLA will accept registration applications without an MOT, but talks about a letter from a recognised owners club, presumably to confirm that it is pre-1960.
I was talking to a chap I know at the weekend, he imported an MG in the early nineties and first registered it last year. On trying to register it he was asked for an MOT certificate, pointed out that it didn't need one due to year, insisted that the person contacted Swansea, and was able to apply for the registration without MOT. I suspect that he must have done that at the local DVLA office prior to them all being closed, though, so no help really.
I was talking to a chap I know at the weekend, he imported an MG in the early nineties and first registered it last year. On trying to register it he was asked for an MOT certificate, pointed out that it didn't need one due to year, insisted that the person contacted Swansea, and was able to apply for the registration without MOT. I suspect that he must have done that at the local DVLA office prior to them all being closed, though, so no help really.
S3_Graham said:
so the long and the short is that you have to get an MOT for this occasion, then once its registered you can do the exemption?
Yep. MOTs are needed for pre-60 stuff in a few circumstances - import, plate transfer, back-on-the-road-after-donkeys.Shouldn't be an issue, should it...? Usual import rules - take it in, ticket on frame/chassis number or furrin reg, same for insurance, V55/5, wait, tell insurer.
TooMany2cvs said:
Yep. MOTs are needed for pre-60 stuff in a few circumstances - import, plate transfer, back-on-the-road-after-donkeys.
Shouldn't be an issue, should it...? Usual import rules - take it in, ticket on frame/chassis number or furrin reg, same for insurance, V55/5, wait, tell insurer.
Wrong. I have registered six pre 60 vehicles recently, all without MOT. You need a dating certificate from a recognised source (club, marque expert etc) to prove age. The bear trap is the new NOVA regulations with HMRC. Swansea will not look at the application until it is notified. There should be no duty payable for an EU import but there are penalties for not notifying HMRC within 14 days of arrival in this country. If it has been more than a year they will have added up by now.Shouldn't be an issue, should it...? Usual import rules - take it in, ticket on frame/chassis number or furrin reg, same for insurance, V55/5, wait, tell insurer.
Just been through with some cars and classic bikes
You will need a MOT which will be done on the chassis number above poster says not but surely it makes it easier and certainly was what I was advised to do by VOSA and DVLA as non EU import and therefore not compliant in respect of speedometer markings etc.
You need to get proof from HMRC that VAT was paid on original import to UK - in your case the EU
If it was imported before around mid-2013 you need to email all import documentation, invoices and proof of ownership to the correct HMRC email address - I don't have it with me - for them to confirm if VAT has been paid.
If VAT has not been paid you can register for VAT online and enter all details and it will generate a correct NOVA reference.
You have 14 days after date of import to pay VAT otherwise a penalty of £10 per day up to maximum around £500 applies
You need a dating letter from manufacture or reputable club - they do not accept emails but need the original letter
DVLA told me that you could declare SORN at same time of application.for registration but then rejected the application because they wrote back saying you could not do so !
Ergo you need to insure as well but this is not an issue as fairly cheap for classic bike and they will insure on chassis number.
The above information was gleaned from around 40 or so phonecalls to HMRC DVLA etc I now have the relevant contact number and email addressees at work.
You will need a MOT which will be done on the chassis number above poster says not but surely it makes it easier and certainly was what I was advised to do by VOSA and DVLA as non EU import and therefore not compliant in respect of speedometer markings etc.
You need to get proof from HMRC that VAT was paid on original import to UK - in your case the EU
If it was imported before around mid-2013 you need to email all import documentation, invoices and proof of ownership to the correct HMRC email address - I don't have it with me - for them to confirm if VAT has been paid.
If VAT has not been paid you can register for VAT online and enter all details and it will generate a correct NOVA reference.
You have 14 days after date of import to pay VAT otherwise a penalty of £10 per day up to maximum around £500 applies
You need a dating letter from manufacture or reputable club - they do not accept emails but need the original letter
DVLA told me that you could declare SORN at same time of application.for registration but then rejected the application because they wrote back saying you could not do so !
Ergo you need to insure as well but this is not an issue as fairly cheap for classic bike and they will insure on chassis number.
The above information was gleaned from around 40 or so phonecalls to HMRC DVLA etc I now have the relevant contact number and email addressees at work.
Edited by arguti on Saturday 19th July 13:28
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