Number of Manual DBS Volantes
Discussion
mikey k said:
Might be worth starting a new thread on manual DBS's?
Good idea, so here it is. Below you will find all that is already published about this what I could find. Please add additional info when possible. hornbaek said:
The fact that there are 3 manuals for sale in the classifieds is more relevant than the actual numbers produced. It just tells that there is not a huge demand for manual Astons and that is despite the fact that the AMS-shift is poor in relation to what competitors have to offer.
Could be, but most Manual drivers I know would never trade it in for a classic torque convertor box (as in the new Vanquish), at best for a dual clutch box. downr said:
I've seen 3 up for sale in the uk in the last few months (not that I've been looking!)
One in black/chancellor red leather interior
One in mako blue (think it was tan interior)
And there's a silver one up at the moment with a main stealer
All DBS Volantes? All RHD I assume. One in black/chancellor red leather interior
One in mako blue (think it was tan interior)
And there's a silver one up at the moment with a main stealer
AWV12 said:
jonby said:
I didn't think there were even 100 made - in the UK, I've only seen reference to a couple. Would be interesting to know exactly how many there are. Fully agree, will be a highly desirable car in the future
The rough DBS numbers (coupe, volante, manual, auto) where calculated in another thread, and a product manager from AM told me that it was less then 100 for the DBS Volante Manual, but since 10 is also less then 100, it would be interesting to know the numbers more precies indeed :-)Let's start here on the forum with owners and other knowledge present.
I know that in Holland there are 2 LHD manual DBS Volantes (one black UB2010 and mine in Hammerhead silver).
Then there is the RHD car the Top Gear guys drove to Rumania (Silver/Red interior, see http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-gear-season-14... ).
Anymore here on the forum?
AWV12 said:
Better first choose which car you like most (they have the same engine and transmission, but suspension, wheelbase, etc are different as well as the behaviour on the road, for me the DBS was the best choice, for others the V12V).
About value: nobody knows, but looking at exclusivity/scarcity:
4: DBS Coupe Manual: little over 1100 made
3: V12V Coupe Manual: little over 1000 made
2: V12V Roadster Manual: 100 made
1: DBS Volante Manual: less then 100 made
(see earlier thread about guestimate of DBS production numbers)
About value: nobody knows, but looking at exclusivity/scarcity:
4: DBS Coupe Manual: little over 1100 made
3: V12V Coupe Manual: little over 1000 made
2: V12V Roadster Manual: 100 made
1: DBS Volante Manual: less then 100 made
(see earlier thread about guestimate of DBS production numbers)
AWV12 said:
Beefmeister said:
Anyone know how many DBS Volantes were made as a manual?
Not much, especially since at the launch of the DBS Volante (2009), the TT2 auto gearbox was introduced, which was bought by 90% of the buyers from that moment onwards (all DBS Coupes until 2009 are manual gearboxes). Let's try to make an estimate: in total about 3385 DBS have been produced over the years 2007-2012 (see http://www.amoc.org/forum/index.php?topic=26176.0)... first and last year probably not so much, and peak in 2010 and 2011. Split Coupe/Volante 50/50? And TT2/manual 90/10 (95/5 for the Volante).
This makes the following estimate:
- 2007: 300 (Coupe, Manual)
- 2008: 500 (C, M)
- 2009: 700 (500 C (300 M, 200 TT), 200 Volante (50 M, 150 TT))
- 2010: 800 (400 C (40 M, 360 TT), 400 V (20 M, 380 TT))
- 2011: 800 (400 C (40 M, 360 TT), 400 V (20 M, 380 TT))
- 2012: 285 (140 C (14 M, 126 TT), 145 V (5 M, 140 TT))
So in total: 3385 DBS, of which 2240 Coupes (1194 Manual, 1046 TT2) and 1145 Volantes (95 Manual, 1050 TT).
I remember this "almost 100" Manual DBS Volantes also from another calculation a while ago, so this seems a good estimate.
And I am happy I own one of those! :-))))
I am more than happy to own a manual DBS. It is faultless and sublime. The gearbox is a delight. I drove it back to back with a Jaguar F-Type V8S at the limit but with all the systems on. (I do not have a death wish.) The DBS was easily the more agile more controllable beast and the easiest to handle. Only issue is that there is so much torque that most of the gears are superfluous and you are changing gear for the pure fun of changing gear.
As for an auto - I wish you all the best - and that includes the new Vanq. but it ain't for me.
As for an auto - I wish you all the best - and that includes the new Vanq. but it ain't for me.
downr said:
ah ok, then just 2 spotted
out of interest I just had a scan of the Aston Martin website, checking out a few other countries (US etc). Couldnt find a single one. A rare car indeed
Just an FYI, the AM website is pretty useless for finding cars for sale in the USA. Lots of DBS's on Ebay.out of interest I just had a scan of the Aston Martin website, checking out a few other countries (US etc). Couldnt find a single one. A rare car indeed
AMDBSNick said:
You do know which one that is don't you? Not sure if it is a good or bad thing?
Edited by mikey k on Monday 22 September 14:19
mikey k said:
AMDBSNick said:
You do know which one that is don't you? Not sure if it is a good or bad thing?Edited by mikey k on Monday 22 September 14:19
KevinBird said:
Works told me only twelve were built in RHD
Yeah but works told me there was only one Madagascar Orange V12V in the world until someone on here uploaded a picture of another one in mainland Europe somewhere. There are facts and there is sales bulls
t and the two are not the same.Here one rare Manual DBS Volante for sale: https://kroymans.nl/stock/stock-detail/12850743/As...
Prices are rising, that's good (I will stick to mine for a while :-)), and interesting quote about the numbers produced:
"Not more than 852 DBS Volante units left the Gaydon production facility between 2009-2012. Of that total production run, only 43 units were equipped with the 6-Speed Manual transmission!"
So that is even 50% of the estimate I made earlier in this thread!
Prices are rising, that's good (I will stick to mine for a while :-)), and interesting quote about the numbers produced:
"Not more than 852 DBS Volante units left the Gaydon production facility between 2009-2012. Of that total production run, only 43 units were equipped with the 6-Speed Manual transmission!"
So that is even 50% of the estimate I made earlier in this thread!
Brakke said:
Kroymans is notorious for asking ludacris prices and not to know the finer detail of things.
I really doubt that number to be correct.
Having have said that, I think 200-225k euro should be feasible for the car.
Obviously any comparison back to GBP, the exchange rate and NL new car tax legacy represented in preloved prices both need to be 'normalised'I really doubt that number to be correct.
Having have said that, I think 200-225k euro should be feasible for the car.
Edited by Brakke on Sunday 6th November 11:18
Take this Rapide the NL dealer has on sale
https://kroymans.nl/stock/stock-detail/12020974/As...
Now compare with this
http://www.jardinemotors.co.uk/aston-martin/used-c...
Differential of this close like-for-like car @ today's exchange rate is about £80k GBP more expensive in NL.
NL car market doesn't care about current (blip low) GBP / Euro exchange rates, but at a 'normal' exchange rate, say, 1.35, means the NL Rapide should equate to about £140k GBP, meaning a 'normalised' currency differential between each Rapide is now £50kGBP, which Rounded off, puts the currency normalised NL Rapide 55% more expensive compared to the UK Rapide.
That NL to UK % differential can be sanity checked by looking at this DB9
http://www.autotrader.nl/auto/aston-martin-db9/200...
This DB9 in UK Is approx. £35k car. Advertised at today's exchange rate it is equivalent of £60k, but currency normalised it should be closer to £50k. 55% calculated from Rapide example NL premium on top of UK price for same car is £54k - so proves the general % differential calculated from Rapide example, also makes sense because NL luxury car tax for an Aston would have been about +45% the list price.
So, the DBSVM at 295k Euro, currency normalised is £218k, approx. 55% NL premium taken off equates £140k - how much would that DBS go for at auction in UK, £120-£130k??
They also have this
https://kroymans.nl/stock/stock-detail/12369568/As...
Start at 152k euro asking price, currency normalise to £115k GBP. The like-for-like DBS from main dealer in UK would be £85k?? With NL premium added from roughly calculated earlier 55% is equivalent £131k
Long story short then, they are probably chancing their arm on DBSVM model rarity for equivalent of about +£20k GBP, I think compared UK market they have the DBS coupe £15k under valued, but conversion into GBP matters not, what matters is if someone in market will buy at those figures.
Brakke said:
Kroymans is notorious for asking ludacris prices and not to know the finer detail of things.
Well I must step in here as I bought my V12VSR at Kroymans Aston Martin last year and found them very knowledgeable, they took almost two hours to deliver the car to me, Eduard taking his time to explain every single command and feature of the car in detail and price wise were very competitive if you are not registering the car in the Netherlands were car taxes are ludicrous (but that's not something Kroymans can do anything about I'm afraid!) but a fact you are fully aware of as I seem to remember none of your cars are registered in the Netherlands Brakke!Sure the manual DBS Volante is priced quite high but this reflects the car's rarity and condition and the aforementioned NL tax which can be discounted if you export the car in some cases.
I have no affiliation with Kroymans other than being a satisfied customer.
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