RE: Mazda MX-5 BBR Super 200: Review

RE: Mazda MX-5 BBR Super 200: Review

Monday 11th August 2014

Mazda MX-5 BBR Super 200: Review

PH bags the first drive of BBR's new 200hp normally aspirated MX-5 upgrade



Due in Silverstone on Friday morning and having just hit publish on our story on the BBR Mazda MX-5 Super 200 before hitting the road we put in a speculative call to BBR. Given that its Brackley base is just a few miles down the road and we had a couple of hours spare was there any chance of taking the Super 200 out for a bit of a blast? Nothing ventured and all that.

Sure thing came the response from BBR's Neil Mckay, see you in an hour. Given that the press release had only landed in the inbox an hour before that the stars were definitely aligned in our favour.

200hp equates to meaningful progress - win
200hp equates to meaningful progress - win
If you saw the original story on Friday you'll know the gist of what we've got here. But a quick recap. For the power crazed and those not precious about preserving the MX-5's naturally aspirated character BBR can do you a turbocharged carthat is a whole heap of fun and a very slick conversion to boot. No doubt that if you want bangs (and pops) for your buck when making an MX-5 go faster forced induction is the way to go. But the perceived complexity and, perhaps more significantly, the change in fundamental character aren't to all tastes.

Zoom-zoom ... zoom
BBR has also offered self explanatory Super 175 and Super 180 conversions for all third generation - or NC - MX-5s based around its own four-into-one exhaust manifold and remapped ECU, the latter also getting a panel air filter and full BBR exhaust system with high-flow catalytic converter. Welcome additions to the 160hp of the stock 2.0-litre car but perhaps too subtle for people wanting serious performance gains.

Manifold, cams and ECU at heart of conversion
Manifold, cams and ECU at heart of conversion
The new Super 200 kit is basically the Super 175 with the addition of new cams for both exhaust and inlet. It costs £2,195 fitted or £1,695 DIY and buys you a more substantial 204hp and 166lb ft - significant gains from the stock 160hp and 139lb ft. Having tried out half a dozen different cam profiles and done the numbers on BBR's own rolling road Neil's obviously chuffed with the results too, keen to share the comparison graph that shows the expanded peak torque comes in 1,000rpm earlier at 4,000rpm too. You'll see the even more impressive red line on there that equates to 210hp, 171lb ft and less of a dip in the latter's curve after the 4,000rpm peak - this is yours if you also go for the full exhaust system comprising a 2.5-inch centre section, high-flow cat and back box from the Super 180 kit. This costs £745.

The demo car awaiting us at BBR didn't have that; the package we drove was the standard Super 200 kit in a car also fitted with the firm's £995 custom-valved Koni damper/spring kit and a rather stylish set of Rota Blitz 17-inch wheels. The lower ride height and half-inch increase in wheel width packs out the arches somewhat and gives the MX-5 a subtly more purposeful stance. And from previous experience of the kit on the GT 270 turbo it's also a nice compromise for fast road use.

Distinguished character
Like the turbo conversion the first thing that strikes you about the Super 200 kit is how factory it feels. Normally aspirated tuning can be an expensive business for relatively modest gains - see the more exotic throttle bodied Jota car by way of example - but the BBR kit is impressive in the way it packs out the power and torque curves rather than leaving it all for the last few hundred rpm.

Summer B-road + tuned up MX-5 = grin
Summer B-road + tuned up MX-5 = grin
Without driving it back to back with a standard car it's hard to say how dramatic the difference is but the Super 200 just feels strong all the way through the power band. It's not as crazed as the turbo car but nor does it ever feel bogged down or unable to pull, whether that's in-gear or after a quick downshift via the characteristically stubby and positive little gearshifter. From 4,000 to the 7,800rpm redline you've got plenty to play with though, the gearing and throttle response encouraging you to keep it fizzing in this zone flicking this way and that through the six-speed box. No hardship there.

On the flowing Northants B-roads between Brackley and Silverstone the Super 200 is in its element, added pace in the 'making progress' mould rather than neck snapping lit firework sense. Which is entirely appropriate for an MX-5 and feels a much more natural fit with the car's character.

Has it kicked in?
If there's any criticism it's that it's almost too slick and well resolved. If you are looking for a 'just kicked in' VTEC style kick or peakier hot cammed four-banger power delivery the linearity of the Super 200 is deceptive. There's a hint of induction noise and the odd 'thwap' from the exhaust on redline upshifts but other than that you could be mistaken for thinking it's just a standard car in very rude health.

BBR's Koni suspension kit also fitted to demo car
BBR's Koni suspension kit also fitted to demo car
Which is a solid starting point for those wanting to keep a stock feel. Not all of us are so mature though and Neil assures us that with the full exhaust system the car is a little more extrovert and entertaining, if a bit raucous for everyday use. Pays your money and all that. On that subject we'd also budget for the Koni kit on the basis that the car feels a lot more settled and predictable without the sense the good old Jinba Ittai feel has been dialled out in the name of increased cornering speed. It's perhaps a little flexier and less pointy than a GT86/BRZ but it at least now has the firepower to keep up, with the added wind added attraction of putting the roof down if you're that way inclined.

On the subject of spending you can, of course, add the Super 200 kit to any 2.0-litre NC MX-5, prices for which start at little over £5K in the classifieds. Investing a significant proportion of that sum over and again on a secondhand car will require the support of Man Maths Financial Services Ltd but whatever the price of the car you're fitting it to the Super 200 kit presents an impressively sensible feeling way of making an MX-5 an even more entertaining prospect. Zoom and, indeed, zoom.


BBR MAZDA MX-5 ROADSTER COUPE SUPER 200
Engine:
1,999cc 4-cyl
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 204hp@7,450rpm (160@7,000rpm)
Torque (lb ft): 161@4,000rpm (139@5,000rpm)
0-62mph: 7.9 sec standard, no figure for Super 200 yet claimed
Top speed: 136mph standard, no figure for Super 200 yet claimed
Weight: 1,248kg (standard car)
MPG: 36.2mpg (standard, NEDC combined)
CO2: 181g/km (standard)
Price: Donor car plus £2,195 fitted or £1,695 DIY (As tested £26,883 based on a new MX-5 Roadster Coupe 2.0i Sport Tech £23,095, Super 200 kit £2,195, Rota Blitz wheels £598* and BBR Koni suspension kit £995)

*Original tyres retained





   
   
   
   

Photos: Anthony Fraser

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Original Poster:

1,378 posts

122 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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If I still had my MX5, I think I would definitely considered something like this. Looks like an ideal upgrade, something to give the stock car some more punch without getting too silly. I sold mine last year, but have missed it a little, especially with the glorious weather we've had this summer... ;(

eglin

16 posts

119 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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I really like the look of that, especially with the different wheels and lowered suspension. The only issue I'd have is if I was looking to buy one second hand for around £6k and get the kit installed bringing the price up to over £8k, I'd struggle to justify it over an S2000 or a Z4 3.0.

Atmospheric

5,319 posts

209 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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Good old fashioned tuning welcome. Nice car.

Dyl

1,253 posts

211 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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I think something like this will be on the cards for me in a few years time. I bought my MX-5 in March and though I am enjoying it, I know that it would benefit from a few subtle changes like those offered by BBR. Best get saving!

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

219 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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Nice to see good old fashioned techniques being used again.

sideways sid

1,371 posts

216 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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This sounds like it could be the ultimate MX5. Fun without being too mad.

The sweet spot would be to buy a decent-spec 3-yr old one for £10k ish and spend 20% on this kit. It looks very low in the pics though, so I would avoid the konis.

kambites

67,666 posts

222 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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In a world where turbochargers seem to be everywhere, that torque curve looks sublime. smile

Countersteer

146 posts

138 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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An interesting addition to the BBR line-up, just weeks before the launch of the MX5 ND...

chungasarnies

155 posts

126 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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So when an MX5 has 200bhp and costs 27 grand everyone loves it, but a GT86 has 200 from the factory and costs 25k its too slow?

getmecoat

krisdelta

4,566 posts

202 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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chungasarnies said:
So when an MX5 has 200bhp and costs 27 grand everyone loves it, but a GT86 has 200 from the factory and costs 25k its too slow?

getmecoat
Fair point (although I've not driven the GT86) - maybe a twin test to reset peoples expectations? smile

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Original Poster:

1,378 posts

122 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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chungasarnies said:
So when an MX5 has 200bhp and costs 27 grand everyone loves it, but a GT86 has 200 from the factory and costs 25k its too slow?

getmecoat
I think it's down to expectation. In my opinion, people view the MX5 as a cute little roadster so aren't surprised that it values being fun over being fast. Whereas everyone expects the GT86 to be some sort of fire breathing monster for some reason, despite it being built around the same sort of values and ethos as the MX5.

SpudLink

5,961 posts

193 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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Conscript said:
chungasarnies said:
So when an MX5 has 200bhp and costs 27 grand everyone loves it, but a GT86 has 200 from the factory and costs 25k its too slow?

getmecoat
I think it's down to expectation. In my opinion, people view the MX5 as a cute little roadster so aren't surprised that it values being fun over being fast. Whereas everyone expects the GT86 to be some sort of fire breathing monster for some reason, despite it being built around the same sort of values and ethos as the MX5.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I always thought Mazda should have made a coupe version of the MX5 along side the roadster, with stiffer chassis and a little more performance. (I mean a proper coupe, not a folding hard top.)
The GT86 has moved into that market niche, but it would have been an open goal for the already popular MX5.
The MX5 coupe would have been the default choice for track-day fun and B-road blasting, while leaving the roadster for those more interested in feeling the wind in their hair.

rscott

14,808 posts

192 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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sideways sid said:
This sounds like it could be the ultimate MX5. Fun without being too mad.

The sweet spot would be to buy a decent-spec 3-yr old one for £10k ish and spend 20% on this kit. It looks very low in the pics though, so I would avoid the konis.
Argh... I've just (three weeks ago) bought a 3 year old MX-5 Sport Tech for £10k (ish).. Must resist.. must resist...

ManOpener

12,467 posts

170 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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This looks absolutely fantastic as a fun summer daily.
Does the MX-5 have a limited-slip diff as an option?

rscott

14,808 posts

192 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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SpudLink said:
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I always thought Mazda should have made a coupe version of the MX5 along side the roadster, with stiffer chassis and a little more performance. (I mean a proper coupe, not a folding hard top.)
The GT86 has moved into that market niche, but it would have been an open goal for the already popular MX5.
The MX5 coupe would have been the default choice for track-day fun and B-road blasting, while leaving the roadster for those more interested in feeling the wind in their hair.
Like this coupe? - http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/03sema_mia... and http://www.miataforumz.com/nb-1998-2005-7/nb-miata... - Japanese market only sadly.

Herman Toothrot

6,702 posts

199 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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I was just about to respond to the GT86 comparison by saying, yes but the MX5's almost 300kg lighter, then I spotted this
PH said:
Weight: 1,248kg (standard car)
really did miss how the MX5 has gained weight! My old turbo converted Eunos with a proper roll bar and all the turbo gubbins weighed in at 960kg, these mk3's really have got lardy!

Mike Roberts

126 posts

199 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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Is that the funny EU weight? - +75kg driver, 90% fuel etc etc??

I thought they were lighter.

kambites

67,666 posts

222 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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Yes I think that's EU. The actual wet vehicle weight seems to be about 1100-1150kg depending on spec.

Still, it's only about 100kg lighter than a GT86, which isn't a huge amount when you consider that the GT86 has two more seats.

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Original Poster:

1,378 posts

122 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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I can't remember the exact figures, but I remember working out the the power:weight ratio of both my MX5 NC and the GT86 not long after changing from one to the other, and the Toyota's was slightly higher.

As for the LSD - yup, I think it was all the 2.0 litre NCs that came with one. Mine had one, it was a 2006 2.0l Sport model - since the facelift, the availability of the LSD and the specs might have changed a little.

scz4

2,507 posts

242 months

Monday 11th August 2014
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"Coupe" is also 70kg heavier than the soft-top according to the Mazda brochures at the time you could buy a 2.0 soft-top.