SPEEDOS or PEDOs - Should officials face the rap?

[carinaman]

Seems the police have been making some headway on those sexually abusing kids in Rotherham.

I think I heard it on the news that four Councillors are helping police with their enquiries.

Good work BiB.

[aw51 121565]

carinaman said:

Where were BRAKE! a decade ago?

I find it offensive that every death on the road is misappropriated to justify the war against the motorist or misused to promote an anti-speeding agenda ...

https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=natalie+pickwick+jones

BRAKE supported (cue hollow laughter ) her family a decade ago - perhaps they still do now? You make a valid point (witness the speed camera westbound on Bolton Road, Radcliffe, facing the site of the incident...)

However...

carinaman said:

... people in the public sector that promote road safety supposedly for the good of the greater community have been working with people that have covered up the industrial sexual exploitation of young girls.

...

Can you cite a source - or sources - for this?

[carinaman]

aw51 121565 said:

Can you cite a source - or sources - for this?

The best I could probably do is cite police forces that have failed to address sex crimes against kids while banging the road safety drum.

I know a police force with a road safety project at the moment that's not above hiding and lying about police flakiness.

[carinaman]

aw51 121565 said:

Can you cite a source - or sources - for this?

Not a road safety project but Sir Peter Fahy on Panorama about the child sex grooming in Rotherham mentioned Home Office targets for car crime.

Would a police officer be more worried about their car getting broken into or their daughter getting raped?

So what do police officers think MoPs would be more concerned about?

[carinaman]

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/13/report-...

Numberplates are easier to read and note than the names and numbers of police officers.....

Fracturing someone's skull, unlike speeding, isn't a 'victimless' crime.

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[carinaman]

From Breibart article above:

'South Yorkshire Police were criticised in a separate report for failing to help the girls, because of a “culture of fear” around accusations of racism.'

Children being defiled and raped couldn't be dealt with in the mid-nineties due to political correctness. That's the same political correctness that frowns on any speeding?

Some say the police have lost their way. That's partially due to having to be politically correct and politicised?

The police are more fearful of appearing to be racist or not politically correct than the girls being raped and prostituted out?

[carinaman]

The Chief Constable has just walked over police failures to protect vulnerable youngsters.

Therefore not sure if this is a dead thread or a current thread.

The kids were being sexually abused and exploited for over a decade, a period considerably longer than the lifecycle of this thread.

[Poshbury]

A culture of fear!
It should read, a fear of culture'. You know which one!

I'm glad he walked, although presumably to protect his pension. Mind you, I have a feeling that Chief Cons' have a different set of circumstances, pension wise, to normal cops, so maybe his pension would be safe anyway.

Good riddance IMO.

[robinessex]

I've not read or followed this topic. But I certainly don't understand the title.

[carinaman]

Poshbury said:

A culture of fear!
It should read, a fear of culture'. You know which one!

I'm glad he walked, although presumably to protect his pension. Mind you, I have a feeling that Chief Cons' have a different set of circumstances, pension wise, to normal cops, so maybe his pension would be safe anyway.

Good riddance IMO.

I think failures to protect children could be just cause for PCCs to fire Chief Constables, but La Liga has said in another thread that that was before Crompton's time, though the reporting yesterday said the concerns about what was going on from junior officers was falling on deaf ears in the senior ranks. I assume Crompton was a senior officer at the same force while the industrial scale exploitation of children was going on.

Adam Johnson got 6 years. More than a few officers did nothing about over a 1,000 girls being raped and exploited.

Adam Johnson is a professional soccerist that may have an abnormal interest in sex. He's not a sworn officer that's pledged the Constable's Oath.

[anonymous-user]

carinaman said:

I think failures to protect children could be just cause for PCCs to fire Chief Constables, but La Liga has said in another thread that that was before Crompton's time, though the reporting yesterday said the concerns about what was going on from junior officers was falling on deaf ears in the senior ranks.

Why don't you actually read the report? It's not even that long. Is it because your interest is, in reality, really superficial?

The report has a lot of positive things to say about improvements, a lot of which have come whilst he has been in charge.

carinaman said:

I assume Crompton was a senior officer at the same force while the industrial scale exploitation of children was going on.

I don't think you should make such assumptions. I don't know his full history, but I think he was at WYP most of his career until his move to SYP in 2012.

[carinaman]

La Liga said:

carinaman said:

I think failures to protect children could be just cause for PCCs to fire Chief Constables, but La Liga has said in another thread that that was before Crompton's time, though the reporting yesterday said the concerns about what was going on from junior officers was falling on deaf ears in the senior ranks.

Why don't you actually read the report? It's not even that long. Is it because your interest is, in reality, really superficial?

It's not about me. I'm not a child rapist, or a sworn officer in Yorks. that stood by while 1,400 girls got raped and traded as chattels.

Isn't it just another case of where the police failed to feel the collars of child molesters?

La Liga said:

The report has a lot of positive things to say about improvements, a lot of which have come whilst he has been in charge.

After it had been going on for over a decade and the Council in Rotherham tried to take out an injunction against at The Times to try to stop them reporting what was going on there?

Not their kids getting raped was it, so why should they care?

Things are improving after many, many officers disregarded the Constable's Oath they said when they took the job?

La Liga said:

carinaman said:

I assume Crompton was a senior officer at the same force while the industrial scale exploitation of children was going on.

I don't think you should make such assumptions. I don't know his full history, but I think he was at WYP most of his career until his move to SYP in 2012.

I wasn't sure and was tempted to end that sentence with a question mark.

So no officers from any of the Yorks. constabularies ever talk to officers in the other Yorks. constabularies when either on or off duty?

So 1,400 kids got raped for a period exceeding a decade, but Crompton being a senior officer in another Yorks. constabulary couldn't have possibly been aware of it, or heard any gossip about it? Didn't Derek Smith type here 'There's no secrets in police stations'?

Those officers in Yorks. that failed to address the industrial scale sexual exploitation of young girls demonstrated how little they value the police brand. When serving officers by their conduct show that they don't value the police brand why do you expect me to?

Is that 'learning lessons' weasel word fob off nonsense on the Constable's Oath?

Edited by carinaman on Thursday 24th March 21:51

[anonymous-user]

You can try to make as many incohesive links between the negative aspects of the reports and CC Crompton as you wish, the only person you'll convince is yourself.

[Mill Wheel]

robinessex said:

I've not read or followed this topic. But I certainly don't understand the title.

It is explained on the first page.

Mill Wheel said:

Breadvan72 said:

Am I the only one to find this linkage between speeding enforcement and the Rotherham scandal a bit of an insult to the victims in Rotherham, as well as an illustration of the sad fixation of the middle class motorist with being so terribly put upon by speed limits?

My point was NOT that motorists are put upon; rather that cases are pursued with apparent enthusiasm against speeders and alleged pedeophiles, while the people in authority whose neglect of duty led to vulnerable people suffering abuse appear to be going unpunished.
If we can see the courts punishing Huhne and Hall years after the offence, then SURELY these clowns must be brought to book, not allowed to continue in enjoyment of their present salaries.

The law seemed to be keenly pursuing speeders and alleged pedophiles for historic offences (Huhne for PtCoJ and various celebs like DLT, Cliff Richard, William Roache) while those whose job was to oversee the protection of vulnerable groups, who appeared to have shirked from doing their jobs, were not being investigated with the same enthusiasm, or were failing to recognise their own failings and act accordingly.
It appears that after a great deal of time (and wages) one party has been forced to face up to his responsibilities.
It is interesting that Sunderland Football Club were criticised for continuing to employ Adam Johnson and Sunderland chief executive Margaret Byrne was forced to resign in a much shorter time frame.

[anonymous-user]

Adam Johnson was at the stage of conviction, any police / other criminal / misconduct matters are at the investigatory stage.

It's not a case of 'were', it's a case of 'are' being investigated.

[jaf01uk]

La Liga said:

Adam Johnson was at the stage of conviction, any police / other criminal / misconduct matters are at the investigatory stage.

It's not a case of 'were', it's a case of 'are' being investigated.

Is it just me or does it seem that these "historical failings" and investigations always seem to take place just after all the people responsible have retired? How many of the Rotherham cops are still in service? Nice career and pension, now the blinkers come off? Social services are the same, every time a child dies they "learn lessons" yet more cases come to light with the same failings, I have personal knowledge of a child protection case where social services seem more interested in putting the child back to the very people that the child is supposed to being protected from! Crazy!!

[robinessex]

Mill Wheel said:

robinessex said:

I've not read or followed this topic. But I certainly don't understand the title.

It is explained on the first page.

Mill Wheel said:

Breadvan72 said:

Am I the only one to find this linkage between speeding enforcement and the Rotherham scandal a bit of an insult to the victims in Rotherham, as well as an illustration of the sad fixation of the middle class motorist with being so terribly put upon by speed limits?

My point was NOT that motorists are put upon; rather that cases are pursued with apparent enthusiasm against speeders and alleged pedeophiles, while the people in authority whose neglect of duty led to vulnerable people suffering abuse appear to be going unpunished.
If we can see the courts punishing Huhne and Hall years after the offence, then SURELY these clowns must be brought to book, not allowed to continue in enjoyment of their present salaries.

The law seemed to be keenly pursuing speeders and alleged pedophiles for historic offences (Huhne for PtCoJ and various celebs like DLT, Cliff Richard, William Roache) while those whose job was to oversee the protection of vulnerable groups, who appeared to have shirked from doing their jobs, were not being investigated with the same enthusiasm, or were failing to recognise their own failings and act accordingly.


Thanks. Got it. Did wonder what a swimwear manufacturer had to do with it!!!!
It appears that after a great deal of time (and wages) one party has been forced to face up to his responsibilities.
It is interesting that Sunderland Football Club were criticised for continuing to employ Adam Johnson and Sunderland chief executive Margaret Byrne was forced to resign in a much shorter time frame.

[anonymous-user]

jaf01uk said:

Is it just me or does it seem that these "historical failings" and investigations always seem to take place just after all the people responsible have retired? How many of the Rotherham cops are still in service? Nice career and pension, now the blinkers come off? Social services are the same, every time a child dies they "learn lessons" yet more cases come to light with the same failings, I have personal knowledge of a child protection case where social services seem more interested in putting the child back to the very people that the child is supposed to being protected from! Crazy!!

It depends on their length of service. With senior officers of the generation that cover these failings, they are likely to be close to retirement.

Even if they retire they can still be subject to criminal proceedings. They can't be subject to internal proceedings after retirement, but then if they're going to leave for retirement anyway it makes little to no difference if they're kept on to face internal sanctions, other than it costs more money.

I imagine with Rotherham there are more younger in service officers within the scope of the investigation.

The police and social services work in a risk and life and death environment. If I make a mistake in a call centre, perhaps a customer goes through to the wrong department. If I make a mistake in a child protection case a child could die. It's a rough approximation (and not trying to cover anything to do with Rotherham), but it makes the point.