RE: Audi TT Ultra and Sport: Driven

RE: Audi TT Ultra and Sport: Driven

Wednesday 17th September 2014

2015 Audi TT Ultra and Sport (Mk3) | Review

After the TT S here's the PH rundown on the TT models that most people are going to buy



Thrashing the new 310hp TT S around the Ascari circuit might have revealed a lot about Audi's newest £40,000 sports car on the limit, but the reality is that most UK TTs will be the - whisper it - £29,000 diesel and the almost identically priced 230hp 2.0 TFSI petrol. Are these front-drivers ready to set the PH world on fire?

We'll start with the diesel. Because even though Audi call it the TT Ultra at every opportunity, it's definitely 'just' a TT TDI.

Unsurprisingly for a new diesel engine, the official consumption numbers are impressive. How about a combined fuel economy of 67.9mpg in conjunction with 184hp, a top speed of 150mph and 0-62 time of 7.1 seconds? Serious performance given the CO2 figure of just 110g/km - it could be an interesting green option for your next company car, couldn't it?


Walking towards such an overtly sporty little coupe with the background soundtrack of a Golf TDI clearly audible, it's hard not to have some mixed feelings. Don't worry about it too much though because as soon as you're sitting in the wonderful new cockpit you won't be too bothered about what other people are listening to. Inside, it's a great sounding diesel. Plenty of tone, a little warble near the top end and lots of shove in the sweet spot of the turbo's power band.

Peak torque is 280lb ft, albeit delivered in a typically brief diesel fashion. By comparison, the base petrol is now up to 230hp but only 272lb ft. Though the petrol keeps that torque going to over 4,000rpm, with power not tailing off until over 6,000rpm. Neither of them are slow. And the petrol 230hp does sound almost as good as the TT S too.

Both of these versions are noticeably more fun to handle in the corners than previous iterations of the TT too. Though the stiffer-feeling damping might annoy over poorly surfaced roads, it does help both cars deliver a lot more feedback when pushing into a corner. The tighter rear end really changes the sensations at the wheel - lifting off on turn-in will genuinely get the nose pointing towards the apex, even in the 35kg heavier diesel car.


Yes, at corner exit there's still a lot of that word that starts with a 'U' and ends in 'steer,' but what can you expect with this much torque heading through the front wheels alone? The active braking reigns in any excess wheelspin on heavy-footed corner exits, though the steering wheel will still fight when the power comes in, even in a straight line. That torque steer is especially pronounced in the petrol version, though it's not enough to upset the dedicated hooligan.

Oddly both of these front-wheel drive models are restricted to a manual 'box. If you want to do away with the clutch pedal and enjoy burping through town with the DSG (or S Tronic in Audi parlance) then you have to spend nearly £3,000 more on a petrol Quattro. No S Tronic and no Quattro for the diesels, sorry.

Not that it matters, as both have easy gearshifts. Though neither are the paradigm of sporting gear changes, they're actually quite hard to fault.


While it's tempting to draw comparisons to more hardcore coupes like the 200hp BBR MX-5 we tested last month, or a similarly priced Renaultsport Megane 265, that's really missing the point of the TT. It's not a real sports car when measured by those demanding standards. It's more like a luxurious and fantastically equipped mini GT. Many current TT owners would label what we call feedback and sportiness as noise and vibration.

The diesel in particular could serve as a really sexy mile muncher, and if you do have to drive 20 to 30 thousand miles in a year, then either TT would be a great place to sit while you're doing it. Accepting the limitations of any possible sports car pretensions (there are plenty of hatchbacks and saloons which handle so much better than these coupes), we'd actually forego the 230hp petrol car and just save money on the diesel. PistonHeads: where CO2, fuel economy and a nice nav system matters - oops! Normal service will resume shortly.


SPECIFICATION | 2015 AUDI TT SPORT (Mk3)
Engine:
1,984cc 4-cyl, turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 230@4,500-6,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 272@1,600-4,300rpm
0-62mph: 6.0 sec (claimed)
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Kerbweight: 1,305kg (EU)
MPG: 47.9mpg (claimed)
CO2: 137g/km
Price: £29,860

SPECIFICATION | 2015 AUDI TT TDI (Mk3)
Engine:
1,968cc 4-cyl, turbocharged diesel
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 184@3,500-4,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 280@1,750-3,250rpm
0-62mph: 7.1 sec (claimed)
Top speed: 150mph (limited)
Kerbweight: 1,335kg (EU)
MPG: 67.3mpg (claimed)
CO2: 110g/km
Price: £29,770




Author
Discussion

Nors

Original Poster:

1,291 posts

155 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Sounds like an improvement over the last ones, and awaits the default PH negative TT comments!coffee

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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A4 with crap back seats.

I cant see the point at all, to be honest. It's not a sports car. It's not a saloon. It's not even a practical hatchback.

panholio

1,079 posts

148 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Interior is so nice.

soad

32,894 posts

176 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Diesel version should will sell more units? scratchchin
No, I don't want one.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Nors said:
and awaits the default PH negative TT comments!coffee
That didn't take long!

Shambler

1,190 posts

144 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Nors said:
Sounds like an improvement over the last ones, and awaits the default PH negative TT comments!coffee
yes indeed, heaven forbid that somebody out there might decide to buy one of these over a remapped 335d.

Shambler

1,190 posts

144 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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In fairness the mpg quoted for the diesel is a bit silly! I have the same engine in my Octavia vrs and struggle to get 45mpg

Theallotmentman

140 posts

204 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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I drove the last incarnation and I loathed it. Slow, poor traction and as nice as the interior looked I found it disappointing in all. The noise is still the issue and will be until they find a way to make diesels sound better. Many a poseur will go for it on their company car list but I can't help but smile a wicked smile whenever I see someone driving one.

Lost soul

8,712 posts

182 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Nors said:
Sounds like an improvement over the last ones,
Lovely little coupes , like a nice piece of jewellery smile

Phateuk

751 posts

137 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Nors said:
Sounds like an improvement over the last ones, and awaits the default PH negative TT comments!coffee
4 minutes later..

ORD said:
A4 with crap back seats.

I cant see the point at all, to be honest. It's not a sports car. It's not a saloon. It's not even a practical hatchback.
hehe

Martin_Hx

3,955 posts

198 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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St John Smythe said:
Nors said:
and awaits the default PH negative TT comments!coffee
That didn't take long!
hehe

LordHaveMurci

12,042 posts

169 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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They'll mainly be driven by people who care more about what others think of it.

GTEYE

2,096 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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LordHaveMurci said:
They'll mainly be driven by people who care more about what others think of it.
And there's another one...

stuart-b

3,643 posts

226 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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I wonder what the TDI would be like with a high end remap and an LSD to help put it down in FWD guise? I would expect at least 210-220 bhp and lashings of extra torque.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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ORD said:
I cant see the point at all, to be honest. It's not a sports car. It's not a saloon. It's not even a practical hatchback.
Which is probably why it was described above as a mini GT.

LordHaveMurci

12,042 posts

169 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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GTEYE said:
LordHaveMurci said:
They'll mainly be driven by people who care more about what others think of it.
And there's another one...
Am I wrong?

Kitchski

6,515 posts

231 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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LordHaveMurci said:
GTEYE said:
LordHaveMurci said:
They'll mainly be driven by people who care more about what others think of it.
And there's another one...
Am I wrong?
I don't think so. You said mainly, which doesn't mean 100% of people, but I reckon a good 95% buy one for those reasons. They're not a driver's car. They're not a sports car. They're not practical. They're not fun. They're not cheap. They're an interesting piece of design, but I wouldn't call one good-looking.

I think you're right, personally. Course, the main reason someone might buy one would be because they wanted to, and in fairness that's all the reason they'd ever need. And I reckon the majority of people who would want one wouldn't really be into cars (not at geeky levels anyway) and probably wouldn't associate with people who were into cars, so wouldn't ever take the ribbing. As a marketing product, the TT is a winner. As a car for petrolheads, not so much.

But like I say, you can't label everyone and people can buy whatever the hell they want. Just be prepared to not care what anyone thinks of you hehe

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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Theallotmentman said:
The noise is still the issue and will be until they find a way to make diesels sound better.
I think it needs an extra cylinder (or 4!) to help solve the noise issue. They'll all sound awful at idle, but a 5-pot diesel sounds rather excellent, as does the V8 in the newish RRs.

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

148 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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stuart-b said:
I wonder what the TDI would be like with a high end remap and an LSD to help put it down in FWD guise? I would expect at least 210-220 bhp and lashings of extra torque.
A popular tuning box for the VAG motors

236bhp and 368lbft

http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-audi_a...

Wills2

22,819 posts

175 months

Wednesday 17th September 2014
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I love the look of these, 1300kg coupe with good performance and economy for sub 30k, what is not to like.