Average speed camera through road works, (M1 south yorkshire
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After being caught (apparently at 56 mph)no pictures available, in a 50 mph road work max speed limit with multiple average speed cameras a couple of years ago, I now set cruise control at 48 mph on our regular trips from north yorks to Derbyshire to visit number one daughter . At the time of conviction we had speed camera and sat nav speed warnings set on our sat nav and yet we still had multiple heavy and light goods/cars passing us through the 50 mph sections at much higher speeds and we get caught.
After attending a speed awareness course at considerable expense and time off work we still set cruise at 48 mph but still have traffic passing at much greater speeds as witnessed today.
Question is do the average speed cameras use number plate recognition and time vehicles between cameras to assess average speed or can I pass through the camera at 49mph and then accelerate up to 150 mph but slow and pass through the next camera at 49 mph and all is well ? Or are vehicles targeted ? We were driving a TVR Tuscan at the time but HGV's were passing in the middle lane ?
After attending a speed awareness course at considerable expense and time off work we still set cruise at 48 mph but still have traffic passing at much greater speeds as witnessed today.
Question is do the average speed cameras use number plate recognition and time vehicles between cameras to assess average speed or can I pass through the camera at 49mph and then accelerate up to 150 mph but slow and pass through the next camera at 49 mph and all is well ? Or are vehicles targeted ? We were driving a TVR Tuscan at the time but HGV's were passing in the middle lane ?
Average speed cameras measure your average speed between each camera, or through several cameras.
Imagine a set of four cameras (1,2,3 and 4 for simplicity). The average speed limit is set at 50mph.
You can be done for exceeding this limit on average between 1 and 2, 1 and 3, 1 and 4, 2 and 3, 2 and 4 and so on.
You will often see people over take you despite the cameras being live, this is because some believe they only capture your average speed as you pass, and others just don't understand at all. Lots of tickets are likely issued accordingly.
Imagine a set of four cameras (1,2,3 and 4 for simplicity). The average speed limit is set at 50mph.
You can be done for exceeding this limit on average between 1 and 2, 1 and 3, 1 and 4, 2 and 3, 2 and 4 and so on.
You will often see people over take you despite the cameras being live, this is because some believe they only capture your average speed as you pass, and others just don't understand at all. Lots of tickets are likely issued accordingly.
I have been through the 15 miles of roadworks just south of the M6 on the M1 for times in the last two days and it seems that the two inside lanes are for those doing 50 or thereabouts and the outside lane is for those who's cars are invisible to the average speed cameras and continue to drive at 70ish.
I always wonder if they know something that I don't but I suspect they just get caught.
I always wonder if they know something that I don't but I suspect they just get caught.
ookware said:
Average speed cameras measure your average speed between each camera, or through several cameras.
Imagine a set of four cameras (1,2,3 and 4 for simplicity). The average speed limit is set at 50mph.
You can be done for exceeding this limit on average between 1 and 2, 1 and 3, 1 and 4, 2 and 3, 2 and 4 and so on.
Question: On a single stretch of road covered by a series of average cameras can one be ticketed more than once on the same stretch of road, or do they just ticket the highest of the readings? Using your example if one was exceeding the speed limit between cameras 1 and 2 and again between 3 and 4, would two speeding tickets be issued? Imagine a set of four cameras (1,2,3 and 4 for simplicity). The average speed limit is set at 50mph.
You can be done for exceeding this limit on average between 1 and 2, 1 and 3, 1 and 4, 2 and 3, 2 and 4 and so on.
I always set cruise control to GPS indicated 54 (even GPS isn't completely accurate so it allows a little leeway), a speedo indicated 59.
I presume that the majority or traffic is at a speedo indicated 49 or 50 and therefore actually travelling significantly slower than me.
Never had any problems because, as mentioned above, they don't start prosecuting 'till more than 56mph.
I presume that the majority or traffic is at a speedo indicated 49 or 50 and therefore actually travelling significantly slower than me.
Never had any problems because, as mentioned above, they don't start prosecuting 'till more than 56mph.
Thanks for the responses, but if prosecution starts at 57 mph then why did my endorsement state 56 mph in a 50 mph area ? and if Sat nav GPS cannot be relied upon as evidence in court due to potential inaccuracy then all we have to go on is the info on the summons through the post with no recourse to actuality. I will admit that at my speed awareness rehabilitation course, most people attending where surprised at being caught, it is no surprise in my experience as motorway driving is not part of the current driving test and therefore everyone driving on the motorway is self taught !
Sour grapes maybe, but I still feel the sting 2 years later and consider myself a considerate driver even though I was driving a sports car at the time, perhaps if I was driving the M&S branded artic in the outside lane at the time I may have been immune from prosection.
Sour grapes maybe, but I still feel the sting 2 years later and consider myself a considerate driver even though I was driving a sports car at the time, perhaps if I was driving the M&S branded artic in the outside lane at the time I may have been immune from prosection.
Cooper Green said:
Thanks for the responses, but if prosecution starts at 57 mph then why did my endorsement state 56 mph in a 50 mph area ? and if Sat nav GPS cannot be relied upon as evidence in court due to potential inaccuracy then all we have to go on is the info on the summons through the post with no recourse to actuality. I will admit that at my speed awareness rehabilitation course, most people attending where surprised at being caught, it is no surprise in my experience as motorway driving is not part of the current driving test and therefore everyone driving on the motorway is self taught !
Sour grapes maybe, but I still feel the sting 2 years later and consider myself a considerate driver even though I was driving a sports car at the time, perhaps if I was driving the M&S branded artic in the outside lane at the time I may have been immune from prosection.
It just means the scameras are set differently to your sat nav. And you could fight it on the grounds of its "supposedly" 10% + 2 IIRC. Sour grapes maybe, but I still feel the sting 2 years later and consider myself a considerate driver even though I was driving a sports car at the time, perhaps if I was driving the M&S branded artic in the outside lane at the time I may have been immune from prosection.
But I fear they d bulls
t it and say it dont count in roadworks. I on the other hand in my truck set cruise to 53mph and have never been done.
And as has been said in real terms you may be only doing 45/46mph., let me telk you no lorry driver worth his salts is going to sit behind you or anyone fir that matter at that speed.
Is it 19 miles worth still? ??
Cooper Green said:
Thanks for the responses, but if prosecution starts at 57 mph then why did my endorsement state 56 mph in a 50 mph area ? and if Sat nav GPS cannot be relied upon as evidence in court due to potential inaccuracy then all we have to go on is the info on the summons through the post with no recourse to actuality. I will admit that at my speed awareness rehabilitation course, most people attending where surprised at being caught, it is no surprise in my experience as motorway driving is not part of the current driving test and therefore everyone driving on the motorway is self taught !
Sour grapes maybe, but I still feel the sting 2 years later and consider myself a considerate driver even though I was driving a sports car at the time, perhaps if I was driving the M&S branded artic in the outside lane at the time I may have been immune from prosection.
It just means the scameras are set differently to your sat nav. And you could fight it on the grounds of its "supposedly" 10% + 2 IIRC. Sour grapes maybe, but I still feel the sting 2 years later and consider myself a considerate driver even though I was driving a sports car at the time, perhaps if I was driving the M&S branded artic in the outside lane at the time I may have been immune from prosection.
But I fear they d bulls
t it and say it dont count in roadworks. I on the other hand in my truck set cruise to 53mph and have never been done.
And as has been said in real terms you may be only doing 45/46mph., let me telk you no lorry driver worth his salts is going to sit behind you or anyone fir that matter at that speed.
Is it 19 miles worth still? ??
I live off Jcn 31 of the M1, so have roadworks and average speed zones directly Southbound and towards Leeds Northbound
I don't tend to go for Cruise as it's too busy, so instead set the speed limiter to 55 - which most of the time is keeping up with the rest of the traffic. Never any comeback.
Mind you, it's not the cameras that are the issue.....It's the nobs tooling along at 30mph in lane 3 while the other two are empty
I don't tend to go for Cruise as it's too busy, so instead set the speed limiter to 55 - which most of the time is keeping up with the rest of the traffic. Never any comeback.
Mind you, it's not the cameras that are the issue.....It's the nobs tooling along at 30mph in lane 3 while the other two are empty
johnao said:
ookware said:
Average speed cameras measure your average speed between each camera, or through several cameras.
Imagine a set of four cameras (1,2,3 and 4 for simplicity). The average speed limit is set at 50mph.
You can be done for exceeding this limit on average between 1 and 2, 1 and 3, 1 and 4, 2 and 3, 2 and 4 and so on.
Question: On a single stretch of road covered by a series of average cameras can one be ticketed more than once on the same stretch of road, or do they just ticket the highest of the readings? Using your example if one was exceeding the speed limit between cameras 1 and 2 and again between 3 and 4, would two speeding tickets be issued? Imagine a set of four cameras (1,2,3 and 4 for simplicity). The average speed limit is set at 50mph.
You can be done for exceeding this limit on average between 1 and 2, 1 and 3, 1 and 4, 2 and 3, 2 and 4 and so on.
This is only from a post a while ago on this subject though and not my knowledge so may not be correct.
I commute J31 to J28 everyday, doing the full 17miles of this hell. As others have said, prosecution starts at 57, meaning you have to be doing in the region of 62-64mph indicated to get caught. Traffic will get in your way at this speed anyway. The majority of traffic travels between 48-52 indicated so it's quite easy to travel faster than 95% of traffic.
Many don't get the concept of average speed cameras, I see many slamming the brakes on just before the cameras.
On a positive note, it's saving me money in fuel.
Many don't get the concept of average speed cameras, I see many slamming the brakes on just before the cameras.
On a positive note, it's saving me money in fuel.
Edited by cH3wY on Tuesday 7th October 21:40
littlebasher said:
Mind you, it's not the cameras that are the issue.....It's the nobs tooling along at 30mph in lane 3 while the other two are empty
Absolutely this.Pretty much every week I'm stuck behind some prick doing 45 in the outside lane either in the Leeds M1 roadworks or the Sheffield and south ones.
Why do they do it? Maybe they're just so busy concentrating on not touching 50mph that they can't process the thought of which lane to travel in...
How does everyone know the limit before prosecution is 57mph except me?? I thought it was up to the local police force to set the min prosecution limit? Not all go with 10% + a few or so I thought.
I don't have GPS but I tend to stick to about 52/53mph indicated to ensure i'm registering 50 or below. I still see loads of drivers especially on the M1 section J19-16 that are going waaay faster than 60odd, they must be getting caught surely??
I don't have GPS but I tend to stick to about 52/53mph indicated to ensure i'm registering 50 or below. I still see loads of drivers especially on the M1 section J19-16 that are going waaay faster than 60odd, they must be getting caught surely??
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