IAM President banned for totting up
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/4120545.stm
Driving ban for Queen's cousin
The Duke of Gloucester has been banned from driving for six months after being convicted of his fourth speeding offence in three years.
Magistrates in Ely, Cambridgeshire, also fined the Duke £60 and ordered him to pay £35 costs.
The Duke, who lives in an apartment in Kensington Palace in London and is a cousin of the Queen, did not comment as he left court on Thursday.
The 60-year-old is president of the Institute of Advanced Motorists.
Tut tut...I thought the IAM weren't that keen on their members having points for anything! Having said that, we're all standing at the top of that slippery slope, and at least this guy will be able to afford taxis for the next 6 months.
Driving ban for Queen's cousin
The Duke of Gloucester has been banned from driving for six months after being convicted of his fourth speeding offence in three years.
Magistrates in Ely, Cambridgeshire, also fined the Duke £60 and ordered him to pay £35 costs.
The Duke, who lives in an apartment in Kensington Palace in London and is a cousin of the Queen, did not comment as he left court on Thursday.
The 60-year-old is president of the Institute of Advanced Motorists.
Tut tut...I thought the IAM weren't that keen on their members having points for anything! Having said that, we're all standing at the top of that slippery slope, and at least this guy will be able to afford taxis for the next 6 months.
I'll sleep easier at night............No Discretion said:
I for one am pleased and so should you be...
How many posts would be have about double standards etc...if a duke had gotten away with it...?
Quite right, we don't want any more double standards.
However, it does show how this current obsession with total speed limit enforcement to the exclusion, or reduction, of proper measures to encourage better road safety is failing to target the appropriate culprits.
In this case the person banned for a few minor speeding offences will not be inconvenienced, but take the situation in which someone really cannot maintain their job, home and family without a licence. They gat 'pinged' for a few minor speeding offences over a 3 year period and get banned. What will they do? Continue to drive, that's what is happening.
A preposterous situation. No-one condones driving whilst disqual, but it is easy to see why that offence is on the increase and it's brought on by this stupid and badly thought-out camera obsession.
No Discretion said:
I for one am pleased and so should you be...
How many posts would be have about double standards etc...if a duke had gotten away with it...?
I'm not taking issue with the even handedness of the law. I'm sure he was dealt with in much the same way as joe public (as it should be). The issue i have is with the speeding legislation itself. How dangerous in reality were his actions. Would you consider yourself a menace on the road for straying 10mph over the national speed limit? Everybody on this forum has done this hundreds of times, 99% of drivers in the UK have done this hundreds of times. Should every driver in the country be banned? Or are there times when "discretion" is required to sort those responsible drivers from the wreckless shit wits we all see everyday?
p.s not having a go ND just a friendly debate
Where's the tumbleweed smiley??? 
4 x 3 points over a near-3 year period (just 1-month shy - how gutting must that be???), in this day and age, DOES NOT strike me as indicative of a dangerous driver...just an unlucky one.
70 in a 60 - oops, I do that most days, because the road I use is usually clear and quiet, with good visibility...am I a dangerous criminal??? But I still have a clean license...q.v. "unlucky" above!!!
4 x 3 points over a near-3 year period (just 1-month shy - how gutting must that be???), in this day and age, DOES NOT strike me as indicative of a dangerous driver...just an unlucky one.
70 in a 60 - oops, I do that most days, because the road I use is usually clear and quiet, with good visibility...am I a dangerous criminal??? But I still have a clean license...q.v. "unlucky" above!!!
this doesn't make much sense.
the points were awarded in December for an August offence? hence it being reported now? yet the earliest points were from Nov 2001?
unless it took them 4 months to put the on in the first place. but i thought the date they ran from was from the date of the offence.
so at the very worst, he got dun in August and stopped driving for 3 months, which he's already over?!
the points were awarded in December for an August offence? hence it being reported now? yet the earliest points were from Nov 2001?
unless it took them 4 months to put the on in the first place. but i thought the date they ran from was from the date of the offence.
so at the very worst, he got dun in August and stopped driving for 3 months, which he's already over?!
This is what it's all about now though, isn't it?
You're guilty of speeding. The scamera operator who nicks you is guilty of speeding. The magistrate you stand in front of speeds too. The clerk of the court speeds. Everyone in the whole court, camera partnership and police force speeds.
Every single person who has contributed to your prosecution is just as guilty as you of just the same offence. You were just unlucky enough to get caught.
And when justice is administered on the basis of luck, by people as guilty as the defendent, there's something deeply, deeply wrong with the country.
You're guilty of speeding. The scamera operator who nicks you is guilty of speeding. The magistrate you stand in front of speeds too. The clerk of the court speeds. Everyone in the whole court, camera partnership and police force speeds.
Every single person who has contributed to your prosecution is just as guilty as you of just the same offence. You were just unlucky enough to get caught.
And when justice is administered on the basis of luck, by people as guilty as the defendent, there's something deeply, deeply wrong with the country.
I know exactly where the scammers will have pinged him. It's a two mile straight single carriageway with one junction. They sit about half a mile past the junction once it's safe to speed up. It's the safest overtaking spot on an otherwise tractor infested cess pit of a mud track, jokingly referred to as a trunk road.
70 is totally safe there.
Where's my thermite
70 is totally safe there.
Where's my thermite
MMC said:
This is what it's all about now though, isn't it?
You're guilty of speeding. The scamera operator who nicks you is guilty of speeding. The magistrate you stand in front of speeds too. The clerk of the court speeds. Everyone in the whole court, camera partnership and police force speeds.
Every single person who has contributed to your prosecution is just as guilty as you of just the same offence. You were just unlucky enough to get caught.
And when justice is administered on the basis of luck, by people as guilty as the defendent, there's something deeply, deeply wrong with the country.
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MilnerR said:
I for one am pleased and so should you be...
How many posts would be have about double standards etc...if a duke had gotten away with it...?
I'm not taking issue with the even handedness of the law. I'm sure he was dealt with in much the same way as joe public (as it should be). The issue i have is with the speeding legislation itself. How dangerous in reality were his actions. Would you consider yourself a menace on the road for straying 10mph over the national speed limit? Everybody on this forum has done this hundreds of times, 99% of drivers in the UK have done this hundreds of times. Should every driver in the country be banned? Or are there times when "discretion" is required to sort those responsible drivers from the wreckless shit wits we all see everyday?
p.s not having a go ND just a friendly debate
Go on, have a go at ND, he sometimes deserves it!
I'll hold yer coat.
Best wishes all,
Dave - hastily taking refuge in a safe spot.
No Discretion said:
Dave...
You know you are so fond of the discretionless one...
I even have a drink on you...
Yes you're quite right. You can't be wrong all the time.
Ah the little matter of the drinking. After careful consideration I think you should be OK to drive after one or two of those - well at least no worse than usual.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
gh0st said:
This is what it's all about now though, isn't it?
You're guilty of speeding. The scamera operator who nicks you is guilty of speeding. The magistrate you stand in front of speeds too. The clerk of the court speeds. Everyone in the whole court, camera partnership and police force speeds.
Every single person who has contributed to your prosecution is just as guilty as you of just the same offence. You were just unlucky enough to get caught.
And when justice is administered on the basis of luck, by people as guilty as the defendent, there's something deeply, deeply wrong with the country.
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This government will not be happy until almost all motorists are banned off the roads. Then MPs will be able to be wafted to their meetings in their chauffeur-driven BMWs (no Rovers or Jaguars for them, oh no) on deserted roads to discuss why the 
all the income they used to get from Safety Cameras and Congestion Charging has dried up.
Still, at least the country will be a better, more productive place, and all those horrid cars will be gone and the nice buses which cascade flowers and petals out of their exhaust pipes will be free to roam the roads, repairing the ozone layer and bringing the dead back to life as they pass.
Ahhh
(More dried frog pills for JonRB please, nurse
)
all the income they used to get from Safety Cameras and Congestion Charging has dried up. Still, at least the country will be a better, more productive place, and all those horrid cars will be gone and the nice buses which cascade flowers and petals out of their exhaust pipes will be free to roam the roads, repairing the ozone layer and bringing the dead back to life as they pass.
Ahhh
(More dried frog pills for JonRB please, nurse
)Bitter'n'twisted said:
MMC said:
This is what it's all about now though, isn't it?
You're guilty of speeding. The scamera operator who nicks you is guilty of speeding. The magistrate you stand in front of speeds too. The clerk of the court speeds. Everyone in the whole court, camera partnership and police force speeds.
Every single person who has contributed to your prosecution is just as guilty as you of just the same offence. You were just unlucky enough to get caught.
And when justice is administered on the basis of luck, by people as guilty as the defendent, there's something deeply, deeply wrong with the country.
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Can we all spell "hypocrisy"???
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