RE: Hillclimb school in a Golf R

RE: Hillclimb school in a Golf R

Tuesday 14th October 2014

Hillclimb school in a Golf R

Hillclimbing in a hot hatch? PH goes back to school at Harewood and competes at Shelsley Walsh



There have been mixed feelings in the PH office about the Volkswagen Golf R, so when one pitched up for a few weeks it seemed only right to explore its full potential. Given the 'R' in Golf R stands for 'Racing', what better test of the quickest Golf's mettle than a little light motorsport?

Timing strut attached, stickers on; let's hillclimb!
Timing strut attached, stickers on; let's hillclimb!
The chosen branch of motorsport for this caper is hillclimbing for three good reasons. First off, this writer gets dizzy going round the supermarket, never mind a circuit. Secondly, hillclimbing is affordable and accessible, so almost anyone can replicate our experience. Lastly but perhaps most importantly, hillclimbing is a lot like driving on your favourite stretch of road but without others to worry about, so is quite a real-world test.

Back to the start
Our chosen hillclimbs offer two extremes of this gentlemanly sport in the form of Shelsley Walsh and Harewood. Shelsley is the oldest working motorsport venue in the world and is very much about power as there are only really two proper corners along its course. Alternatively, Harewood is all about corners and how they flow from one to the next, so getting it right here is down to handling and grip.

This should be something very much in the Golf R's favour thanks to four-wheel drive courtesy of VW's latest fifth-generation Haldex 4Motion system. Throw in 300hp from the 2.0-litre turbo petrol engine and a six-speed manual gearbox, and you have an ideal hillclimb spec.

We could have chosen the quicker DSG-equipped Golf R, but a manual allows the driver full control of gear selection on a hillclimb rather than risk waiting for the car to decide to change down as you enter a corner.

Run what ya brung

There is a reason for the odd wheels...
There is a reason for the odd wheels...

Our first trial for the Golf R was a 350-mile drive to Shelsley Walsh, which it knocked off in refined style. It even managed decent fuel economy when cruising in Eco mode.

This was soon forgotten with the car warming up for the first practice on Saturday morning. Then it was ESP off, traction control off and into the selectable Race mode. Shelsley has an endearingly shambolic selection process for Saturday practice where it's first come first served for the running order. Being even more shambolic, teammate David and I found ourselves running quite far back in the day. Even so, we managed two practice runs and both showed improvements in times.

Much of my improvement came from getting the Golf R off the line much more cleanly than David. Where he suffered from the engine bogging down and limiting its rev ceiling, I was able to catch the revs before they sank back to the car's preferred default limit after an initial burst of revs.

Impressive start
The result was a best start of 2.33 seconds for the first 64 feet, which is a key marker in hillclimbing as two seconds to 64 feet means the car is pulling 1g of acceleration. To put the Golf R's performance into context, it was only 0.2 seconds slower than Tony Bunker's Nissan GT-R, which was running on super-soft Toyo tyres and the Golf was on standard road rubber.

Diverse line up waiting for the hill
Diverse line up waiting for the hill
It's worth mentioning we did run with 19-inch wheels on the front as they have a softer rubber compound than the 18-inch wheels the Golf R comes with as standard. Did it give us an edge? Not really and it would be nigh on impossible to measure, but it's always worth trying. We did tweak the tyre pressures though, to get the best from the standard set-up. All we did was drop the pressures a little at the front to get the most grip and upped them at the back to help the rear move around a little more to improve turn in. Obviously they were put back to factory to drive on the road!

Off the line and up through Kennel and Crossing, the Golf felt composed and quick, with a very slight lift off the throttle required for Crossing. Then it was all about choosing the right braking point into the Bottom S. For once, I got a good line sorted and carried the speed into Top S and on to Main Straight and across the finish line.

Each run was quicker than the last and ended up with a 36.17 second competition run. Not quite into the 35s where I was aiming but a personal best and the Golf R had proved it was quick in a straight line, even if the brakes miss a little sensitivity when slowing.

Yorkshire grit
A couple of weeks later, the Golf R's second test was Harewood, which has 10 corners to Shelsley's two and you only need second and third gears at Harewood where Shelsley has the Golf revving hard in fourth.

64ft time indicator of a good start
64ft time indicator of a good start
Our visit was for one of the excellent Harewood Driving School days, which cost £175 for a day's tuition, driving and video souvenir. The day starts with walking the course with your instructor, who explains the lines and provides plenty of tips about getting it right.

From there, your first run is with the instructor to put theory into practice, and there are cones to mark out entry, apex and entry points. At Harewood, there are a lot of late turn-ins, so paying attention pays dividends. After that, it's practice runs in running order, which means about three runs before lunch.

With a bit of nutritional ballast on board, the afternoon offers a quicker turnaround of runs, helped by Harewood being one of the few hillclimbs where you don't have to use the track to return to the paddock. The real difference is the marker cones have been removed, so it's all down to you.

The Golf R began to shine at Harewood in a way it didn't at Shelsley. Four-wheel drive and easy to predict slight understeer made it simple to place the car and use all of the track to its benefit. Even the brakes seemed more progressive and in tune.

Be brave Al, be brave!
Be brave Al, be brave!
While the R's 5mm lower suspension than a Golf GTI's might not make much difference in most circumstances, the R certainly felt roll-free for a road car. Its steering too was more suited to Harewood than Shelsley, with a quick turn-in and a front end less prone to running wide.

All of those corners meant more stirring of the gear lever, but the Golf R has an accurate shift that never refused to slot home, even during the less than sympathetic changes of a committed competition run. By the end of the day, I was a lot hotter than the Golf but was rewarded with top prize for most determined driver of the day.

So, two very different tests for the Volkswagen Golf R and it passed both with flying colours. Perhaps most telling of all is how easily the Golf R slipped from road car into hillclimber and back, fully earning its R for Racing moniker.

 





   
   
   
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54Kab

Original Poster:

69 posts

142 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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- cool. Sounds like a blast. And I like the 'full commitment' of folded-in mirrors :-)

Coincidentally, I visited my first hill climb last month (Gurston Down) and really keen to have a go... in my R...

Edited by 54Kab on Tuesday 14th October 12:04

simsith

33 posts

214 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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I am really pleased to read this, I am fortunate enough to sell these for a living and have driven them quite a few times now, but I have always worried that it was just a B-Road special, nice to know that it can handle itself on the track too.

its also worth bearing in mind that the DSG can be overidden to a certain extent by sliding the gear stick to the left (manual position) it also has the benifit of launch control which is quite a bit quicker than the optimum manual launch and it takes no skill to do just the abitlity to press a few buttons

(not selling promise) but there are some stupidly good PCH and BCH deals on these cars at the moment, not that i think VW want you to track them wink.

no effort

224 posts

179 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Any vids?

Richair

1,021 posts

197 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Good write up and glad you enjoyed the hillcliming (who doesn't!?). Maybe we'll be seeing a bit more of the PH team at some hillclimb events in future?.. You need to come to Loton Park if you want excitment wink

griffdude

1,823 posts

248 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Hi Alistair

How does the Golf compare to the Astra?

Here's another way that nearly 300bhp gets you up the hill at Harewood

http://youtu.be/Ur0iAQM5IJM?t=20s

& Shelsey

http://youtu.be/Uy3DXmjNrPo

Still got my L places on but it's fun learning.

Skylinecrazy

13,986 posts

194 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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griffdude said:
Hi Alistair

How does the Golf compare to the Astra?

Here's another way that nearly 300bhp gets you up the hill at Harewood

http://youtu.be/Ur0iAQM5IJM?t=20s

& Shelsey

http://youtu.be/Uy3DXmjNrPo

Still got my L places on but it's fun learning.
After seeing your griff fly around Curborough you are certainly not a beginner!

Gio G

2,946 posts

209 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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This looks like allot of fun, thanks for sharing. Do you think a DSG equipped R could have done better?

Thanks G

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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What's the deal with safety equipment on hillclimbs?


Zumbruk

7,848 posts

260 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
What's the deal with safety equipment on hillclimbs?
You need a Nomex suit & gloves & an approved helmet. That's it. For the car, if it's road registered, stick on a timing strut & some numbers & off you go!

And if you think there are only 2 corners at Shelsley, I suggest you look at this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86jOAQwKsIM

andyps

7,817 posts

282 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Great to see this write up, I'm biased but Harewood is brilliant!

In terms of safety requirements in the road going class there is nothing needed for the car - it needs insurance and MOT but nothing else special - yellow tape on battery earth lead, ignition off indication, tow hook and the timing strut. Driver needs overalls, helmet and gloves with appropriate approvals.

Get on the hill and have fun!

andyps

7,817 posts

282 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Some photos from the Harewood school day, including Al in the Golf here - https://www.facebook.com/phill.andrews.7/media_set...

Guvernator

13,143 posts

165 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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I've always been interested in the Hillclimb phenomenon as it looks like a relatively cheap and easy way into amateur motorsport but after seeing the footage of that TVR at Harewood, I can't help but think the safety aspect is err... a bit lacking.

A track barely wide enough for the car and small slippery grass run-offs leading straight into some very close and high grass verges\banks. one mistake and you could end up on your roof!

The second footage at Shelsey looks a bit better but the possibility of bork factor is still very high, especially since most will be amateur drivers. I'm not usually one for the nanny-safety brigade but both venues don't look like somewhere I'd want risk my own car\life.

Knowing very little about Hillclimb, can someone clue me in as to the safety aspects\planning at such events or is it really as mad as that footage makes it look? I assume should the worst happen, you wouldn't be insured either.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

152 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Shelsley when done at a bit of a clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYbocg-u-Xs

Also, when he says 2 corners I assume he meant Crossing and the Esses - I think Stirling Moss once called Crossing one of the most challenging corners in British motorsport due to the apex being late and for the most part concealed behind the inside bank until you are right on top of it. Though that is second hand from other club members so could be apocryphal

Guvernator - on of the advantages of hillclimbing is there isn't someone else to pressure you or to make you do something you can't/aren't comfortable doing. You can drive within yourself and build up to the edge of your personal ability.

griffdude

1,823 posts

248 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Guvernator said:
I've always been interested in the Hillclimb phenomenon as it looks like a relatively cheap and easy way into amateur motorsport but after seeing the footage of that TVR at Harewood, I can't help but think the safety aspect is err... a bit lacking.

A track barely wide enough for the car and small slippery grass run-offs leading straight into some very close and high grass verges\banks. one mistake and you could end up on your roof!

The second footage at Shelsey looks a bit better but the possibility of bork factor is still very high, especially since most will be amateur drivers. I'm not usually one for the nanny-safety brigade but both venues don't look like somewhere I'd want risk my own car\life.

Knowing very little about Hillclimb, can someone clue me in as to the safety aspects\planning at such events or is it really as mad as that footage makes it look? I assume should the worst happen, you wouldn't be insured either.
Firstly, insurance is available through specialists.

The hillclimb tracks are marshalled by very competent volunteers who could also marshall at major events.

Yes it is dangerous, as you observed.

pSynrg

238 posts

182 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Well done Golf R & driver.

Shame the car is so interminably fking dull in every other respect!

Guvernator

13,143 posts

165 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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griffdude said:
Firstly, insurance is available through specialists.

The hillclimb tracks are marshalled by very competent volunteers who could also marshall at major events.

Yes it is dangerous, as you observed.
Thanks, I already suspected the marshalling would be competent and good to know insurance is available. I also agree that if you drive within your own limits, you should be OK but I suspect the temptation to push harder harder on each run is definitely very strong and my point is as an amateur driver, you will get it wrong at some point and the venues just don't look very forgiving to mistakes.

Hat's off to you for going at it in a TVR though. I suspect if I did have a go, I'd want to try it in something a little tamer and easier to repair first :-)

andyps

7,817 posts

282 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Guvernator said:
Thanks, I already suspected the marshalling would be competent and good to know insurance is available. I also agree that if you drive within your own limits, you should be OK but I suspect the temptation to push harder harder on each run is definitely very strong and my point is as an amateur driver, you will get it wrong at some point and the venues just don't look very forgiving to mistakes.

Hat's off to you for going at it in a TVR though. I suspect if I did have a go, I'd want to try it in something a little tamer and easier to repair first :-)
I've been attending Harewood as a spectator, marshal and more recently a competitor. It is motorsport and therefore of course it is dangerous but the number of accidents is pretty low and those which are serious even lower. Harewood may look tight from inside the car but in reality it doesn't feel it when you are driving, and there are pretty large run-off areas at the places you are likely to be going fastest/come off. Of course self restraint has to come into it and there is a temptation to push harder but most people seem to have a certain amount of self restraint/preservation and survive the day with car intact.

Maybe I just don't try hard enough!

54Kab

Original Poster:

69 posts

142 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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pSynrg said:
Well done Golf R & driver.

Shame the car is so interminably fking dull in every other respect!
-To look at? -yeah possibly, but most people who own them are happy with the Q car thing. It's under the radar, even less 'obvious' than a GTI/GTD.

..otherwise, drive one hard and it has the all the best traits of classic hot hatches, AND it will embarrass a lot of 'quick' cars....

graham22

3,294 posts

205 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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article said:
.......hillclimbing is a lot like driving on your favourite stretch of road
Nothing like it - total commitment and beyond needed right from the line, one mistake however minor and the time's gone.

Having ridden a road bike to & from events were I raced another bike, the first few miles of the journey home were entertaining.

Gio G

2,946 posts

209 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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54Kab said:
-To look at? -yeah possibly, but most people who own them are happy with the Q car thing. It's under the radar, even less 'obvious' than a GTI/GTD.

..otherwise, drive one hard and it has the all the best traits of classic hot hatches, AND it will embarrass a lot of 'quick' cars....
I would not bother trying to convince people on here, you know how good it is...

G