Is now the time to buy an early 996 or 997 carrera?

Is now the time to buy an early 996 or 997 carrera?

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LaurasOtherHalf

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21,429 posts

195 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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All 911s have gone through the doldrums, ask anyone into the marque for long enough & it really isn't that long since a 993 was simply neither classic nor modern, a 964 a leaky old thing, impact bumpers another 80's throwback & even 2.7rs' just old thrashed old race cars.

But an early 996 with the dual row IMS? There are very few mint ones out there & at £15k give or take are they really half a 964?

We all know the engine risks-but look at how many air cooled cars are advertised with engine refreshes & you start to wonder if it's really that much different.

Discuss...

Edited by LaurasOtherHalf on Saturday 18th October 16:58

g7jhp

6,958 posts

237 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Had a similar thought yesterday.

SC, 3.2 and 964 were all unloved against the 993 when the 996 was the emperor's new clothes.

Now 996 is the unloved car (and 997.1 are coming down).

With the move to PDK, electronic aided and possibly turbo 4 pots the future could be rebuilt 996/997's.

Watch this space.

LordHaveMurci

12,034 posts

168 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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But they all go bang, they're all bland looking with ugly lights & piss poor interiors & blah blah blah.



Apparently.

slodge

512 posts

161 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Almost pulled the trigger recently on a 3.4 996 C2 manual (similar to my very first 911), great cars in my opinion. Think the early 996 on original rims and with ambers is looking good now aesthetically and price wise. RPM just sold a minter for around £17k, Darren's personal car, very nice. I went for a 997.1 C2 (3.6) in the end as have had a few 996s and also have 996.2 GT3 in garage. 997.1 C2 is a lot of car for the money, cheap insurance and loves to rev. Pick her up next Saturday after rims are swapped for Carrera Classics! driving



Cheers

Slodge

Pugley

687 posts

191 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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I've never seen a really rusty one and at 15 years old you would expect a few?

Perhaps we could hijack this thread into a "post your rusty 996 pictures" theme.

It would be different as I am bored with RMS,IMS, D Chunk bore, burnt Teflon death stories................ even if they are all true?

whistle

LaurasOtherHalf

Original Poster:

21,429 posts

195 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Nice car slodge thumbup


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...

I don't usually like white cars, nor aero kitted 996s, but it somehow works with the turbo twists-oh & the one lady owner & low miles smile just needs gingers fitted!

slodge

512 posts

161 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Nice car slodge thumbup


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...

I don't usually like white cars, nor aero kitted 996s, but it somehow works with the turbo twists-oh & the one lady owner & low miles smile just needs gingers fitted!
Thanks, good amount of power for the road if you know what I mean. Bizarrely that white car looks OK, against the odds and all my usual preferences! Have a few beers then get on eBay tonight! Good luck with the search.

Still miss this, the one that started it all for me. In hindsight would have been cheaper to develop a crack habit...



Cheers

Slodge

LaurasOtherHalf

Original Poster:

21,429 posts

195 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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I'm still weighing it all up slodge, no eBay bidding just yet! Thing is, as much as I think a great next car would be a GT3 or a GTS it's a lot of money tied up in one car.

For less money, i can get a 996 or 997 with a large contingency fund, money in the bank & I get to keep the GP.

But.....

Would it be a half measure against the air cooled alternative?

SEE YA

3,522 posts

244 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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The 996 Turbo as well great value these days, IMO they will be going up in the next five years. So now is the time to buy.

Edited by SEE YA on Saturday 18th October 20:09

xftdr

1,066 posts

203 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Is now the time to buy an early 996 or 997 carrera?

No.

Engine. Bang. Nuff said.

993kimbo

2,972 posts

184 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Good post Craig,

993's - Money Pits. End of. Been there, had four nice ones.

Now looking at early 996 or early 997.

Impartial advice from HONEST Porsche Mechanic mates : "996's (apart for the Turbos) are st. 997 C1's, the same. Both made with inferior parts, all will have engine problems at some time or another and underside, they're all rusty. Both will cost you a fortune. Stay clear unless you have unlimited funds to repair."

Good enough for me. A shame I don't have that sort of dough in reserve.

We all have friends who have 996's and 7's who haven't had a problem.

Should it really be like this?

I fart loudly in Porsche's direction....and I suppose at the end of the day, in the words of Clint Eastwwood:

Do you feel lucky?









Edited by 993kimbo on Saturday 18th October 20:34

jimmy p

960 posts

165 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Nice car slodge thumbup


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...

I don't usually like white cars, nor aero kitted 996s, but it somehow works with the turbo twists-oh & the one lady owner & low miles smile just needs gingers fitted!
Not sure but think this car may of been silver as that's what the pistonheads advert states if you scroll down the advert. Possible wrap or respray?? Could just be a mistake on the PH advert however silver was a popular colour for these however I have never seen a genuine white from factory car!!

colnagoglyn

51 posts

132 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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My 2005 997 2S with 60000 on the clock is probably worth £20000 or thereabouts.

It's in perfect condition, has reversing sensors, heated seats and PSE.

Apart from scheduled servicing , road tax, insurance and petrol it has required the following in nearly ten years,

Battery
Clutch
Cooling Fan Motor

It averages around 22mph and costs me less than £250 a year to insure.

Even though it was registered in March 2005 it has the upgraded IMS bearing, something I discovered when I had the new clutch fitted.

I intend to keep it indefinitely so if and when it needs an engine rebuild I won't begrudge spending the money.

It's a fantastic car and it still will be in ten years time so I think it's a great time to buy one of the last 996s or an early 997.

Edited by colnagoglyn on Saturday 18th October 21:14


Edited by colnagoglyn on Saturday 18th October 21:16

993kimbo

2,972 posts

184 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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We were looking at the underneath of a 997 CcS at the time. All the bolts were rusty. He said ALL the 997's that came in were rusty underneath like that.


drmark

4,792 posts

185 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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993kimbo said:
Good post Craig,

993's - Money Pits. End of. Been there, had four nice ones.

Now looking at early 996 or early 997.

Impartial advice from HONEST Porsche Mechanic mates : "996's (apart for the Turbos) are st. 997 C1's, the same. Both made with inferior parts, all will have engine problems at some time or another and underside, they're all rusty. Both will cost you a fortune. Stay clear unless you have unlimited funds to repair."

Good enough for me. A shame I don't have that sort of dough in reserve.

We all have friends who have 996's and 7's who haven't had a problem.

Should it really be like this?

I fart loudly in Porsche's direction....and I suppose at the end of the day, in the words of Clint Eastwwood:

Do you feel lucky?









Edited by 993kimbo on Saturday 18th October 20:34
997.1 is a fab car. And mine has cost me a fraction of what my air cooleds have cost me to keep on the road (993 to 70 2.2s, and most in between).

993kimbo

2,972 posts

184 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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I believe you. All my 993's cost 3-5k a year.

But has your engine gone pop yet?


My thought: Buy a 996, Buy a 997...but have Ten Grand in your back pocket for the inevitable.

Edited by 993kimbo on Saturday 18th October 21:59

drmark

4,792 posts

185 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Honest opinion? If you want an event - on a shortish trip - go air cooled. But if you want a great daily driver get a 997 (996 doesn't look right to me). And buy post 2006 . Potential 997 owners spend too much time worrying about stuff that will probably never happen, while air cooled guys conveniently forget the fortune they spend on annual up keep.

993kimbo

2,972 posts

184 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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I'd agree with that. Then I guess the next thing we talk about is depreciation. Have those early 996's and 7's hit the bottom now?

SEE YA

3,522 posts

244 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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drmark said:
Honest opinion? If you want an event - on a shortish trip - go air cooled. But if you want a great daily driver get a 997 (996 doesn't look right to me). And buy post 2006 . Potential 997 owners spend too much time worrying about stuff that will probably never happen, while air cooled guys conveniently forget the fortune they spend on annual up keep.
You drive you pay for your pleasure, either way cars need money spent on them.

Your money your call find a car, you are happy with and makes you smile.

I am happy to spend it on the upkeep on my car.

'EVERY MILE IS A SMILE'

Slobberchops

3,619 posts

200 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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The comments about rust are laughable really.

And I doubt the 996.2 has much further to fall, £10-12k for a decent one with a few miles, though a lot more for a low mileage Carrera 4S.

Been saying for a long time that these are a bargain and will rise in value, or at least hold steady. Turbo models already seen some rises.