RE: SEAT Leon Cupra 280: PH Fleet

RE: SEAT Leon Cupra 280: PH Fleet

Tuesday 4th November 2014

SEAT Leon Cupra 280: PH Fleet

Matt's Leon is racking up the miles with everyone but him at the wheel!



Poor old Leon. Fresh from being beaten (in my eyes) by its cheaper 265 counterpart, it was whisked away by t'others in the PH office before it could reclaim a place in my affections. Here you can read what Nathan and James made of the Cupra experience as I've barely driven KM14XHO since the last update. It's mostly positive...

Having rather embarrassingly kerbed a wheel recently, the Cupra will return to SEAT soon. What would be nice of course is if they replaced all four wheels, the tyres, the brakes and the seats to give us a Performance Packed Cupra 280... We'll keep pushing for that but either way we will get some exposure to that specification, be it on our car or a test Leon, very soon.

One final thing; I've seen another Cupra on the road! It was on the back of a transporter but that still counts. If you do have one or indeed opted for a rival instead of the SEAT I'd be really intrigued to hear what you think. Thoughts from the boys below!


James writes: "I love a good road trip. Perhaps it is the heady cocktail of man and machine, battling against the elements. More likely, I just enjoy driving and love a good challenge. Either way I jump at any opportunity to plan one.

Not exactly ideal when faced with autoroutes
Not exactly ideal when faced with autoroutes
"A few weeks ago I was invited to a meeting with the Automobile Club de l'Ouest (ACO) at its office in Le Mans. On the agenda was an in depth discussion about PH's planned activities for LM24 in 2015 so my attendance was obviously a matter of national importance. A heavily pregnant wife meant I needed to be there and back in a day, but the time of the meeting meant that planes and trains were off the cards. Sadly the PH helicopter was in use too, so a road trip really was the only option...

"And so it was that I found myself leaving for France at 3:45 on a Wednesday 'morning'. After what seemed like ages the sat-nav had plotted the best route for the 361 miles from Surrey to Le Mans. It was time to start the mission; the fuel tank was full, the packet of Haribo was only half empty, it's really still night time... and I can't remember if I locked the back door. Hit it.

"Now at this point some of you may be wondering why I chose to take the SEAT on a road trip of this nature. A hot hatch capable of demolishing Germany's most famous toll road (with the right options) isn't normally first choice for a journey that would be more befitting of something clad entirely in wood and leather. Perhaps the most important point is that there were no other cars available... but let's not let that get in the way.

That's  fair old slog for one day!
That's fair old slog for one day!
"However, the Cupra was great for the journey. Heated seats, LED lights, lane assist, radar cruise control - the list goes on. All these things add up to a car which is a bit of a swiss army knife, but I guess that's the point of a modern hot hatch. No one owns one as a second 'weekend car' and as such they tend to be a 'one car fits all' solution to any car enthusiast who only has space and / or funds for a single car. As such, journeys like this should be dispatched as easily as another hot lap of the Nurburgring. Even better if it's that exact tedious journey to Nurburg...

"The only fly in the ointment was that - unbeknown to me [sorry JD... - MB] - the Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) sensor had previously been knocked out of alignment and was therefore not functioning. I tried everything to fix it at a motorway service station. Annoyingly, poking the sensor then turning it on and off quickly while mumbling expletives didn't do much. This was a crushing blow as the mostly traffic-free autoroutes of France are what cruise control was invented for. I occasionally tried to catch the system out by switching it on when it wasn't expecting it, just to make sure it hadn't self healed in the three-minute interval since my last attempt. This also failed.

Matt did have a great two-car fleet. Once...
Matt did have a great two-car fleet. Once...
Anyway, I made it to Le Mans with the minimum of fuss and without ripping the cruise control stalk out of the column. The meeting went well (more on this soon) and soon the miles were rolling by on the return leg. With a little more time to spare before my channel crossing I decided to take a more scenic route. This conveniently afforded the opportunity to experiment with the adjustable VAQ electronic differential on some beautifully surfaced but very wet slip roads. The difference in the settings is really noticeable and perhaps most surprisingly the standard setting pretty much amounts to the differential being off. Any Cupra owners who are yet to fiddle with the settings need to find themselves a long slippery third-gear gear corner and start experimenting.

"The distinct lack of anything else noteworthy probably speaks volumes about how capable the car is. As I pulled into my driveway the odometer ticked onto 694 miles for the day. I'd averaged 55mph over 12 hours and 47 minutes, a number that would be more or less unachievable on UK roads without a police escort. Surprisingly though the car only averaged 31.3 mpg, which is lower than I'd expected. Perhaps that figure would have benefitted from working cruise control..."


Nathan writes: "For our recent Sunday Service at Zenos I had the key to the Leon. Matt had minced off in a Boxster and James had an Infiniti Q50. More on that car soon.

Nathan's another fan of Blu-Tack blue
Nathan's another fan of Blu-Tack blue
"But I was looking forward to driving the 280 to see how different it was from the 265 we had in few weeks ago. I'd love to say there was a big difference but in reality the average Joe (me) isn't going to notice 15hp [yes, one more for the 265 camp - MB].

"The Leon is not visually shouty and I love the fairly subtle colour [yes, one more for the Dynamic Grey camp - MB] meaning it blends in. With a decent ride too you can go about your business without much fuss. Are these good things though? I'm not sure. I'm not generally a fan of subtle cars so I reckon turbocharged engines should let everyone know with pops, bangs and whistles. The Leon tries its hardest though to sound naturally aspirated. I like the noise, some others don't, but for me I think it should sound more turbocharged [would you guess Nathan's own car is a Celica GT-Four?].

"The sat-nav only accepts road names with no option for postcode entry. I can't understand why this is considered a better option as it takes so much longer and isn't as accurate. No such complaints about the sound system, with faultless Bluetooth and good quality. Useful when, like James, you're setting off for a foreign land very early in the morning...

"Of course the Leon's hot hatch dark side is locked up in that Cupra mode. Then the inner hooligan emerges and I like the car most in this mode; the exhaust note, the sharper throttle response and the heavier steering blend together to make, for me, a good car a really fun one. Is it £30K worth of fun though? Discuss..."


FACT SHEET
Car:
 SEAT Leon Cupra 280
Run by: Matt (well, it's meant to be...)
On fleet since: July 2014
Mileage: 4,658
List price new: £26,945 before options (£29,650 as tested, comprising Leather Pack with Winter Pack £755, Driver Assist Pack including high beam and lane assist £295, Safety Pack £115, SEAT Sound System £250, Adaptive Cruise Control and front assist £500, space saver £95 and Dynamic custom paint £695).
Last month at a glance: Leon (mostly) wins over two more as the other PH staff get behind the wheel

Previous reports:
A 280hp Leon arrives, all discussion is on the damn paint
Against racer and hot hatch nemesis the Leon does just fine
Quick and capable yes, but could it be more so?
Slower Cupra battles faster Cupra. Wins. Huh?

 

 

 

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rob.e

Original Poster:

2,861 posts

278 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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"The sat-nav only accepts road names with no option for postcode entry"

Is that right? My two year old vag/skoda system you can enter street/road/number or full post code. Seems like a step backwards if that's right?

Actus Reus

4,234 posts

155 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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I have a Golf R with the cheaper VAG Nav and it does accept post codes, but the option is well hidden - it is there though. No idea if this system is the same, but imagine it is.
ETA: with cruise on my R I got 33mpg on a run across Normandy - and that was with under 1000 miles on the clock.

ghibbett

1,901 posts

185 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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694 miles in a day. Pah!


cptSparko

2 posts

113 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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The sat-nav does take postcodes, there is a button at the bottom-left of the screen where you enter the destination town; it is not immediately obvious. Assuming that the Cupra has the same upgraded infotainment pack as my FR ST.

"However, the Cupra was great for the journey. Heated seats, xenon lights...."
I thought all mk3 Leons had LEDs?

corcoran

536 posts

274 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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I can't decide if the understated look of the car is fantastic or deeply troubling.

it's annoying.

Snollygoster

1,538 posts

139 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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ghibbett said:
694 miles in a day. Pah!

Love the speed and consumption to go with it hehe

Impressive average speed over that mileage.

JD PH

2,670 posts

117 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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Snollygoster said:
Love the speed and consumption to go with it hehe

Impressive average speed over that mileage.
That really is impressive, especially as I know I wasn't hanging around in the Seat either! Good mileage too - top work Sir!

JD

Clivey

5,110 posts

204 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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Snollygoster said:
ghibbett said:
694 miles in a day. Pah!

Love the speed and consumption to go with it hehe

Impressive average speed over that mileage.
That's quite a big fuel bill for that trip! nuts

tomic

720 posts

145 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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I've done various trips of mixed driving in my BMW 330i E92 with 272bhp where I've really not been hanging around - my average speed has usually been around 55mph but I'll always achieve higher mpg than that. If you drive in a Christian fashion you can achieve more.

I thought the idea of these smaller turbocharged engines was that you reduced fuel consumption but got the same power output?

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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cptSparko said:
The sat-nav does take postcodes, there is a button at the bottom-left of the screen where you enter the destination town; it is not immediately obvious. Assuming that the Cupra has the same upgraded infotainment pack as my FR ST.

"However, the Cupra was great for the journey. Heated seats, xenon lights...."
I thought all mk3 Leons had LEDs?
You're right! SEAT made all that fuss about them and James didn't notice (and neither did I when reading it). I'll amend it now, thanks for pointing it out.

And as Nathan can't work out how to use the sat-nav properly he's banned from using the car too. Back in my ownership!

MB

Clivey

5,110 posts

204 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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tomic said:
I thought the idea of these smaller turbocharged engines was that you reduced fuel consumption but got the same power output?
Exactly. I averaged that sort of MPG (low 30s) in my old 6-pot NA BMW on a trip to Wales, not exactly hanging around on the roads in the valleys and around Snowdonia...and including two high-rev laps of the the Evo Triangle.

We've gone from an E46 320i to an R56 Mini JCW. The BMW was almost always fuelled with 95 octane, whereas the Mini's had only BP or Shell super during our ownership. MPG in the same mostly urban conditions is 26 (BMW) and 31 (Mini). Once you factor in the extra ~300Kg of the 3-Series, the difference is minimal.

J4CKO

41,529 posts

200 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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Devils Advocate mode, but why would you buy one of these with the Golf R available, there does not seem to be that much in it price wise, it is a VAG 2.0 Turbo Petrol but makes less power and does without 4wd ?

30 grand for a Seat ? can you get them cheaper than that, the Focus ST doesn't give that much away, 30 bhp and allegedly can be had for 18 grand or so.




Greggyboy

61 posts

128 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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You can get the seat a fair bit cheaper than list.

synXero

75 posts

122 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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Ha. I did 750+miles from Amsterdam to Edinburgh in one day in the Corvette C5 and got 33mpg. Bang.

JackReacher

2,126 posts

215 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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J4CKO said:
Devils Advocate mode, but why would you buy one of these with the Golf R available, there does not seem to be that much in it price wise, it is a VAG 2.0 Turbo Petrol but makes less power and does without 4wd ?

30 grand for a Seat ? can you get them cheaper than that, the Focus ST doesn't give that much away, 30 bhp and allegedly can be had for 18 grand or so.
Exclusivity for a start! Probably less likely to get stolen, but mostly price. Think you can get it for 23/24k through brokers.

J4CKO

41,529 posts

200 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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JackReacher said:
J4CKO said:
Devils Advocate mode, but why would you buy one of these with the Golf R available, there does not seem to be that much in it price wise, it is a VAG 2.0 Turbo Petrol but makes less power and does without 4wd ?

30 grand for a Seat ? can you get them cheaper than that, the Focus ST doesn't give that much away, 30 bhp and allegedly can be had for 18 grand or so.
Exclusivity for a start! Probably less likely to get stolen, but mostly price. Think you can get it for 23/24k through brokers.
Ah, that makes more sense, it is a nice car, with plenty of power, and I personally dont care about the VW badge on the Golf, but the few extra bhp and extra two driven wheels would count, but if it is significantly cheaper then it is more on a par, though I do wait to find the Focus ST for 18 or so grand as has been mentioned, that would be a good value hot hatch.

tomic

720 posts

145 months

Wednesday 5th November 2014
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I have a recurring nightmare. I've got carried away in a dealership and spunked £23/24K on a car like this - or even worse £30K on a Golf. If the dream is really bad, I've entered into a long finance agreement...

Greggyboy

61 posts

128 months

Wednesday 5th November 2014
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Cheapest I can find a facelift focus st-1 with no options is 19k. Cheapest I can find a base cupra 280 is 4.5k more.

mikey k

13,011 posts

216 months

Wednesday 5th November 2014
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I like that saw a green FR on the road the other day and thought it looked good
Might look at one for wifey wink

Clivey

5,110 posts

204 months

Wednesday 5th November 2014
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tomic said:
I have a recurring nightmare. I've got carried away in a dealership and spunked £23/24K on a car like this - or even worse £30K on a Golf. If the dream is really bad, I've entered into a long finance agreement...
Seen what you can spend on a TT? rofl