RE: Nissan GT-R ... design classic? PH Blog

RE: Nissan GT-R ... design classic? PH Blog

Thursday 13th November 2014

Nissan GT-R ... design classic?

Is Godzilla a style icon? Dan argues a case for the GT-R to be lauded for more than raw power



So much is discussed about the Nissan GT-R’s nerdish obsession technology and outrageous performance I think it’s a shame its design isn’t talked about more. Because, for my money, Nissan has quietly nurtured a style and visual language for the GT-R as strong and long-lasting as those who trade more overtly on such things. I’m thinking specifically here of the Aston Martin V8 Vantage and Porsche 911, both of which could be considered rivals in terms of target audience, price and performance, if perhaps not mindset.

Stuck in the same groove for 50 years...
Stuck in the same groove for 50 years...
I remember an eye-opening drive with former Aston Martin boss Ulrich Bez in a V12 Vantage S on the launch event, him banging his fist on the hub of the steering wheel as he hammered home the point he thought Aston had created a design template as strong as the 911’s in the Vantage. And there was no reason why it shouldn’t last 50 years, just like the Porsche.

Strong stuff, the more so given the conversation was conducted at around 140mph and underscored by thunderous V12 echoing off desert rock somewhere in the Californian desert. But then Bez played a big part in the development of the 993 in his time at Porsche and there’s an argument for that being the perfect intersection of tradition and modernity in the 911’s evolutionary cycle.

If it ain't broke and all that
If it ain't broke and all that
The GT-R doesn’t have the luxury of a half century of aesthetic tweaking or the instinctive, timeless style of an Aston Martin Vantage. But it does have a formidable heritage, more recently rooted in both motorsport and, of course, video games. And Nissan has been very smart about integrating both of those into an unmistakable visual style. A GT-R is a GT-R from any angle but perhaps its strongest visual signature is that rear view, the circular lights glowing like afterburners and gaping, cartoonish exhausts. Guess what – that’s the image we all grew up with in pixellated form on our PlayStations.

One can only go so far pontificating on design before enlisting professional help though. So I phoned a friend and PHer who works in the business for his views on the GT-R. “I love it! Rarely is an aesthetic so well matched to the actual character and performance of the car,” he said. “It looks aggressive, fast, solid, stable, purposeful. To me it actually looks four-wheel drive and a bit heavy as well, which all parts of its charisma. Successful also, as it is not bland, yet has aged very well – tough to manage. They have done very little to it aesthetically since 2007 or so, and yet it still looks fresh.”

Mistake it for something else? Unlikely
Mistake it for something else? Unlikely
He makes the interesting point that it was “one of the first blue-collar Japanese cars to move upmarket and create a look not linked to more humble models, whereas the R34 still felt like it had a chunk of its DNA shared with a Nissan family car.” The interior, however, he rates as “pretty dire” for a car of its price range and if you got out of a 991 and into the GT-R you’d probably be nodding in agreement.

Constant evolution is all part of the GT-R story and we hear rumours of future developments up to and including hybrid powertrains. It might seem wishy-washy in comparison to all the technology but without firm aesthetic foundations it’d all be to little gain. And the GT-R’s most overlooked strength is worth celebrating.

Dan

   
   

 

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tomellingham

Original Poster:

71 posts

165 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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I love the rear, especially the biggest exhaust pipes you can imagine without every looking stupid. The car as a whole has presence though, but IIRC it very very wide.

Agoogy

7,274 posts

248 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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The front end is an ugly mess IMO and the interior one of the worst in any class of car, but the rest as said is heavyweight design, unmistakable, pursposeful, thoughtful and well judged.

It's not beautiful, but then good car design doesn't have to be, the GTR doesn't rely on image and looks to sell and get respect....like an Aston for example....there is more than one way to get yourself noticed and admired.

TommoAE86

2,667 posts

127 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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It's the rear lights that get me, I love every iteration of the Skyline (inc the GT-R) because of that feature. I like how they've only been massaged in terms of upgrading but are still true to their roots. I am of the Playstation generation, having not seen a Skyline until I played Gran Turismo on the PSX. In fact I like them so much I've just bought a R33, it's just a shame I don't get to see them when driving biggrin

Ekona

1,653 posts

202 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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I think a GTR of any era is a classic in spite of the looks, not because of it.

PZR

627 posts

185 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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Pistonheads said:
The GT-R doesn’t have the luxury of a half century of aesthetic tweaking or the instinctive, timeless style of an Aston Martin Vantage. But it does have a formidable heritage, more recently rooted in both motorsport and, of course, video games.
Nissan's designers and stylists did take care to reference visual cues and 'signature' styling from previous generations of GT-R when they were working on what became the R35.

The tip o' the hat references to the C10-series 'Box' Skyline shape - where the 'GT-R' marque started, and in particular the KPGC10 of February 1970 - are clear to see if you know what you should be looking for. If you grew up with the GT-R you'd probably see them without having to look for them...

gregf40

1,114 posts

116 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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Agoogy said:
The front end is an ugly mess IMO and the interior one of the worst in any class of car
Really? The interior is absolutely fine - I actually think it's a nice place to be! It's also extremely well put together and has fewer rattles than Porches's and Ferrari's I have owned over the years!


vxr8mate

1,655 posts

189 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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gregf40 said:
Agoogy said:
The front end is an ugly mess IMO and the interior one of the worst in any class of car
Really? The interior is absolutely fine - I actually think it's a nice place to be! It's also extremely well put together and has fewer rattles than Porches's and Ferrari's I have owned over the years!

I have to agree, that is an awful interior.

Just look at the Ford Sierra switches yuck

323ti

128 posts

121 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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Like Arnold Schwarzenegger said to the first Predator; "You are one UGLY motherfcensored...!!!"

But every time I see one (a GT-R, not a Predator), I'm thinking; NICE!!!
It just looks mean and hard. Those Predators would probably all have one.




Neil_M

694 posts

184 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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I personally don't think its a design classic.

I feel it doesn't bring enough to the table to be a classic from its design point of view. A technology point of view is a different matter. I find the design very subtle, too subtle and lacking in aspects that moves the game on.

The 911 IMO brings an iconic design shape to the table. A shape that has persisted for many years, it's a testament to the original design, that (admittedly) with many tweaks it still looks good.

Countersteer

146 posts

137 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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A design classic or a cult classic? I'd say a cult classic. If there was a design classic within its bloodline then I'd give the R32 the nod - not this one...

BIRMA

3,808 posts

194 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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I always loved the engineering and performance of this car but the reason I didn't buy one it's really ugly and looks like a badly designed American Muscle car.

V8 FOU

2,974 posts

147 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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Sorry but coming from a man who drives an MX5......

But not even redeemed by your dress sense either, Dan!

But both are big heavy and powerful ... or summat.

unpc

2,835 posts

213 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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gregf40 said:
Really? The interior is absolutely fine - I actually think it's a nice place to be! It's also extremely well put together and has fewer rattles than Porches's and Ferrari's I have owned over the years!

I usually don't really care about interiors as long as they work well and are functional but that is a mess stylistically. Jap stuff is usually pretty well put together though unlike a lot of German stuff which often is perceived to be quality.

daytona365

1,773 posts

164 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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That it can still be raved over as a modern performance classic despite it's pig ugly looks surely tells us just how good this car really is ?

Henry Fiddleton

1,581 posts

177 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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Aesthetically - No way.
Technically - Absolutely, yes.


crostonian

2,427 posts

172 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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I like it, it's brutal and purposeful and could only be Japanese. Fabulous presence and some cool details, apart from the NSX and previous Skylines the only Japanese car that has any appeal for me.

J4CKO

41,562 posts

200 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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For years and years the Japanese were accused of copying other peoples designs, I cant see a hint of anything else with the GTR, Porsche are so stuck in their ways they stick the same nose on their SUV and their saloon gets a 911 front as well as the back, not particularly pretty are they really, old 911s I love like the rest but they do look like a surprised Frog at the front, now look like the same thing but melted.

Astons are beautiful, but, like Porsche they seem to have hit on a shape and then just knocked out variations on a theme for years, I cant tell my Vanquishes from my Vantages, some look a bit meaner than others. but other than that, its er, an Aston.

The GTR is no beauty, that is true, but it is striking, purposeful and different. I think the current GTR is a much more successful shape than the R34 and R33, I do have a soft spot for the R32 though.

Nobbles

585 posts

260 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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In fact the concept version was revealed in 2001, slightly more feminin than the production version so 14 years is pretty good and it doesn't seem to have aged. It's one on its own. Not my cup of tea, a bit too much attitude, but full respect.

wilwak

759 posts

170 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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I have a 2013 GTR in white. I love the looks and the interior is absolutely fine in red and black leather.

The only issues I have are with the harsh ride. ;-)

Super car.

EskimoArapaho

5,135 posts

135 months

Thursday 13th November 2014
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It's never going to win a beauty contest, and that's the beauty of it. It's a beast, and it's right that it gives off that vibe.

None of the GT-Rs have been designed to attractive, just purposeful. I had an R33, but prefer the R32 as the best of the lot.