Rear wheel bearing replacement

Rear wheel bearing replacement

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Wedg1e

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Monday 17th November 2014
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For those who've never done it, this may go some way to de-frightening the task... and for those who have, feel free to chip in with suggestions and horror stories biggrin

You will need one new wheel bearing and one hub carrier biggrin
Tarting-up the carrier isn’t essential but adds to the sense of satisfaction.



First make sure the bore of the carrier is undamaged (no dents, score marks etc.) and free from rust and that the circlip groove is similarly sound, with no debris stuck in it. The bore should also be free from grease or oil that might allow the bearing to spin in it.



Ensure the outer surface of the bearing is dry and insert it squarely into the bore…



whereupon you should find it will slip easily a good way in. The outer few millimeters of the bore are slightly larger than the bearing which allows it to be square before you try and press it in.



You can use a big bench vice to drive the bearing in, but I’d modified my simple bench press with a couple of lengths of box section (I originally built it as a bike spring compressor):



and it was a simple matter to position the hub carrier and bearing within it:



Jacking-up the carrier pushes the bearing into the bore…



…until the carrier ‘bottoms’ on the top box-section.



What you then need is a packing piece or spacer to get the bearing the rest of the way in; the ideal instrument is another bearing of the same diameter – or at least the outer race from an old one (I kept this one for such jobs):



Position the spacer/ bearing shell exactly on the outer rim of the new bearing and apply more force…



until the bearing is firmly against the locating ridge inside the carrier bore.



The old bearing shell lifts straight out…



and the bearing will be seen to be sat flush with the inner edge of the circlip groove:



...and hard up against the locating ridge (as viewed from the other side of the hub carrier):



At this point you will need a circlip, preferably a new one but if the old one is in good shape (literally), not corroded or deformed it should be OK for re-use…



Install the circlip to the groove using the appropriate tool (needle-nosed pliers can be used to good effect on circlips this big).



I find it’s a good idea to tap the circlip around in its groove to make sure it’s seated properly; if it moves from side to side rather than just circumferentially then it’s too small or has been distorted out of shape during fitting:



Next up are the oil seals, inner and outer. This is where the usual Ford wheel bearing kit falls over because on the Granada the inboard and outboard seals were different, whereas TVR used the same type for inner and outer. The one you DON’T need looks like this:



The oil seals have to be a good press fit right from entering the bore so you don’t get much of a lead-in to help get them square. They’re also made from very thin pressed metal that will deform easily so care is needed when installing them.



The ideal installation technique is to press the seal in using the old bearing outer shell again:



Lacking an old bearing shell you can use a small hammer and drift around the outer edge of the seal but you do have to watch for the seal entering the bore unevenly or being deformed by the impacts. Also be aware of slipping and damaging the inner lip of the rubber seal as this is the bit that does most of the work!

Aim to initially get the outer face of the seal flush with the surface of the hub carrier all the way around:



and then turn the hub carrier over so you can install the other seal in the same fashion.




The reason I said to initially install the seals flush with the hub carrier faces is that when the driveshaft and hub are installed to the bearing, the inner lips of the oil seals have to seal around the outer faces of shaft and hub.
In service the parts are subjected to water spray and road dirt etc. which leads to surface pitting and wear of the machined surfaces. Ideally you want to position the seals to act on the smoothest area of metal you can find, without the seals’ outer faces being in contact with the rotating parts.
You can see the pitting in this close-up; the thin black line is where the old seal made contact:



What I did was to measure the distance from the bearing’s inner race (where the driveshaft makes contact with it) to the seal’s inner lip (which was about 15mm) and then measure the contact area on the shaft stub to determine whereabouts I wanted the seal lip to 'sit'… not that I had much choice as you can see.





Then I used the spare bearing shell and a hammer to tap the seal in by a few millimetres so that the lip would be in about the right place…





This was repeated for the other seal and the driveshaft installed to check for fit and clearance:



And that’s about all there is to it! As you can see I’d already packed the bearing with grease; the stub splines and thread have been cleaned in readiness for reassembly once back on the car.


Edited by Wedg1e on Monday 17th November 03:08

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

132 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Wedg1e said:
Do you not have a bigger hammer? wink

mrzigazaga

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165 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Hi Ian...Thanks for the lesson in how to....Yet another reason to be crowned "Wedge personality".....smile You might as well face it mate...Its gonna happen one year.....biggrin

GV

2,366 posts

224 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Excellent Piece Ian - as always you're info is spot on and informative.

TA14

12,722 posts

258 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Great article Ian but 3:08!! Don't you ever sleep?

Wedg1e

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265 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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TA14 said:
Great article Ian but 3:08!! Don't you ever sleep?
It took longer to string that post together than it did to do the job...

adam quantrill

11,538 posts

242 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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>> Lacking an old bearing shell <<

Like the one you just took out? ;^)

I have an old one turned down by a few thou so it definitely does lift out after you use it for pressing in.

Nice article - someone should link it to the FAQ - go on, you can do it!!! ;^)

Wedg1e

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Monday 17th November 2014
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adam quantrill said:
>> Lacking an old bearing shell <<

Like the one you just took out? ;^)
I have seen them split in two by the time they've come out biggrin

I have another old one (twin to the one in the pics) that has lots of weld built-up inside it; that was the only way I could persuade it to part company with the alloy carrier (it was on my Tasmin).

Edit for typo rolleyes


Edited by Wedg1e on Monday 17th November 23:19

Wedg1e

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Monday 17th November 2014
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RCK974X said:
Nice, BUT mine doesn't look remotely like that - I have the aluminium moulding with 4 bolts....

Is that (the ally one) supposed to be the really tough one to do ?
Asking as mine came out fairly easily, and I didn't need a big press, just some very careful hammer work....
Pretty well the same principle though; the difficulty can be in getting the hub carrier off the rest of the suspension! The 4 bolts retain the carrier to the trailing arm and they're not usually a problem, it's the long bolt through the tie-rod and shock lower eye that tend to give trouble.

One technique I have seen to remove stubborn bearings from alloy hub carrier castings (might have been on a Jag) was to put the whole thing with the bearing still in-situ, into a hot oven for an hour.
Then whip it out and drop a bag of ice into the centre of the bearing (usually by that time the bearing has had its inner races and balls knocked out anyway!). The thermal shock can cause the bearing shell to either crack or shrink just enough to allow it to be tapped out.
As I said in the earlier post, one technique I've used was to knock the inner races and balls out, then build-up two ridges of weld around the central ridge of the outer shell (on which the balls ride)... this presents you with a large surface area to impact with a drift and reduces the risk of scoring the bore wall whilst trying to hit the bearing's outer perimeter.
Incidentally that's what the two half-moon shaped cutouts are for in the bore: they allow you to apply a drift to a small area of the outer shell. Unfortunately it may not be enough in itself and that's when you have to get creative smashsmile

Press or hammer, either works: the press tends to be less liable to cause damage if anything slips but needs more setup and initial investment, I guess. I've used a big vice in the past as another alternative.


Wedg1e

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Monday 17th November 2014
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adam quantrill said:
Nice article - someone should link it to the FAQ - go on, you can do it!!! ;^)
whistle

rev-erend

21,413 posts

284 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Nice one Ian, sounds like it should go on the tvrwedgepages.

Wedg1e

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Wednesday 19th November 2014
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rev-erend said:
Nice one Ian, sounds like it should go on the tvrwedgepages.
I thought that site had died a death some time back?

KKson

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125 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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Well I have a small issue regarding my recently (by the local garage) replaced wheel bearing. I'd ordered a new bearing and seals from RT and my local garage charged the princely sum of £40 (1 hour) to remove the hub, press out the old bearing, fit the new one with supplied seals and put it all back together. I had given them a copy of the Wedge bible relating to the rear wheel bearing change so they had that for reference. The day after the new bearing was fitted however I noticed a light metallic squeaking noise at low speeds definitely coming from that that wheel area. The noise lasted for about 5 miles then disappeared. It's been fine for 2 weeks but yesterday it was back. Still not very loud but a definite metal squeak, almost like a tight bearing or something metallic catching. I've lifted the wheel and rotated it but there's nothing obvious catching. The car is back in to the garage Thursday so they can investigate but any clues? I have read that as bearings can be marginally different in size then the packings from brake disc to drive shaft might need adjusting to stop lateral pressure on the shaft and hub. Not sure if this is true? After I got home yesterday with "squeak" I checked the hub temperature but it was cold so whatever it is it's not excessive, just bloody annoying not knowing what it is!

Any helpful suggestions which I can throw at the garage would be appreciated. Thanks.

bradderztvr

364 posts

147 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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adam quantrill said:
>> Lacking an old bearing shell <<

Like the one you just took out? ;^)

I have an old one turned down by a few thou so it definitely does lift out after you use it for pressing in.

Nice article - someone should link it to the FAQ - go on, you can do it!!! ;^)
The easiest way if you have an old shell is to cut a slit right through one side with a grinder, which makes it relax and a little smaller in diameter and then won't get stuck when used to tap/ press the new one in.

bradderztvr

364 posts

147 months

Tuesday 5th May 2015
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KKson said:
Well I have a small issue regarding my recently (by the local garage) replaced wheel bearing. I'd ordered a new bearing and seals from RT and my local garage charged the princely sum of £40 (1 hour) to remove the hub, press out the old bearing, fit the new one with supplied seals and put it all back together. I had given them a copy of the Wedge bible relating to the rear wheel bearing change so they had that for reference. The day after the new bearing was fitted however I noticed a light metallic squeaking noise at low speeds definitely coming from that that wheel area. The noise lasted for about 5 miles then disappeared. It's been fine for 2 weeks but yesterday it was back. Still not very loud but a definite metal squeak, almost like a tight bearing or something metallic catching. I've lifted the wheel and rotated it but there's nothing obvious catching. The car is back in to the garage Thursday so they can investigate but any clues? I have read that as bearings can be marginally different in size then the packings from brake disc to drive shaft might need adjusting to stop lateral pressure on the shaft and hub. Not sure if this is true? After I got home yesterday with "squeak" I checked the hub temperature but it was cold so whatever it is it's not excessive, just bloody annoying not knowing what it is!

Any helpful suggestions which I can throw at the garage would be appreciated. Thanks.
Keith, is it something as simple as grit or similar in the pads, or is it definitely from the hub. Could try jacking up rear and spin the wheels in gear carefully to listern more closely ? Chock the front wheels just in case !!

Wedg1e

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Tuesday 5th May 2015
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KKson said:
I have read that as bearings can be marginally different in size then the packings from brake disc to drive shaft might need adjusting to stop lateral pressure on the shaft and hub. Not sure if this is true?
The shims between disc and driveshaft set the wheel camber so adding or taking away from the stack will change the wheels' 'tilt'.

Could the squeak be down to drag from the rear brake pads?

KKson

3,403 posts

125 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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Well garage couldn't replicate the nasty noise on the ramps with the wheels spinning so they removed the hub again, packed the bearing with grease again, greased all UJ's (again) and put it all back with a new nyloc hub nut purchased from Mr Tank. No charge and more importantly no nasty noises. Would have liked to know what it was though.....

Number 7

4,103 posts

262 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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I've had dry ujs cause squeaking when rotating before. Greasing them may have been the cure for you.

mrzigazaga

18,555 posts

165 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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Wedg1e said:
TVR used the same type for inner and outer. The one you DON’T need looks like this:

RT sent me four of those when i was buying them for the 280i...Still have them somewhere..Bout as useful as a fart in a spacesuit!!..

This is what we need..A new testament...This is the kind of informative posts that are worth their weight in gold....Or beer...

Thanks Ian....beer