RE: BMW M3 (E30): PH Carpool

RE: BMW M3 (E30): PH Carpool

Monday 17th November 2014

BMW M3 (E30): PH Carpool

For a man with a thing for old BMWs an E30 M3 was a long-held dream, one he's now living



Name: Mark Brown
Car: BMW M3 (E30)
Owned since: "Placed a deposit September 2013 and finally collected from Ireland in May 2014."
Previously owned: "Pretty much every model of BMW from the 70s and 80s, except the M1. WI currently own a 1971 BMW 2002 and a 1982 BMW 316, with 2.8 conversion, independent throttle bodies, etc."

M3 a welcome addition to a BMW mad household
M3 a welcome addition to a BMW mad household
Why I bought it:
"I bought the M3 as it's a car I lusted after in its heyday. I remember seeing the footage of Patrick Snijers on the Manx and hearing the sound that engine made. Even before I was able to appreciate the mechanical stuff, who didn't lust after those boxed arches? I saw one leaving Silverstone and it was obvious that it was built to do one thing. Go fast!

"I used to dream about having my own caged and track focused E30 M3, and worked my way up through the various lesser models. When I spotted this car it was actually for sale in Ireland and the list of modifications matched what I would have done myself. I'd been fortunate enough to make a little money selling another M3 to Chris Harris, but it was when the seller agreed to give me time to raise the rest that I knew it would be mine. I actually owe it to my partner Claire, as she was the one who made it possible. She has her own BMW 2002 though, so kind of knows why it meant so much to me. Her son James, also runs an E30 318is I sourced so it's a family thing I guess!"

Group A spec mods on the wishlist
Group A spec mods on the wishlist
What I wish I'd known:
"I have heard the odd comment from people who said they simply didn't get the E30 M3 and my first drive of one was also a bit disappointing. It wasn't the car that was the problem though, it was my driving style. You need to really take the M3 by the scruff of the neck. It's like a quick Mk2 Escort in that respect."

Things I love:
"When I finally drove home from Ireland in my very own M3 it was everything I'd hoped it would be, and then some. The sound from the DTM air box is pretty addictive and every word written about the M3's handling is true. You wring its neck, get it moving underneath you, then it just comes alive. It looks like it shouldn't be quick, with oversteer galore, but it just is. It all feels so intuitive.

"I think that's why people love rear-wheel drive cars of this era. They're just so entertaining to watch and, combined with that noise, it's just an awesome combination. I feel like a kid when I drive the M3 and it's just so much fun. I love the reaction when kids see it too and hearing their dads tell them what it is. Corny as it sounds cars like these need to be seen and heard, not stuck away in the garage as an investment. We owe it to the next generations of petrolheads (sorry, PHers!) to let them see what these cars are about. They need to be inspired into wanting their own some day!"

Compomotive wheels for period look
Compomotive wheels for period look
Things I hate:
"The worst thing about owning an E30 M3 is the money thing. It's either the cost of the parts, or the fact that the value is the next question after 'is it real?' I have been known to say it's a 316 with a bodykit. Don't get me wrong, I know I'm very fortunate to own a car that is getting more valuable each month. That said, if it was only worth a couple of thousand pounds, it would still be the car I love owning and driving. The value simply doesn't come into it. I did a track day at Llandow a couple of months back and some folk said I was mad. I was using it for the exact thing it was designed and built for though! Putting it in a heated garage and looking at it on Sundays would actually be the mad thing to do with it.

"The only thing I would change about my M3 is I'd like the engine built to Group A spec. It currently has about 230-240hp which is plenty fun enough but 300+ would be better. I'm saving for Schrick cams and a four-branch exhaust manifold but modifying an S14 ain't cheap! I guess that's why some folk fit the later six-pot instead? Personally I think that robs the M3 of its soul though. The M3 was designed to have a screamer under the bonnet and it's that which gives it its unique character. 8,000rpm and a carbon airbox give a sound I'll simply never tire of. You have to work the S14 to get the best from it and the M3's chassis is the same."

'M3 tax' on parts prices only real bugbear
'M3 tax' on parts prices only real bugbear
Costs:
"As well as decent roads I also have both Rally Prep and Avers Racing on my door step, so there's no shortage of expertise to help keep my M3 in top form. There are also specialists like C3, who own and drive M3s and are happy to offer advice when it's needed. In fact, there are more than a few E30 M3 owners here in Cornwall. I guess that's why Chris Harris brought his down here for conversion to a full rally weapon

"I have changed the wheels. They're Compomotive THs and they made them specifically for the M3. It had BBS splits when I bought it, but they've been done to death and I wanted something competition inspired. It runs 235/40 front and 245/40 rear tyres, thanks to the arches being modified by Hamann Motorsport. They bought the car new and it was their development car. It was also on their stand at the Munich Motor Show in 1990 and 1991."

Mark very much believes in using as intended
Mark very much believes in using as intended
Where I've been:
"I'm fortunate living in Cornwall - we are blessed with some great roads. Cape Cornwall and the drive from Hayle to Lands End is absolutely awesome. Especially just after sunrise in the summer when the the S14 has no other ambient sound to compete with. Sometimes I just can't believe how a humble E30 can just defy physics and corner the way it does. Added to which the performance is just so accessible and you don't need to be doing warp speed to enjoy it. The one thing I do miss down here though is tunnels. Who doesn't like giving it the beans in a tunnel?"

What next?
"This year should see me finish my E21 resto-mod project, which will become my daily driver, but I won't be selling the M3. It's taken way too long to get the one I wanted and I simply couldn't think of anything I'd want more. It's not a coincidence that the market for these cars is so strong and that demand far outweighs supply. Next year I plan to do some speed events like Crystal Palace. I may also grow up, but I doubt it. Life is too short by far, so it would be foolish not to follow your dreams."


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The Don of Croy

Original Poster:

5,991 posts

159 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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I think we can file this one under 'enthusiast'.

And then some.

Great that he uses it properly. (Actually I'm jealous as hell and would like to try one.)

benjj

6,787 posts

163 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Great article, well done Mark.

I think I'm going to have to get involved in this E30 malarkey.

Blayney

2,948 posts

186 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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More about the two 2002 please!!

stevesingo

4,854 posts

222 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Mark said:
I did a track day at Llandow a couple of months back and some folk said I was mad. I was using it for the exact thing it was designed and built for though! Putting it in a heated garage and looking at it on Sundays would actually be the mad thing to do with it.
You are quite right. I did a BMWCCGB Track day on Friday with my Sport Evo. Some said I was nuts, some said it was good to see it being used for what it was intended.

RE 300HP, that could be expensive! I have 275hp ish and that was expensive enough, even starting from a 2.5 litre engine. High compression pistons (12:1), ported head, 292/284 cams, evo valve springs, Arrow shim under buckets should get you 275ish. The step to 300should include further upgraded valve train from Schrick (£££). 4-1 mainfolds do help peak power, but at the expense of low end torque and probably not worth it (£1000) unless you are planning a 8000rpm plus rev limit.

Oh and at 275hp, the trak prepped E46 M3s and road E92 M3s dont get away on the straights!

theholygrail

261 posts

168 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Great write up about a great looking car. Never driven one of these but after reading that would love to. I remember one of these being comprehensively beaten around a track by the previous Fiesta ST on 5th Gear, driven by Tiff, which left me (and the presenters) rather lost for words! On the other hand I was "in convoy" with one not long ago on an A road, in my Griffith, and it had no trouble at all keeping up, so I can only assume the Fiesta is a little bit nifty!

This article also makes me jealous of people who live in places like Cornwall or Wales!

Fastchas

2,643 posts

121 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Number 1 purchase in my £100k dream garage. In Black.

daytona365

1,773 posts

164 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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http://youtu.be/wwkDODWIb_o The definitive M3 video for the non believers !

rob.e

2,861 posts

278 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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That's lovely. Good to see it being used too..

soad

32,880 posts

176 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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daytona365 said:
http://youtu.be/wwkDODWIb_o The definitive M3 video for the non believers !
Madman Patrick Snijers pushes his BMW E30 M3 to the absolute limit during the Manx International Rally of 1988! biggrin


TheJimi

24,947 posts

243 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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That's pornographic.

Superb carpool too, a real dyed-in-the-wool enthusiast yes

e21Mark

16,205 posts

173 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Blayney said:
More about the two 2002 please!!




This is my usual daily (till the e21 is finished anyway)



E21 has M52/2.8 with Cat Cams and Jenvey ITB, running DTA management.



Evidently other manufacturers are available. wink

http://www.bmwe21.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&amp...



Edited by e21Mark on Monday 17th November 11:20

K50 DEL

9,236 posts

228 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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TheJimi said:
Superb carpool too, a real dyed-in-the-wool enthusiast yes
Agreed, and whilst it's great to see someone using a car like this properly, I think personally that I'd stop short of modifying it.
The E30 M3 is revered for good reason, I think modifying it might take some of that away and would certainly affect the resale value (Were I to be in the market for one I would automatically discount any modified cars for sale and I suspect many other would too)

e21Mark

16,205 posts

173 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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K50 DEL said:
TheJimi said:
Superb carpool too, a real dyed-in-the-wool enthusiast yes
Agreed, and whilst it's great to see someone using a car like this properly, I think personally that I'd stop short of modifying it.
The E30 M3 is revered for good reason, I think modifying it might take some of that away and would certainly affect the resale value (Were I to be in the market for one I would automatically discount any modified cars for sale and I suspect many other would too)
I know what you're saying but, apart from the fact my car was modified from new by the original owners (Hamann Motorsport), all the mods could be reversed. Resale value is of little consequence, as I could pull it apart and sell the separate components for considerably more, than the car owes me. (I never would though!) More than that though, it was a modified M3 that I always wanted. The cage, the seats, the harnesses, the sense of theatre when I fire the thing up. The whole thing is a dream come true for me. I have know doubt that all sounds a bit corny, but my M3 (that's MY M3! smile ) is every bit the other guys F40, Bugatti EB110, Noble or whatever. If I park it somewhere, I also look back at the thing for that last glimpse. wink



WFL

64 posts

129 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Stunning motor, seen a few of these on air ride, that's one modification I don't agree with on E30s...

I think it's great to see one being tuned and used as intended, not locked away in a temp controlled garage with a one way ticket to '4 Star Classics'.

Kawasicki

13,077 posts

235 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Fantastic cars, I'd love one, though I think the 318is is about 99% as much fun for 10% the cost.

J4CKO

41,471 posts

200 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Lovely.

However, they are rather expensive these days, I had a 944 S2, mine was a cab so a bit wobblier and heavier but how close does an S2 get to an E30 in terms of enjoyment/capability ? have driven E30's but never an M3, back in 1990 the 944 was in the same price range, offered similar power, fairly well regarded handling and had the steering wheel on the correct side.

I know it isn't an M car or anything like as rare but how close are they if just judged on their relative merits ?




garypotter

1,495 posts

150 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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What a cracker of a car, the original and best M car before BMW diluted the m badging

Arun_D

2,302 posts

195 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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For me, this was THE car of the recent Sunday Service at Mercedes-Benz World. If nothing else because he left at silly o'clock from Cornwall to attend!! Gorgeous car, clearly with a real enthusiast owner.

davidsc

325 posts

152 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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I'll keep an eye out for you if you're wandering round the St Just coast roads!

Good read!

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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I have always loved the E30 M3 and it's great to see one being used as intended rather than sat in a collection gathering dust.