RE: Range Rover off-roading in California

RE: Range Rover off-roading in California

Wednesday 26th November 2014

California by Range Rover

An hour from LA, Hungry Valley state park is the place to test your 4x4 mettle



The name 'State Vehicular Recreation Area' makes Hungry Valley state park sound awfully dull and a little too regulated. You will be pleased to know that instead it's a 19,000-acre 4x4 playground where you pay five dollars and spend the day off-roading 'til you can off-road no more. It's marvellous.

Do what she says in situations like this
Do what she says in situations like this
A bit of background on Hungry Valley first. Originally home to the Tataviam tribe of Native Americans, it was later used as a homestead location to encourage migration to the west coast. But the valley is a barren place, not really suited to developing settlements. Hence what was Honey Valley became known as Hungry Valley. The homesteads were wiped out by drought in the 30s and in the following decades the valley was known for lawlessness of every kind; the vast, ungoverned, unmanaged space was infamous for drugs, guns, gangs and nearly everything else imaginable. California State Parks began buying up the land in 1978 and Hungry Valley was classified as a State Vehicular Recreation Area (we'll use SVRA from now on) in 1980.

Tackling Hungry Valley solo would be rather daunting as a first off-road experience. Yes, the trails are marked out and graded, plus there are park wardens and a central Tarmac road. Still, the size and complexity of the park is overwhelming at first. Even with a Hungry Valley expert alongside we still managed to lose ourselves on occasion.

Range Rover Sport in actual off-roading shocker
Range Rover Sport in actual off-roading shocker
Said expert is Daphne Greene, a fountain of knowledge on both the park and off-roading. She's the woman you see in the lead image navigating me up what appeared an insurmountable ridge. As guides for learning the off-road craft I couldn't have asked for anyone better. Not only was she the first woman to compete in the Camel Trophy back in the 90s, she's also a coach on Land Rover USA's off-road experiences. Oh, and she was Deputy Director of the Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Division under Schwarzenegger for seven years. She knows Hungry Valley like no one else. She's an exceptionally talented off-roadist. You also get the impression she doesn't take any, er, rubbish from anyone.

First mistake? Keeping hands fixed on the wheel. D'oh. In contrast to circuit driving where crossing arms is OK, Daphne says it's a no-no when off-road. Firstly, you don't want to go through a pothole or similar with arms overextended and often the tiniest steering inputs are required to keep you on course; this is obviously far easier to do with your hands always at 10 and two. So there is much wheel shuffling as we go through the first trail.

About those small adjustments...
About those small adjustments...
Left-foot braking is also really beneficial in the dirt. Not only do you get on the brakes quicker it allows to keep the revs up but the car stable if you're climbing. Without a conventional handbrake the middle pedal is being pressed a lot when perched somewhere on a trail. Usually quite hard actually.

We were using a Range Rover Sport for the day in Hungry Valley. The Sport has become known recently of course for its on-road (and track) exploits but is still superbly capable off the highway. Interestingly we were in the V6 petrol car not sold in the UK; it's the same 340hp 3.0-litre supercharged engine used in the F-Type so the sound is initially surprising when you expect a rumbly V8 diesel. Of course its peak torque of 332lb ft is considerably down on the 461lb ft of the 5.0 V8 and the 516lb ft of the V8 diesel also but never did the SCV6 feel overawed by Hungry Valley's myriad challenges.

With California suffering from a severe drought currently the trails are even dustier than usual. The Sport's Terrain Response does a terrific job of adapting the 4x4 tech to the conditions as we go from sandy paths to rockier climbs. The separate rock climb mode makes you feel like a real pro, locking the Range Rover into low range and raising the air suspension to its highest. Of course the Sport has its reputation as an urban princess but there's certainly no doubting its off-road ability. What it managed to achieve on road Michelins was incredible, especially given the oaf driving it.

The face of a man with a clenched bottom
The face of a man with a clenched bottom
We can't have covered much more than about 20 per cent of Hungry Valley's routes during the day but it was an absolute blast. I'd previously been a little dismissive of off-roading actually; it's going to sound hackneyed to those of you who regularly do it but I was sceptical as to how exciting or challenging driving around in dirt so slowly could be. Of course I was wrong. Hugely wrong. The same thing we love about driving on track, racing or driving quickly on road are there in abundance. It requires real precision and accuracy, awareness, feel for the car's behaviour, conservation of tyres and a bit of bravery sometimes too. That same feeling of elation when you achieve something you thought impossible is certainly still there too. It's simply brilliant fun.

Finally, for anyone convinced that the Range Rover Sport is just a footballer's plaything, you really must try one. On the road, in town and lost somewhere in an SVRA it was tremendous. Huge thanks to Daphne for showing how it really should be done as well. She reckons Oceana Dunes is even better. Return trip in a V8?











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oldtimer2

Original Poster:

728 posts

133 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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Better late than never to discover the joys of off road driving. I do not do much but it has always been fun. The RR Sport won the Offroader of the year award from the US 4 Wheel Drive magazine last year (I think I`ve got the name right but possibly not).

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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People don't realise how good these are at off roading because they can't get past the looks.

richs2891

897 posts

253 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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The looks are an issue, as is the price and the reliability problems (hopefully of the past now).
I would really like to try one with a decent set of tyres (non road biased ones as most I've seen have fitted) at the local pay and play site to see how good they really are in the mud etc.

I do wonder how they will age with all the electronics and if see them at above pay and play sites in say 10 years time


soi6

121 posts

113 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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main issue for most would be"Why the FK" would i take such a expensive car off road at all ? The possibility of damage that is not going to be covered by insurance is too high .

robm3

4,927 posts

227 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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Hungry Valley is awesome, I taught my 6 year old son to ride trail here last year!






We try to head out with a mate from Burbank at least every two years.

Wouldn't bother with an urban 4x4 though, it's all about the buggies and trail bikes if you want maximum fun!




daytona365

1,773 posts

164 months

Wednesday 26th November 2014
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So this kind of treatment does no damage/extra premature wear to your 60, 70, 80k 'Offroader' then ?

Cotic

469 posts

152 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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daytona365 said:
So this kind of treatment does no damage/extra premature wear to your 60, 70, 80k 'Offroader' then ?
Probably less damage than it would do to a 60, 70, 80k saloon car, I would imagine. They're engineered to cope with these conditions; however if you're particularly precious about your car then you probably shouldn't take it there.

Fleckers

2,860 posts

201 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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I think its great that it can still do the duty it was originally designed to do and is not a softroader

if you can afford a new 100k car then you can afford to fix it if it gets damaged



Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 27th November 2014
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robm3 said:
Hungry Valley is awesome, I taught my 6 year old son to ride trail here last year!






We try to head out with a mate from Burbank at least every two years.

Wouldn't bother with an urban 4x4 though, it's all about the buggies and trail bikes if you want maximum fun!
Fantastic! We saw a couple of small bikes and buggies when we were there and I have to admit they did look even better. I think the point of the story was to prove that RR Sports can do off road very well, I see it as similar to taking a press Porsche or Ferrari on track. It may well exert a little more stress on it but that's kind of what they are designed for and what you would hope some owners would do with them.


Matt

Impasse

15,099 posts

241 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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soi6 said:
main issue for most would be"Why the FK" would i take such a expensive car off road at all ? The possibility of damage that is not going to be covered by insurance is too high .
daytona365 said:
So this kind of treatment does no damage/extra premature wear to your 60, 70, 80k 'Offroader' then ?
The same could be said of taking a shiny Italian sportscar to the 'Ring, but still people do it.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

148 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Impasse said:
soi6 said:
main issue for most would be"Why the FK" would i take such a expensive car off road at all ? The possibility of damage that is not going to be covered by insurance is too high .
daytona365 said:
So this kind of treatment does no damage/extra premature wear to your 60, 70, 80k 'Offroader' then ?
The same could be said of taking a shiny Italian sportscar to the 'Ring, but still people do it.
Was going to say, trackdays increase wear on sports cars (or whatever type of car is used); similar deal - you pays your money, you takes your chance.

jhonn

1,567 posts

149 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Glad that you enjoyed your off-roading experience; nice that you got the chance to do it in sunny California instead of muddy Blighty.
You should consider popping along to a local off-road club and having a look at their competitions like Road-Taxed Vehicle (RTV) trials - there are usually different classs catering from standard 4x4's to more modified stuff and then open classes for buggies and dedicated triallers.
Fantastic fun! - usually non-damaging and one of the cheapest forms of motorsport that you can participate in, certainly with a standard vehicle. And as you found out, the driver's skills (or lack of) can be the biggest factor.

chromeless

13 posts

239 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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I know this is a car people love to hate, but the new RRS I took round a very wet Eastnor last year pretty much confirmed for me that it's a fantastic all rounder and as good off road as nearly anyone could ever want (expensive breakage potential aside).

It was on road tyres too, and didn't seem to care too much about the muddy forest tracks, precipitous drops and muddy water (love the wading sensors).

They are pricey, but very hard to beat at the price too. Great on road, great off road, luxurious, practical. Makes my M3 look terrible value for money as a car, frankly. My "old" one will be replaced with a "new" one asap, though I can't really fault the old one.

One of my most enjoyable drives in the last couple of years was thundering cross (wet, dark, Welsh) country one night on the way to a weekend away - a journey that would be been pretty miserable in my other car despite it's performance credentials. More fun than a near 3 tonne truck ought to be frankly.

robm3

4,927 posts

227 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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Matt Bird said:
Fantastic! We saw a couple of small bikes and buggies when we were there and I have to admit they did look even better. I think the point of the story was to prove that RR Sports can do off road very well, I see it as similar to taking a press Porsche or Ferrari on track. It may well exert a little more stress on it but that's kind of what they are designed for and what you would hope some owners would do with them.


Matt
Oh sorry, I didn't mean the LR product was rubbish (I have three), what I meant was the park is best experienced at 40mph +, launching off jumps, slide outs etc.. And for that the Buggies (Sand Rails), ATV's and Trail Bikes are great. Actually great isn't a good enough word, F*cking Awesome is more appropriate!!!

The whole going slowly up and down steep and rough inclines could be a bit dull when there's the other stuff on offer.

Clivey

5,110 posts

204 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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oldtimer2 said:
Better late than never to discover the joys of off road driving.
+1. More off-road / "proper" 4x4 articles please PH. - If we can accommodate 57 articles about the variations of VAG box, we can surely accommodate this sort of thing.

As for the RRS: They are extremely capable off road...especially when you swap the drug dealer wheels for smaller ones and fit a higher-profile AT or MT tyre. The biggest problem, as other PH'ers have already realised, is the risk of doing expensive damage. The limit is often how much plastic you're prepared to tear off them.



Unfortunately, not enough of the people who buy Range Rovers take them off-road and so the market for things like HD bumpers is non-existent. redface

RichardR

2,892 posts

268 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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richs2891 said:
I do wonder how they will age with all the electronics and if see them at above pay and play sites in say 10 years time
I quite often see 10+ year old Discos with high-lift suspension, knobbly tyres, winches, snorkels, cages etc. and I guess the original owners could never've conceived of them ending up like that! eek

Presumably the current family of LR products should age equally disgracefully, the only issue I guess being the longevity of all the electronic trickery and the impact of its failure, as you've alluded to. scratchchin

A.J.M

7,909 posts

186 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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The RRS doesn't have a large off road market as most people stick bodykits and 22s on them.

The D3/4 platform however has a lot of front and rear bumpers, roof racks, rear ladders, snorkels, rock and tree sliders, "hidden" and non hidden winch mounts, under body protection armour, 2nd fuel tanks and suspension lifts available for it.

There is a decent market now for parts, they can be expensive though. Sliders are £350+ depending on maker for example.

The biggest issue's with them is size, weight and tyre availability.
They are heavy and can't fit down some places that a D90 can get down.
Plus the weight is a bit of a issue in deeper mud.

Due to the brakes on them, the smallest OEM wheel for a D4 is a 19.
The D3 can get 17s, but your own standard tdv6 brakes which i found to be ok, but not great.

You can get 18s on a D4 and Brembo equipped RRS, but they are expensive at £254 each.
You can get 17s on the D3 with V8 discs, ( they are an inch larger than tdv6 discs) but again at a cost.

The D3/4 platform is very popular in the states, Africa and Aus for travel for it's mix of comfort, off road ability (13 inches of articulation from the showroom with Air suspension models ) size for storage and general reliability.
Yes, you can get issues but most can be avoided by addressing them when they arise instead of ignoring them till it fails. That approach has worked for me for the last 33k and my D3 is no stranger to getting used off road.