RE: 450hp Volvo S60 Drive-E Concept: Driven

RE: 450hp Volvo S60 Drive-E Concept: Driven

Friday 5th December 2014

450hp Volvo S60 Drive-E Concept: Driven

Looks like a minicab, goes like a jet-engined dragster - meet Volvo's triple boost specific output champion



Jealousy is a powerful emotional force for car companies, like the rest of us. Especially, it seems clear, when it comes to specific output.

It's two years since Mercedes introduced the A45 AMG, with 180hp per litre of swept capacity. Then, last year, Volkswagen raised the bar by showing - although not yet producing - a 400hp version of the 'EA888' turbocharged 2.0 litre four-pot. At which point, Volvo's senior powertrain engineers clearly thought "we'll have a bit of that."

Yes, this looks complicated
Yes, this looks complicated
Bringing us to Gothenburg, and the short, cresty track at the Volvo Experience Centre next to the company's vast Torslanda factory. We're here to drive a car that, apart from its decal-covered flanks and a natty set of Polestar alloys, looks like a rep-spec S60 saloon. Only this one is fitted with a 450hp 2.0-litre four-cylinder engine. That's 225hp/ litre.

Sorry, how much?
This mad franken-S60 exists for several reason. Firstly, as a rolling testbed for an ultra-powerful version of Volvo's modular four-cylinder engine, with two turbochargers and an electric supercharger working together to produce that eyebrow-stretching output. But it's also a bit of corporate willy waving, welcome proof that independent Volvo has both the appetite and the ability to take on the bigger boys. And although the official line is that this prototype is nothing more than a technology demonstrator, we've also got an impressive number of the company's senior engineers on hand to drop broad hints that something very similar might feature in the company's medium-term plans as a performance halo.

Why? Because Volvo is well on its way to phasing out all of its bigger engines. The V8 was quietly dropped a couple of years ago, and both five- and six-cylinder powerplants are close to retirement. By the end of 2017 every Volvo will have four (or fewer) cylinders, with a maximum capacity of 2.0 litres, from the boggo V40 to the range-topping 'T8' XC90. And every engine will be based on the same Drive-E architecture, which has enough commonality to allow petrol and diesel versions and motors with vastly different outputs to share common components.

Just in case you weren't aware!
Just in case you weren't aware!
80s chocolate bar
Bringing us to boost, and lots of it. Because while Volvo plans to increase the performance of its top-flight models with hybrid assistance, the company still sees a place for a high-output conventional engine. Cough, Polestar, cough. And hence this intriguing 'triple boost' version.

The S60 uses two Borg-Warner turbos plumbed in parallel, with one fed by the exhaust gases from cylinders one and four and the other spun by numbers two and three. The role of the 'leccy supercharger - which requires 48 volts and a very trick super capacitor power pack in the boot - is to help spool up the turbos to reduce lag sitting upstream of them on the induction side. At higher engine speeds the supercharger is bypassed and the turbos are left to work by themselves, each delivering up to 3.5bar of boost. To keep up, the fuelling side needs new high-flow injectors and twin fuel pumps. Peak power is claimed to be 450hp at 6,500rpm, accompanied by 369lb ft of torque which peaks at 6,000rpm, but with over 80 per cent available from just 2,000rpm.

To put that into some kind of crazy-mad Swedish perspective, that's almost exactly the same specific output that the Koenigsegg One:1 delivers (227hp/ litre) when forced to run on unleaded rather than its preferred brew of E85.

And here, very simply, is how it works
And here, very simply, is how it works
Swedish meat. Balls.
Driving impressions are going to be harvested from a few laps of the Torslanda track. A sighting lap, in what feels like a factory fresh Volvo 164 straight from the company's museum, reveals the circuit is pretty much all corner, with a series of lo-o-o-ng turns over crests stuck together by some very short straights. Oh, and the prototype is running on winter-spec Michelin Pilot Alpins, and both air and track temperatures are hovering around a bracing zero degrees.

The S60 is definitely a hard-working prototype rather than a pampered show star. The dashboard is full of warning lights, including one that tells us not to expect any help from the stability control, and there are several cool isolator switches including an emergency cut-off that looks like it could launch a Trident missile. The car has been circulating before we get our turn, and from the outside it's definitely loud, with a rorty, sometimes flatulent soundtrack that brings the Mercedes A45 to mind. Inside the cabin it feels barely quieter, with booming harmonics and low-frequency hum from the fruity exhaust.

But the new engine certainly delivers. Despite the promise of the supercharger it's not lag free; below 2,000rpm there's a distinct pause between pressing the throttle and feeling the boost arrive. But, once up and running, it pulls as hard as the numbers lead you to expect, and without any of the sensation of top-end tightness you often get from modern turbos. The track's longest straight is barely enough to see an indicated 130km/h - in blatant disregard to the posted 70km/h speed limit - but the rate at which the triple boost is still accelerating suggests that, if it found itself on that mythical derestricted Autobahn so popular with road testers, it would reach its 250km/h considerably faster than any other Volvo.

As prototypes go it promises a lot
As prototypes go it promises a lot
The prototype's gearbox is the weak link in the powertrain, Volvo's eight-speed auto struggling to keep up when either left to its own devices or under manual direction. And while we're being critical, although Polestar has apparently tweaked the prototype's chassis, it's been with limited effect.

On the Torslanda track it felt very much like a generic fast Volvo, with little sensation through the low geared steering and a predictable tendency to understeer in the long, slippery corners. It uses the same Haldex-based four-wheel drive system as other fast S60s, with this clearly set up to maximise outright grip rather than to do anything proactive to help you tighten a widening line. Or, in other words, a bit soulless, but very effective at going fast.

But it's the engine that's brought us here, there's plenty of time to tweak the gearbox and chassis of any production version - and the droning exhaust note. And, on first impressions, Volvo has pulled off a very neat trick. Any engine with this sort of specific power output should be boosty and laggy and borderline undriveable; yet the prototype feels as tractable and responsive as the old T6 or T5, just about twice as fast.

Forget the downsizing and the hybrids, Volvo might have a performance future after all.


VOLVO S60 DRIVE-E HIGH PERFORMANCE CONCEPT
Engine:
1,969cc, twin-turbo four-cyl with electric supercharger
Transmission: 8-speed auto, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 450@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 369@6,000rpm
0-62mph: N/A (current T6 5.9 seconds)
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: N/A (current T6 operates with a 'serving weight' of 1,570 kg - 1,766 kg)
MPG: N/A (current T6 44.1mpg)
CO2: N/A (current T6 149g/km)
Price: Only a prototype for now...





 

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griffdude

Original Poster:

1,823 posts

248 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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There you go Volvo, save some development costs-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Electric-Electrical-TURB...

Busso GTA

178 posts

126 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Would love a punt in this beasty

09dfearon

35 posts

117 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Who would buy this? 450bhp in a car that doesn't have any steering feel and doesn't handle well? Good job they are good in accidents!

Andrew[MG]

3,322 posts

198 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Have the v60 Polestar press car out at the moment and it's.......f'ing brilliant! Have not tried the s4 as a comparison but am looking forward to doing that soon.

One of the problems with these small capacity engines with big blowers is towing capacity. I've not seen how Volvo are planning to get round this yet.

Boobonman

5,651 posts

192 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Can we have a pic of the 164 you sighted in please?

csampo

236 posts

195 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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09dfearon said:
Who would buy this? 450bhp in a car that doesn't have any steering feel and doesn't handle well? Good job they are good in accidents!
The recent production Polestar was supposed to have pretty good feel and handling characteristics. This is clearly just an engine demonstrator and it sounds promising...

TimS2000

452 posts

207 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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I'm a fan of Volvo's and like the way they offer something different to the default German marques, but their plan on producing nothing larger than a 2.0 litre 4 pot is very depressing considering how characterful their 5 pot engines are. I suspect the majority of the market doesn't care, but the thought of a top spec XC90 or S80 with no more than that on offer isn't very appealing frown

dukebox9reg

1,570 posts

148 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Well with Audi working on electric chargers aswell on the diesel RS I'm sure this then will be the next big thing for the performance car.

Can sack variable vane turbos etc. Just stick a great big turbo on it and get recovered electricity to fill the gap and spin it up.

chuntington101

5,733 posts

236 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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csampo said:
09dfearon said:
Who would buy this? 450bhp in a car that doesn't have any steering feel and doesn't handle well? Good job they are good in accidents!
The recent production Polestar was supposed to have pretty good feel and handling characteristics. This is clearly just an engine demonstrator and it sounds promising...
its an engine mule for god sake! its not going to handle like its on rails. its just a test bed.

oversteerer

104 posts

161 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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If this technology is going to be used in the smaller sporty cars of the future, there should be exciting times ahead.

DottyMR2

478 posts

127 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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TimS2000 said:
I'm a fan of Volvo's and like the way they offer something different to the default German marques, but their plan on producing nothing larger than a 2.0 litre 4 pot is very depressing considering how characterful their 5 pot engines are. I suspect the majority of the market doesn't care, but the thought of a top spec XC90 or S80 with no more than that on offer isn't very appealing frown
I doubt there is any desire from Volvo to kill it. Much like BMW straight 6s and Merc V8s, the 5 pot was Volvos "thing". I doubt they'd kill it without good reason and its' likely EU emissions regs as they've killed enearly every great engine from the last 10 years in one way or another.

From the sounds of it, I don't think these new engines would have any problem lugging along an XC90, towing as highlighted above may be an issue though.
Thing is, most of the XC90 market and cars like that would never even notice the difference between the 6 pot and 4 pot with a turbo. A vast mojority of soft roaders never leave town or go above 40mph (40 in a 30 obviously) and are only used for school runs and trips to Tesco.
I don't think most of the yummy mummies will miss the extra couple hundred kg towing power of the 6 pot.

For me, this engine sounds great! I love a mad swedish car and this is pretty bonkers. I'd want mine with the entry spec bodywork and smallest steelies I could fit on to add to the sleeperness of it all.

Coming to a police force near you too!

Mike Duff

11 posts

116 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Boobonman said:
Can we have a pic of the 164 you sighted in please?
Certainly - here's the beast in question; straight from the museum and with something like 500km on the clock from new...


Gary C

12,392 posts

179 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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"It's not lag free,below 2,000rpm there's a distinct pause between pressing the throttle and feeling the boost arrive"

Would you expect it to build boost below 2k ? Or is the delay the time for the revs to build to the point where the engine is spinning fast enough to supply boost.

Is the electric supercharge programmed to supply boost fill in at rps when the turbos could provide boost but haven't spun up yet ? Or is it designed also to provide boost early before they are effective?

DM525i

76 posts

148 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Sounds complicated, I hope BMW don't try this trick, they'll never make it reliable. All those turbos and bits, there almost inevitably going to get it wrong.

Dynamo69

122 posts

190 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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I've driven the newly developed Polestar V60 & was mightily impressed. Volvo are well overdue in retailing a high powered motor to compete with the likes of Audis RS4 and RS6.

A 450 bhp engineered engine with matching suspension, steering and gearbox will be a welcome model to the Volvo range.

Imagine the success of a V70 Sport & XC90 Sport ... 'bring it on Volvo' !

keith2.2

1,100 posts

195 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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I find it very interesting how secretly or otherwise, most PHers seem to really root for Volvo. Is it the underdogishness? Is it the slightly left-field Scandi habit of being known for staid, safe, nicely designed and well built cars and the odd bonkers offering on the quiet?

Eitehr way - I do like an Ovlov.

Macadoodle

828 posts

133 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Andrew[MG] said:
Have the v60 Polestar press car out at the moment and it's.......f'ing brilliant! Have not tried the s4 as a comparison but am looking forward to doing that soon.

One of the problems with these small capacity engines with big blowers is towing capacity. I've not seen how Volvo are planning to get round this yet.
Forgive my ignorance, but why would this have a bearing on towing capacity? Do you mean the lower weight of the smaller engine results in a lower towing limit?

Escort Si-130

3,272 posts

180 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Don't see these being minicabs. The standard minicab these days is Toyota Prius for cars and Vauxhall Zafira for 7 seaters.

theboss

6,908 posts

219 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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DM525i said:
Sounds complicated, I hope BMW don't try this trick, they'll never make it reliable. All those turbos and bits, there almost inevitably going to get it wrong.
I think you'll find they've already devised a very similar technique for the N57S engine in the xM50d models

blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Tuners were getting 450 bhp out of road going 2.0 Cosworth engines 25 years ago, and Lancia had a smaller engine with a bigger output twincharger setup before then.

Edited by blade7 on Friday 5th December 18:55