RE: Raj Nair: PH Meets (briefly)

RE: Raj Nair: PH Meets (briefly)

Tuesday 13th January 2015

Raj Nair: PH Meets (briefly)

Ford's vice pres of Global Development on that incredible GT and why a V8 wasn't considered



At 9:30 in the morning on the first press day in Detroit, Ford had already stolen the show with the new GT. To the extent we heard a couple of hard-bitten journalists asking each other if there was any point hanging around to see anything else.

Nair brings experience of old GT to this car
Nair brings experience of old GT to this car
Details of motor show concepts tend to leak out ahead of time - either intentionally or accidentally - but we really did know nothing about the GT until it roared onto the stage of the Joe Lewis arena, and through the inevitable clouds of dry ice. We'd barely had a chance to take it all in before Ford CEO Mark Fields had flashed his million dollar smile and confirmed that it's being built, and we'll see it next year.

There then followed the sort of mad scramble you'd expect to see if a cash lorry overturned and starting leaking high-denomination banknotes on a windy day, with several hundred journos basically rushing the stage for a closer look. We can report that the official pictures don't really do the GT justice, especially the scale of the huge aero channels that are set into the rear flanks, bridged by backwards swept wing elements. Up close, it's stunning.

PH nabbed a quick word with Raj Nair, Ford's VP for product development, who confirmed that the GT is aimed squarely at the existing supercar hierarchy. "458 Speciale, McLaren 650S, Lamborghini Aventador - probably the first two being the priorities, but yes... If we're going to be in this segment it's a given that we're going to perform well," he says. "That's what we did before [with the GT], but the fundamental here was really to show innovation through performance, and to create a platform for that."

And you thought Ecoboost was 999cc Fiestas
And you thought Ecoboost was 999cc Fiestas
Nair confirms that the new GT was created around the Ecoboost V6 from first principles - the V8 was never considered. "We always wanted to showcase Ecoboost technology - not just horsepower, but efficiency. And not just fuel efficiency but horsepower per pound. That was more important than just putting any powertrain into it, the focus was always on showcasing the technology."

The GT's major aero has obviously been designed for high-speed work, which often signals a manufacturer targeting Nordschleife time. And while Nair was predictably reticent about quoting target laps, his eyes definitely lit up when we broached the subject.

"The track times at a lot of tracks are benchmarks, but you're right - the aerodynamics of this vehicle were born in the wind tunnel, it started there and went from there... all things you want to deliver lap times."

Mustang year gone; bring on Le Mans 50th!
Mustang year gone; bring on Le Mans 50th!
We'll have to wait and see how quick it turns out to be, although the combination of the relatively light V6 engine and mostly carbon construction suggests the power-to-weight ratio will be even healthier than the quoted 600hp output initially sounds. So will it be quicker than a Ferrari 458 Speciale?

"It's too early to talk about lap times or numbers," Nair says, "but we have very high aspirations for the vehicle. Very high."

It's fair to say that, even on the briefest acquaintance, we do too.

 

   
   
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Chim

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7,259 posts

177 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I really like this, be interesting to see the stats and the price, suspect it will be in the 200k territory though

MrBarry123

6,027 posts

121 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Chim said:
I really like this, be interesting to see the stats and the price, suspect it will be in the 200k territory though
Yep. Shame they can't do a mini version for around the £50k mark. frown

Cie

18,782 posts

193 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I really like that... looks awesome.

pistondan77

3 posts

111 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Always did like a Ford V6, ST220 included.

aarondbs

845 posts

146 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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anonymous said:
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Tell us more of this V8!! On the subject of the GT though I'm genuinely thrilled and I dont know why. The last GT I would have in an instant for lots of reasons including some bizarre reverse snobbery I suffer from in that its not a Ferrari etc.



vanschpunk

143 posts

212 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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People are missing a very vital point of this new Ford GT's spec. Ford claim it has "one of the best power to weight ratios out there".

The previous Ford GT was steel bodied and had a steel chassis, with a 5.4L Supercharged V8, all in which weighed 1500kgs. It still done 200mph+

This new GT is carbon tubbed, carbon bodied, with ally subframes etc. Its a 3.5L V6 TT and going by the prima comment, whats to say it isnt sub 1000kgs???

People seem to also forget that an earlier type of this 3.5L V6 TT engine was tested in a prototype racer to take on the Daytona Raceway Top Speed Record, back in Oct 2013 (in which the previous record was held for 26yrs by a V8 Thunderbird at 210.36mph) and the top speed of this Ecoboost V6TT Racer, was 222.97mph!!! Whats to say this GT isnt aerodynamically similar or better than that racer, or whats to say this new GT was similar or lighter in weight???

This GT is a sucessor to the previous ones. Not a follow on. Some people need to let go if the past, and move on!!

Arcnewal

110 posts

148 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I like it, just watched a video of it on YouTube as well and it doesn't sound too bad.

Arcnewal

110 posts

148 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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I like it, just watched a video of it on YouTube as well and it doesn't sound too bad.

GroundEffect

13,836 posts

156 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Group Vice President.

Get the rank correct!

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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vanschpunk said:
and going by the prima comment, whats to say it isnt sub 1000kgs???
It isn't going to be anywhere near sub 1 tonne. sorry.


Bear in mind an v6 Exige is 1176kg, and that has no turbo's or hefty DSG transmission and is physically a much smaller car. Sure it doesn't use a CF tub, but as the ally tub only weighs around 75kg even not fitting a chassis still doesn't get you down to 1 tonne. I'm mean, an exige V6 cupR, which is tiny and has no luxury feature content what so ever weighs 1040kg!

boxerTen

501 posts

204 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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anonymous said:
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Perhaps they'll offer a V8 later? I'm sure there would be plenty of takers for it.

vanschpunk

143 posts

212 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Max_Torque said:
It isn't going to be anywhere near sub 1 tonne. sorry.


Bear in mind an v6 Exige is 1176kg, and that has no turbo's or hefty DSG transmission and is physically a much smaller car. Sure it doesn't use a CF tub, but as the ally tub only weighs around 75kg even not fitting a chassis still doesn't get you down to 1 tonne. I'm mean, an exige V6 cupR, which is tiny and has no luxury feature content what so ever weighs 1040kg!
I know what you are saying mate and you are probably 99% correct.

But the emphasis of this new GT having "one of the best power to weight ratios out there", with it carrying a 600bhp+ power figure and for it to be around supercar power to weight ratio, it would need to be at least 500bhp per tonne.

Which is why i have a feeling it will be nearer the 1000kgs mark, opposed to the McLaren 650s 1300kg-ish mark!! It certainly wont be as lardy as the old GTs 1500kgs thats for sure.

On a side note, i wonder if they would be reserving a V8 version of a GT-esque hypercar for a later date, to go to head with the P1/918/LaFerrari/One:1 etc. biggrin

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Porsche will be watching with interest, for they perhaps have the most to lose from a competent US homegrown sports/supercar.

pagani1

683 posts

202 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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This will cause some concern at GM for the top of the pile Corvette and will also cause Fiorano and Stuttgart to miss a beat.
Unfortunately Clarkson will go batting on about it and most of us put him in the uncool section, but hey we don't need to worry about it coming here for years or in RHD either as we don't exist according to Detroit's marketing departments.
It does look good, and I hope it does well enough to eventually make it as a right hooker too. Perhaps Ford have forgotten without the GB input the GT40 would never have been born.

jmcc500

644 posts

218 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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anonymous said:
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This is oft-repeated and I am interested to know how you come to this conclusion. I have only driven the original 12C, though my time in that probable totalled a few thousand kilometres on road and track in Europe and the U.S., and it was the most engaging and exciting car I have driven. Admittedly my personal benchmarks of note are a few rungs down (Esprit Turbo, 968 Club Sport, Cayman S), but I am constantly surprised by the denigration of the 12C. Is it based on what journo's write? Or personal experience vs the competition?

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

236 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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does anyone know the gearbox it is using ?

jmcc500

644 posts

218 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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anonymous said:
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Only mentioned the 12C as I haven't had the opportunity to drive the 650S, but I'd imagine it the 650S would be bette than the 12C! I can see that the 458 engine would get the nod, and that was what my colleagues (who drove both) felt at the time, but that (to me) doesn't make the McLaren dull or unengaging in absolute terms - only relative to that benchmark. I think I like to have a "sense of connection" too - and I didn't feel that was missing particularly - maybe I am misremembering!

I guess maybe I didn't push it hard enough, unfortunately there would have been little excuse had things gone wrong so was always slightly cautious behind the wheel. Still seemed a phenomenal machine to me, and as a passenger with one of the McLaren development drivers it *seemed* pretty good at/over the limit!!

Must get me a go in an R8... :-)

ETA: just noticed we both drive RY55... Cayman S's - how do you rate that on the excitement/engagement/connection front? I quite like mine so far!

Edited by jmcc500 on Monday 12th January 22:54

vanschpunk

143 posts

212 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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Non car related, but to follow on an aspect of your quote, the Airbus A380 may have hype of being an engineering marvel!!

But the reality is, its a works politics project, that is infact a massive failure!!! And will have to be closely monitored its entire certified life and once the current orders are met (hasnt been a concrete order for one since early 2013), the whole production will cease!!!

Carry on...

Sampaio

377 posts

138 months

Monday 12th January 2015
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anonymous said:
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You know what really grinds my gears? People who call McLarens "Maccas"

fatboy18

18,947 posts

211 months

Tuesday 13th January 2015
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WTF .... No V8! shout Stick a V10 in then wink

V bloody 6 thats just not right! nono Thats like having Apple pie and Custard then not getting the Custard, The Horror! Were Doomed I tell yer, Were Doomed cry