RE: Peugeot 306 Rallye: PH Carpool

RE: Peugeot 306 Rallye: PH Carpool

Monday 19th January 2015

Peugeot 306 Rallye: PH Carpool

Look away Matt, someone's rather enjoying their 306 Rallye



Name: Dion Price
Car: Peugeot 306 Rallye
Owned since: January 2013
Previously owned: Currently: BMW E60 M5, BMW E86 Z4 M Coupe (one of 18 made in Alpine White), BMW E46 M3 Convertible. Previously: M3s, Boxsters, BMW 328Ci, Mini Cooper (original), Renault 19 16v, Vauxhall Corsa (2.0-litre 16v transplant)

Pure as the driven snow and all that
Pure as the driven snow and all that
Why I bought it:
"My older brother had a silver 306 GTI-6 when they were new and that car was simply fantastic. The 306 Rallye has always been the reference point over the years as being the ultimate front-wheel drive car so when I was in the market for a bit of a play car/track toy it was the obvious choice. Of all the hot hatches I have driven and owned over the years the 306 Rallye is by far and away the best handling FWD machine I have experienced, in the dry at least!"

What I wish I'd known:
"The Rallye didn't take much researching for me as I was already well aware of its reputation and there had been a standard version in the family before. The shape of the car has dated well but the famously schizophrenic French electronics have not! The fact that the Rallye has had much of its electronics removed (air-con, windows, etc) versus the GTI-6 is only a blessing in my eyes as sooner or later they will, and do, go wrong.

"When the electronic gremlins appear they often have a sense of humour about it though and don't simply stop working. The rear wiper on my car, for example, is basically possessed as it randomly activates when the mood takes it. This can mean it swishes around like an over-excited Labrador's tail when it hasn't rained for weeks or simply remains dormant in a thunderstorm regardless of any furious button twiddling by the driver."

Great condition but it gets used properly too
Great condition but it gets used properly too
Things I love:
"It's a time machine! You can't help but feel like a teenage hooligan again every time you get in the car. It is so basic and raw it really allows you to get right back to roots of a pure driving experience. I'm sure that 'feeling' is talked about a lot in car manufacturer marketing meetings these days but you really don't have to look far to find the real deal in a Rallye.

"The car's handling is fantastic in the dry and now that I have had it on track a few times I know how to pull it back from beyond its limits without it all ending in a ball of flame. It's beautifully balanced and progressive, allowing you to drop in some fantastic lap times against much more modern, not to mention powerful, machinery."

Things I hate:
"Other than the dodgy electronics the wet weather handling is lethal if you are not totally switched on at all times. I own three BMW M cars and the Rallye's rear has stepped out on me more times than all of the M cars combined, and with a lot less notice. This is fun to master on track but when I am tooling along to the train station at 7am, these unexpected little surprises wake you up faster than a triple espresso!"

A proper purist's hot hatch this one
A proper purist's hot hatch this one
Costs:
"The Rallye is cheap as chips to run! Insurance is reasonable, fuel economy hovers around 35mpg as long as you are not hooning around too much and, as it is so light, the car doesn't consume brakes and tyres anywhere near as fast as a normal car even when being tracked four or five times a year. The wonderfully named Curb Side Autos looks after the Rallye mechanically and also cosmetically. I have had all four wheels dipped and refurbished and the driver's seat bolster re-covered of late and the car looks all the better for it."

Where I've been:
"In addition to a few track days here and there, all of which have been great, the car also doubles up as train station car park conveyance and general runabout. As much as I try, I seem to drive it the most out of all of my cars, especially in the winter. The car is simply way too much fun to keep it just for track days, even when tooling back and forth to work its fantastic. When picking which car to drive I find my hand uncontrollably gravitating towards the simple outline of the Peugeot key."

What next?
"Even though they hardly ever come up in the classifieds now (and have increased in value as such) I won't be selling it. There is simply nothing else that even comes close for money. Other than sorting the comedy rear wiper and putting some new tyres on it this year, it doesn't need anything else doing to it, and that is the beauty of the Rallye, its success comes from what it has had removed so it does seem a little foolish to start bolting stuff on to it!"


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Limpet

Original Poster:

6,309 posts

161 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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XSi, Rallye and GTI-6 are all brilliant handling cars. I got really annoyed when the motoring journos of the time kept saying the Focus mk1 had usurped the 306 as class handling benchmark. It hadn't. The Focus was good, but wasn't as good as the Pug.

I have never driven another FWD car where both ends of the car felt so involved in the proceedings. The rear didn't dumbly follow, it could be used to trim the line, or even steer the car completely and you didn't need to be a powerfully built driving God to do it.

Great cars.

Edited by Limpet on Monday 19th January 09:17

billy939

375 posts

144 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I turned down an opportunity to own a good condition red 306 Rallye a few years ago for only £1000. I can't see that chance coming up again and I regret it hugely. Still definitely on the list to drive at some point!

CampDavid

9,145 posts

198 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I bought my Rallye, V624GRV in 2004 with 29k on it. I wish I still had it

Come back V624 GRV!

r11co

6,244 posts

230 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Fast Peugeots and Citroens are only just recovering from the ditching of the transverse torsion bar rear suspension (presumably on cost grounds). Low centre of gravity, no need for rear turret bracing as there were no suspension turrets and more load space to boot. What was not to like?

I remember driving a VX Corsa GSi and a lowly 1.1 litre Pug 106 back-to-back in the late '90's and noticing instantly that the Pug was an infintely better handler and road-holder.

These cars deserve to be treasured and used.

graememac

575 posts

204 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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CampDavid said:
I bought my Rallye, V624GRV in 2004 with 29k on it. I wish I still had it

Come back V624 GRV!
I know what you mean. every time I see one of these on here I miss my old one T909ABF!

j_s14a

863 posts

178 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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"ultimate FWD car"

As much as I love the 306, it is a few places down that pecking order. Just off the top of my head, better driving FWD cars include:

DC2 Integra R
EG Civic R
Corrado VR6
fiat Coupe 20v Turbo
205 gti
106 Rallye
Clio 182 Cup
Xantia Activa

Hrimfaxi

1,036 posts

127 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Back to basics driving at it's best. I'd love to have a serious go in one of these - good stuff!

CampDavid

9,145 posts

198 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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j_s14a said:
"ultimate FWD car"

As much as I love the 306, it is a few places down that pecking order. Just off the top of my head, better driving FWD cars include:

DC2 Integra R
EG Civic R
Corrado VR6
fiat Coupe 20v Turbo
205 gti
106 Rallye
Clio 182 Cup
Xantia Activa
It's all a matter of opinion but I personally prefer the 306 to all of the above, though I've not had a bash in a Corrado. The Fiat Coupe was a decent car but laughable to suggest it was better than the 306. Teggy lacks a bit of feel for me.

Matt UK

17,698 posts

200 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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This and the 106 Rallye still look fabulous to my eyes!

graememac

575 posts

204 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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CampDavid said:
j_s14a said:
"ultimate FWD car"

As much as I love the 306, it is a few places down that pecking order. Just off the top of my head, better driving FWD cars include:

DC2 Integra R
EG Civic R
Corrado VR6
fiat Coupe 20v Turbo
205 gti
106 Rallye
Clio 182 Cup
Xantia Activa
It's all a matter of opinion but I personally prefer the 306 to all of the above, though I've not had a bash in a Corrado. The Fiat Coupe was a decent car but laughable to suggest it was better than the 306. Teggy lacks a bit of feel for me.
I found the Integra had feel but only when it was pushed although it was a much better engine than the 306. The 306 had much better steering feel all round though. is the last one on the list a joke??

iloveboost

1,531 posts

162 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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"Other than the dodgy electronics the wet weather handling is lethal if you are not totally switched on at all times. I own three BMW M cars and the Rallye's rear has stepped out on me more times than all of the M cars combined, and with a lot less notice. This is fun to master on track but when I am tooling along to the train station at 7am, these unexpected little surprises wake you up faster than a triple espresso!"

Anyone know why the handling balance changes with road grip?
I've always guessed it's because the load on the anti-roll bar/s changes?

CampDavid

9,145 posts

198 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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iloveboost said:
"Other than the dodgy electronics the wet weather handling is lethal if you are not totally switched on at all times. I own three BMW M cars and the Rallye's rear has stepped out on me more times than all of the M cars combined, and with a lot less notice. This is fun to master on track but when I am tooling along to the train station at 7am, these unexpected little surprises wake you up faster than a triple espresso!"

Anyone know why the handling balance changes with road grip?
I've always guessed it's because the load on the anti-roll bar/s changes?
Often the rear beam bearings will wear out which adds to the issue but otherwise it’s just a heavily front biased setup

Chris28190

2 posts

150 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I love these cars, you can just have so much fun in them. I've regretted selling mine the moment Matt drove away in it but hopefully in the near future I'm going to be on the lookout for a nice example but in white this time!

eliotrw

304 posts

169 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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j_s14a said:
"ultimate FWD car"

As much as I love the 306, it is a few places down that pecking order. Just off the top of my head, better driving FWD cars include:

DC2 Integra R
EG Civic R
Corrado VR6
fiat Coupe 20v Turbo
205 gti
106 Rallye
Clio 182 Cup
Xantia Activa
I can only conclude that you haven't driven a healthy one or indeed one of the sport models..
Its better handling than both a VR6 and Fiat Coupe (and xantia (wtf)) opinion aside.

DemonDriverDan

86 posts

150 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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As a bit of a Rallye nut, I can't recommend these enough. Fairly cheap and available, lots of simple upgrades to make improvements to how it drives.

The cherry red ones fade quite a lot though, something to watch out. Just don't buy 3 as I did! smile

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Monday 19th January 2015
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Chris28190 said:
I love these cars, you can just have so much fun in them. I've regretted selling mine the moment Matt drove away in it but hopefully in the near future I'm going to be on the lookout for a nice example but in white this time!
Just when I thought I couldn't feel any worse! Apologies again Chris. How are you getting on with the Fiesta?

chevronb37

6,471 posts

186 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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I had one as my daily driver for a couple of years. When I got a company car we couldn't bear to part with it so Mrs Chev has it as her daily now. We both adore it - just a brilliantly tactile and engaging hot hatch. Great power delivery, steering feel and agility. The speed it can cross challenging roads is ridiculous for something so inexpensive. The traction is mega and there is this constant, overwhelming urge to thrash it mercilesslly every time you sit behind the wheel.

Must confess, though, that I've never had the back end out at any stage. Obviously not driving it properly.

YellowCar

132 posts

122 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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"I own three BMW M cars...
...When picking which car to drive I find my hand uncontrollably gravitating towards the simple outline of the Peugeot key."

...an object lesson on how dull a new BMW is compared to something more old-school?

There are still a few modern cars with as much involvement at the 306, but few with so little compromise elsewhere in the package.

Chris28190

2 posts

150 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Matt Bird said:
Just when I thought I couldn't feel any worse! Apologies again Chris. How are you getting on with the Fiesta?
No need to apologise Matt. The Fiesta is great but the shine has been taken off a little since it got broken into and kids throwing stones at it causing £250 worth of damage! Great engine and excellent fuel consumption considering the bhp it has. Have you gone for another 306 since the Rallye?

wooooody

918 posts

237 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Found the Rallye I sold 9 years ago parked round the corner from the GF's flat recently, still a great looking car.

Have to confess, only lost the rear end in mine twice in 20k miles; once when I'd Eagle F1s from and old P6000s rear (quickly resolved) and once when I didn't dial in throttle on the way out of a roundabout going to work when I normally would. It did go nicely sideways a lot though. Rated it as a better real world B road tool than the Elise I replaced it with due to the compliance, flexible engine & wet handling.