RE: New Yamaha R1 - inside line

RE: New Yamaha R1 - inside line

Friday 6th February 2015

New Yamaha R1 - inside line

PH2 speaks to Hideki Fujiwara, the Project Leader behind the new YZF-R1 and YZF-R1M



Hideki Fujiwara has a long history with the YZF-R1 and was part of the design team who developed the original 1998 model. With Kunihiko Miwa as Project Leader, Fujiwara helped design the R1's engine, which was the first motorcycle motor to have a vertically stacked gearbox. For the 2004 'underseat pipe' update, Fujiwara was the Project Chief for the new 998cc motor and he also designed the 2009 cross-plane R1 motor. For the 2015 YZF-R1 and YZF-R1M he was promoted to overall Project Leader, the first time he has been given the task. He didn't rest on his laurels...

Fujiwara is commendably upfront about R1
Fujiwara is commendably upfront about R1
What were the design targets for the new R1?
"The new R1 was simply designed to be the fastest bike around a track. This is different to previous generations of the R1, which were more road targeted than track specific."

So why the change in focus?
"Riders have changed their habits, people are less likely to ride fast on the streets as speeding regulations are now stricter. To fully enjoy a sports bike you need to be on a circuit, so we designed the R1 to be at its very best on track."

Why did you totally redesign the cross-plane engine?
"Two reasons - the first was to release more power output and the other to reduce its weight. The new motor is 4kg lighter than the old engine and weighs only around 60kg in total."

So why give it a bigger bore and replace the bucket and shim valve system for rockers?
"The rev limit is far higher on the new engine and the rocker system reduces the weight under the valve's spring, which means more power and better reliability. The rev limit has increased by 1,000rpm and the power is up from 182hp to 200hp. The torque is also increase quite considerably thanks to the larger valves."

Cross-plane engine significantly redesigned
Cross-plane engine significantly redesigned
Traditionally the R1 was designed under the philosophy jinba ittai (the same 'horse and rider as one' ideology also namechecked by Mazda for the MX-5). Previously this was done through engineering techniques, however the new R1 appears to use electronics instead. Is this the new jinba ittai?
"Yes. I wanted to make the new R1 more compact while still retaining very good handling. However by shortening the R1's length stability became an issue and so to counteract this instability we used electronics."

Could you have built this R1 without electronics?
"Yes, but whether riders could enjoy it would have been a very different story. It would possibly have been a little too exciting..."

Is a greater reliance on electronic aids how sports bike development is going?
"Yes, generally speaking you can create something very aggressive and powerful and then control it with electronics."

More revs, more power, more fun
More revs, more power, more fun
Is there a limit to horsepower, is 200hp enough for a road motorcycle?
"In the current circumstances, for a road legal bike, I feel 200hp is enough."

How involved was the MotoGP team in the R1's development?
"We have an internal system at Yamaha where engineers move between projects to challenge themselves. Two of the R1's engineers worked for three years on the YZR-M1 MotoGP project, mainly on the chassis side of the bike's development."

So is the MotoGP influence mainly related to the chassis?
"No, it is pretty similarly divided between the chassis and engine."

How many years ago was the R1's electronics package being used in MotoGP?
"What is on the R1 is very close to what the YZR-M1 is currently using."

Rossi has had a hand in chassis tuning
Rossi has had a hand in chassis tuning
Why develop the YZF-R1M? Surely the YZF-R1 was enough?
"Two reasons - one is that I believe that adding electronic suspension and a carbon fairing makes the bike much closer to the M1 that the customer has dreamed of owning. Secondly, the R1M is aimed far more towards those skilled riders who really want to enjoy it on track and have the skills to push it to its limits."

The electronic suspension on the YZF-R1M isn't allowed in MotoGP, do you find it odd that this road bike is more advanced than your cutting edge racer?
"You are correct, it is higher spec than Valentino's M1! We have a very skilled test rider who is able to assess how good the suspension is and we asked him 'which would you rather have?' He said on a circuit the electronic suspension was better than standard suspension, so we fitted it!"

Speaking of test riders, how much input did Valentino Rossi really have into the R1's development?
"Far more than on previous R1 models. He rode an early prototype and demanded that we give it the same feeling he gets from his YZR-M1's front end! This advice really helped us. He said he wanted the bike's handling to have a certain feeling that we engineered into the chassis."

New R1 is aimed squarely at track usage
New R1 is aimed squarely at track usage
At the Milan show we have seen a new Ducati Panigale 1299, BMW S1000RR, Honda RC213V-S and Yamaha YZF-R1. After a dip in sales, do you see the age of the sports bike returning?
"I hope so! A big growth in sports bike sales will stimulate the global bike market. The role of a sports bike is to create excitement amongst riders and although they may not actually buy a sports bike, they will be inspired by them to walk into a showroom. Yamaha wants to be the one to stimulate the whole sports bike market!"

What does this mean for the YZF-R6? Are Supersport sales dead?
"It is very difficult for me to answer this... I can only say I hope the 600cc market follows the litre bike market's revival..."

 

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Discussion

Slickhillsy

Original Poster:

1,772 posts

143 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Just hope this thing is better to ride than it is to look at.... Fair play to Yamaha for pushing the design boundaries though. Think this will be a bit of a Marmite bike TBH, much like the Ducati 999.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

198 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Not sure that having VR dictate the feel of the bike is actually a good thing. Quick laps tend to come at the cost of user friendliness for us mere mortals. Still it will guarantee a steady supply of engines for the kit-car market.

McClure

2,173 posts

146 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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I liked the bit where the interviewer said the R1 is based on the same principles as the MX5. hehe

After reading rave test reviews of the 1299 and S1000RR this has to be quite a machine to compete. When are the first road tests due?

RemaL

24,973 posts

234 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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I was not sure on the looks when I first seen it but I now love the looks. And it's on the top of my list to test ride and if as good as I hope then it may be my next bike

Thrugglevalve

39 posts

141 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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I really like the looks. Good job on taking the fight to the S1000RR.... Looking forward to see how it does in BSB without the electronics as well as the Superstock class with the electronics.

scunnylad

1,720 posts

169 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Biker's Nemesis said:
I want one so bad it hurts
They are growing on me too,the only 2015 model I would be interesting in having.

Apart from the RSV4 which are awesome,put off those by issues already discussed on here

Jazoli

9,095 posts

250 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Biker's Nemesis said:
I want one so bad it hurts
Buy one then smile

Lincsblokey

3,175 posts

155 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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'The rev limit has increased by 1,000rpm and the power is up from 182hp to 200hp. The torque is also increase quite considerably thanks to the larger valves."

Woopy. 200bhp at the crank. Still miles behind a BMW or ZX10R

ZX10R & BMW bulit great bikes with stonking engines, then added decent electronics.

Yamaha have built an amazing electronics package and fitted it to an average engine.

RemaL

24,973 posts

234 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Lincsblokey said:
'The rev limit has increased by 1,000rpm and the power is up from 182hp to 200hp. The torque is also increase quite considerably thanks to the larger valves."

Woopy. 200bhp at the crank. Still miles behind a BMW or ZX10R
I don't care and why would others?

Does it matter if it's a little underpowered

If having the most powerful bike is important to you then great.

But my bike has more power than yours, Really ?

3DP

9,917 posts

234 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Be interesting to see the group tests - most exciting bike for me this year is the 1299.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

224 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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I'm really looking forward to seeing the reviews of this, it sounds like it's going to be up there as the bike to beat this year, the 1299 is beautiful but for out and out lap times and getting the most out of the bike I'm putting my money on this or the RSV4 coming out on top.

Freakuk

3,140 posts

151 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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In all honesty I couldn't care if it was the best bike in the world, I'm still struggling to understand how anyone in the R&D department at Yamaha actually think this bike looks good??? There's no way I would ever go into the garage and think wow, even after the NEC I couldn't believe just how pig ugly it is.

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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graphene said:
Thrugglevalve said:
I really like the looks. Good job on taking the fight to the S1000RR.... Looking forward to see how it does in BSB without the electronics as well as the Superstock class with the electronics.
It looks great. Most of the competitor bikes look like Yamaha designs from 10 years ago (excluding the S1000RR and the last generations of R1)
Are you going to add the zx10r and the ducati's onto that list?

The only bike you could levy that at would be the blade!

tight5

2,747 posts

159 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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RemaL

24,973 posts

234 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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tight5 said:
rofl

Yoda.

2,260 posts

248 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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RemaL said:
Lincsblokey said:
'The rev limit has increased by 1,000rpm and the power is up from 182hp to 200hp. The torque is also increase quite considerably thanks to the larger valves."

Woopy. 200bhp at the crank. Still miles behind a BMW or ZX10R
I don't care and why would others?

Does it matter if it's a little underpowered

If having the most powerful bike is important to you then great.

But my bike has more power than yours, Really ?
Yep. Remember, he is CastrolCraig in disguise! hehe


Edited by Yoda. on Friday 6th February 14:11

Ruttager

2,079 posts

192 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Freakuk said:
In all honesty I couldn't care if it was the best bike in the world, I'm still struggling to understand how anyone in the R&D department at Yamaha actually think this bike looks good??? There's no way I would ever go into the garage and think wow, even after the NEC I couldn't believe just how pig ugly it is.
I thought it looked fantastic and I really didn't think I would. The biggest disappointment for me at the NEC was the Honda stand.

RemaL

24,973 posts

234 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Yoda. said:
RemaL said:
Lincsblokey said:
'The rev limit has increased by 1,000rpm and the power is up from 182hp to 200hp. The torque is also increase quite considerably thanks to the larger valves."

Woopy. 200bhp at the crank. Still miles behind a BMW or ZX10R
I don't care and why would others?

Does it matter if it's a little underpowered

If having the most powerful bike is important to you then great.

But my bike has more power than yours, Really ?
Yep. Remember, he is CastrolCraig in disguise! hehe


Edited by Yoda. on Friday 6th February 14:11
I know I know that all very well BUT even the famous CC, if he can't use all the power on a less powered bike how can he use 200BHP

3DP

9,917 posts

234 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Yoda. said:
RemaL said:
Lincsblokey said:
'The rev limit has increased by 1,000rpm and the power is up from 182hp to 200hp. The torque is also increase quite considerably thanks to the larger valves."

Woopy. 200bhp at the crank. Still miles behind a BMW or ZX10R
I don't care and why would others?

Does it matter if it's a little underpowered

If having the most powerful bike is important to you then great.

But my bike has more power than yours, Really ?
Yep. Remember, he is CatrolCraig in disguise! hehe
I think the engine character will be very important. I would hope that Yamaha manage to out-RSV4 the RSV4, but at £15k for a bike that struggles aesthetically, it's going to have to be a good road bike to sell to anyone other than Yamaha junkies. After all, if you just want a ballistic, electronics fest, visually challenged 1000, you already have the ZX10R that's considerably cheaper.

I reckon the BM will be the one to beat and early reports read like they've engineered in some much needed character.

The 1299 and new RSV4 are the curve balls. The 1299 looks to have a good top end and given back the mid range it lost to the 1198, as well as being easier to ride, but an exciting year for the 1000s, however it falls!

bennyb24

168 posts

168 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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A few people have asked but lets try again - anyone have an idea when 1st ride is ? seems a long time to wait for the launch....