RE: SEAT Leon Cupra 280 ST: Driven

RE: SEAT Leon Cupra 280 ST: Driven

Monday 16th February 2015

SEAT Leon ST Cupra 280: Driven

Cupra wagon tested and a few laps in the elusive Performance Pack car too!



Given the considerable effort that has gone into driving the Leon Cupra around you know where, SEAT probably won't appreciate this opening gambit. However, it's a more likeable car as an estate. Sorry, ST. No, not that ST. The Leon Cupra wagon.

Quite a looker as estates go
Quite a looker as estates go
First off, the fairly subdued aesthetic of the hatchback works well on the estate. SEAT itself describes the Cupra wagon as 'the ideal Q-car' and where hot hatches are typically more overt (so the three-door SC looks a bit plain), fast estates are all about going under the radar. Therefore the discreet badges, exhausts and bumpers set just the right tone where perhaps they seem a bit tame on the regular Cupra. It's a good looking estate, certainly more visually appealing than the Focus ST. It's off to a good start. Leave the orange wheels though, please.

Furthermore, the hatch has that pesky Renault and the Civic Type R to now concern itself with amongst many other excellent cars for FWD hatch supremacy. The fast estate market is considerably smaller, the Ford being the Leon's main rival as well as the inevitable, apparently omnipresent Golf R. More on that in due course...

Comfort zone
Therefore the very fact it probably offers 95 per cent of the Cupra experience is something to celebrate rather than criticise. The fast estate is still something of a niche market and therefore to have something so dynamically close to the hatch with more practicality is something of a win-win. The seats fold down easily and everything.

This is the Performance Pack car. Yes, really
This is the Performance Pack car. Yes, really
On the road much that impresses about the three- and five-door Leon Cupras remains. The ride is composed regardless of the DCC damper setting, the engine is punchy and the manual gearbox slick, if perhaps a little light. As for the VAQ diff, it still delivers incredible traction out of bends even with really early throttle applications. For whatever reason though the ST didn't seem quite as efficient as the hatch at getting power down. There was just a touch of extra wheelspin and a mite more understeer detectable. Obviously it's hard to be conclusive without a back-to-back hatch and estate drive but there did appear very slight differences. There certainly won't be an awful lot quicker down a B-road however.

And then there's the Performance Pack car. SEAT was very sneaky and didn't actually tell anyone that the track Cupras were any different. It was only spotting the Brembo calipers while waiting in the queue that the penny dropped. The Pilot Sport Cup 2s are present too. And yes, it works. A lot.

Sneaky performance
The first three-lap stint is revealing to say the least. Turn-in and traction are just mighty, freakishly so. Drive it like the any other Cupra and the PP seems a little overtyred, just darting everywhere and not feeling that natural. The key is to actually be quite brutal with it, hurling it at corners because you know the Michelins will take it. The sidewalls feel quite stiff, giving absolute confidence that it will cling to the chosen line. Almost as soon as it's pitched in, you're back on the throttle because the diff has so much more to work with. The Leon is fairly wrenched out of the corner, tarmac vanishing underneath the wheels towards the next bend.

VAQ still works its magic very well
VAQ still works its magic very well
The brakes are an improvement too, with a more progressive feel through the pedal than standard. Outright stopping power feels better as well, though the rear can feel a little light when braking really hard. It's not wayward, merely a reminder that there's quite a bit of car and not a lot of weight behind you.

Oversteer? It's there with some provocation. Those tyres relinquish and regain grip fairly abruptly but the longish wheelbase means it doesn't feel snappy. Again, doing this in something so ostensibly practical only adds to the amusement. The Performance Pack may be fairly simple in its methods but there is no doubting its effectiveness.

Pick and mix
With a straight choice between the Cupra Leons, your correspondent's money would go on the estate. It's only £995 more, the dynamic differences are very, very slight and there's the fast estate cool factor. The issue that may well face it, as with the hatchback equivalent, is the VW Group alternatives. Want to go nearly as fast with even more subtlety for less cash? Skoda Octavia vRS. Then there's that damn Golf, wading in with the 4WD kudos and range-topping power. That's before the Ford Focus ST is mentioned...

Little in it compared to hatch on road
Little in it compared to hatch on road
The SEAT is more capable and arguably better looking but the Ford more enjoyable. Its slightly more relaxed gait and refreshing lack of configurability are quite endearing, even if it probably lacks the SEAT's outright pace. It's a very talented car, the Leon Cupra ST, but it faces some very good rivals as well. In the middle ground between the Octavia and Golf it may struggle for attention. It shouldn't but the possibility is there.

Essentially buyers of fast estates are currently spoilt for choice, with the Leon another fine addition to the segment. If its combination of talents appeals then you will not be disappointed. And with the Performance Pack there's the potential for endless track day fun. In an estate!

Circuit video here. SEAT's choice of music and edit. Stupid faces reporter's own.


SEAT LEON ST CUPRA 280
Engine:
1,984cc four-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive (6-speed DSG optional)
Power (hp): 280@5,700-6,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 258@1,750-5,600rpm
0-62mph: 6.1sec (6.0)
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,440kg (1,466kg)
MPG: 42.2mpg (NEDC claimed combined) (42.8)
CO2: 157g/km (154g/km)
Price: £28,505 (£29,860)

[Figures in brackets for DSG]






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Escort Si-130

Original Poster:

3,273 posts

181 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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I want to like this, but it just seems boring and reeks of VW group corporatism. Even down to the styling. I much prefer the SEAT's of the 1990's.

GTEYE

2,096 posts

211 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Looks good, but perhaps too close in cost terms now to the Golf R to risk investing £30k in a Seat.

I struggle as a bit with the Seat brand, it doesn't really offer anything different to a VW, isn't much cheaper, has lots less dealers, and tend to shed value quicker.


kambites

67,589 posts

222 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Looks nice enough in a rather Germanic sort of way.

Personally, I probably wouldn't pay the extra ~£5k over an Octavia VRS, but it doesn't seem objectively bad value for the extra power it offers.

Edited by kambites on Monday 16th February 13:52

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

149 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Perfect car for me with 2 young children so need the boot for a big double pushchair and all the gubbings, plus its still fun for me on the commute to work.

SWMBO wont let me get one though......garage conversion to a 2nd reception room it is then frown

CS400

145 posts

112 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Surely they could use the 4wd system off the Leon ST Experience and make the Cupra a even better rival for the Golf R...

gregf40

1,114 posts

117 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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CS400 said:
Surely they could use the 4wd system off the Leon ST Experience and make the Cupra a even better rival for the Golf R...
And steal sales from themselves?

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

149 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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gregf40 said:
CS400 said:
Surely they could use the 4wd system off the Leon ST Experience and make the Cupra a even better rival for the Golf R...
And steal sales from themselves?
I reckon they'll do like they have done in the past with the Cupra R. Leap frog the Golf with the Cupra R. 320-330bhp with 4wd. Leave it till near the end of the run most likely though to not affect the Golf R sales too much.

CS400

145 posts

112 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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gregf40 said:
CS400 said:
Surely they could use the 4wd system off the Leon ST Experience and make the Cupra a even better rival for the Golf R...
And steal sales from themselves?
I see your point but you could say that about a lot of the VAG range.
I was more thinking that it would be within the range of those that might not be able to afford (or might not want) a Golf but wanted a fast, awd estate car.
Or just put the same engine in the Experience, so it is not just a performance orientated awd estate car but just one with a bit of poke (and a bit more fun than the engines they are currently offering in the Experience).
In effect make sure they have got every bit of that part of the market covered.

CS400

145 posts

112 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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dukebox9reg said:
I reckon they'll do like they have done in the past with the Cupra R. Leap frog the Golf with the Cupra R. 320-330bhp with 4wd. Leave it till near the end of the run most likely though to not affect the Golf R sales too much.
Good point.

Ved

3,825 posts

176 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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With all these hot C segment estates you'd imagine Subaru would be in on the trend too.

clowesy

293 posts

122 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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I think I would take the Focus ST over one of these. As others have said the Seat doesn't seem to be priced aggressively enough to not choose the VW alternative once you factor in the steeper depreciation. Golf R has 4WD, more power, premium feel and badge (for those that give a toss). Focus ST is seemingly more fun and better value. Octavia VRS is bigger and very keenly priced. I'm sure it's a great car but I reckon if it were priced just a little bit better there'd be a lot more on the road. I've not seen a single Cupra on the road and I see loads of the others.

sad61t

1,100 posts

211 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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dukebox9reg said:
Perfect car for me with 2 young children so need the boot for a big double pushchair and all the gubbings, plus its still fun for me on the commute to work.

SWMBO wont let me get one though......garage conversion to a 2nd reception room it is then frown
Really, seriously, don't. I've been looking at a few houses recently, and all the garage conversions I have seen have been, quite frankly, rubbish. Worst offenders have not even bothered to level the floor, but somehow the typical garage size (20' by 8') makes a thin room, lit at one end and the aesthetics just don't work.

I'd much rather have the garage (but then I am on PH) and have stopped even looking at the details of anything with an obvious "here's the mismatching brickwork where we shovelled a cheap UPC window into the garage door space".

mrfunex

545 posts

175 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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What's that square gubbins under the front numberplate?

daydotz

1,742 posts

162 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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mrfunex said:
What's that square gubbins under the front numberplate?
Adaptive cruise & City braking

poing

8,743 posts

201 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Escort Si-130 said:
I want to like this, but it just seems boring and reeks of VW group corporatism. Even down to the styling. I much prefer the SEAT's of the 1990's.
I have to agree with this a bit. VAG have a great opportunity with SEAT to do something different, it's kind of in no mans land at the moment so doing something daring with the styling and even the engineering should be where SEAT are. VW for all the boring semi posh stuff, and Skoda for people saving a few pennies. I'd need to have a reason to buy this over one of it's family members and I'm just not seeing one here, and that makes me sad for SEAT.

Matt UK

17,729 posts

201 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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GTEYE said:
I struggle as a bit with the Seat brand
Agreed. I remember after the buying spree, VAG had the 4 sisters lined up to share a platform.

Seat was billed as the wild, sporting, daring one... can't say I've noticed it stand out for from the herd for these reasons.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

123 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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The couple of these Seat estates I've seen have both been very handsome, I doubt either were this hot version though. It's the first Seat I've really liked the look of for a while.

Edited by gigglebug on Tuesday 17th February 02:31

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

149 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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sad61t said:
dukebox9reg said:
Perfect car for me with 2 young children so need the boot for a big double pushchair and all the gubbings, plus its still fun for me on the commute to work.

SWMBO wont let me get one though......garage conversion to a 2nd reception room it is then frown
Really, seriously, don't. I've been looking at a few houses recently, and all the garage conversions I have seen have been, quite frankly, rubbish. Worst offenders have not even bothered to level the floor, but somehow the typical garage size (20' by 8') makes a thin room, lit at one end and the aesthetics just don't work.

I'd much rather have the garage (but then I am on PH) and have stopped even looking at the details of anything with an obvious "here's the mismatching brickwork where we shovelled a cheap UPC window into the garage door space".
Its mainly for a kids playroom so the living room is our own. When they are older they have their own space etc.

A friend of ours will be doing it who did the extension on our old house so I know to expect good work.

I can park about 5/6 cars on my drive so a garage is no use really (must get a new shed mind)

GrumpyTwig

3,354 posts

158 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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1:02 did the camera cut away just as sir got a little annoyed at the dsg gearbox? biggrin

SPD14

403 posts

157 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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I like it. Looks good, although I think it would need to be a bit cheaper to steal sales off the upcoming Golf R estate.